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Post by stevep on Mar 28, 2018 15:03:22 GMT
A map showing the countries at war - red v blues - within the first couple of weeks of the war. Each side will grow too. (edit: click and they get bigger, especially for the first one) Nice map, so it seems that one Warsaw Pact country is are also neutral in the war. Romania was already somewhat semi-detached from the WP so that might occur. Although if there's an actual invasion of the US with some success and most of NATO sitting out the conflict it could be that Ceausescu decided it would be too riskly not to support the Soviets. Although once nukes start to fly all bets are off anyway.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 28, 2018 15:21:25 GMT
Nice map, so it seems that one Warsaw Pact country is are also neutral in the war. Romania was already somewhat semi-detached from the WP so that might occur. Although if there's an actual invasion of the US with some success and most of NATO sitting out the conflict it could be that Ceausescu decided it would be too riskly not to support the Soviets. Although once nukes start to fly all bets are off anyway. I always toughed Ceausescu was a die-hard Soviet supporter, thanks for the info stevep.
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Post by James G on Mar 28, 2018 16:11:53 GMT
A map showing the countries at war - red v blues - within the first couple of weeks of the war. Each side will grow too. (edit: click and they get bigger, especially for the first one) James Did you mean to have Ireland in the war? Also not quite sure why Portugal was attacked? It has some potential useful bases for the allies but I would have thought attacking it and Norway would be more likely to drag the rest of European NATO is as that would pose a threat to them all. Can see Britain being attacked because of its strategic position and also the fact its likely to be helping the US and seeking to defend Belize. However not so certain about the other two. [Mind you with his behaviour so far Ireland might be the only European country favourable to Kennedy's government when the s**t hits the fan. ] Interesting that Paraguay ends up active as well but no one else in southern America other than Chile. On the question of the US and the 2nd Amendment I can see an increase in gun sales in the run up to the war and a lot of people trying to use them when the invasion comes. However as you say their going to be very vulnerable against regular forces, even when operated by basically 3rd world regimes and I fear the death toll with be very high. Which probably means when the US gets its act together retaliation will be harsh as well. In the East I see that China and Japan are drawn in, which will make for some uncomfortable bed-fellows and it probably also means Korea ends up united. Which could however be very costly for Seoul and its vicinity. PS Just seen Luke's post and as he points out it really needs NATO to be dead in the water because not only will it be in their self interest to support attacked allies in Europe but also its a treaty requirement. Europe is likely to stop destroying surplus food during the conflict because it will need it to feed its own people with imports of food and other stuff, like fertilizer cut off. However I would say this is more likely to make the continental powers especially and possibly even Britain, more determined to maintain the CAP as it will have shown its use. Especially if as likely the post-war world is pretty disorderly - to put it mildly I fear. Steve Steve. Ireland is purposely blue on that map. For each and every country there is a reason which I shall give including Chile, Paraguay and all the others. The only things which might change are Argentina and Papua New Guinea: I can't recall why I have the latter in. Korea will certainly be united! I hadn't really considered the food issue but that is now in my notes. It will be a long hard first winter for the UK with threats all around and trade disrupted. The Western European issue with NATO neutrality defining a new version of neutrality is something to be addressed, so too West Berlin stuffed full of US / UK troops but also neutral French soldiers and West German civilians. All of this including hope to explore / explain.
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Post by James G on Mar 28, 2018 16:14:32 GMT
Romania was already somewhat semi-detached from the WP so that might occur. Although if there's an actual invasion of the US with some success and most of NATO sitting out the conflict it could be that Ceausescu decided it would be too riskly not to support the Soviets. Although once nukes start to fly all bets are off anyway. I always toughed Ceausescu was a die-hard Soviet supporter, thanks for the info stevep . He was very independent minded but neither he nor Romania ever threatened to break away nor turn on Moscow. That kept Romania the special case it always was.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 28, 2018 16:19:34 GMT
I always toughed Ceausescu was a die-hard Soviet supporter, thanks for the info stevep . He was very independent minded but neither he nor Romania ever threatened to break away nor turn on Moscow. That kept Romania the special case it always was. So Ceausescu did a Tito on the Soviet Union.
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Post by James G on Mar 28, 2018 16:27:34 GMT
He was very independent minded but neither he nor Romania ever threatened to break away nor turn on Moscow. That kept Romania the special case it always was. So Ceausescu did a Tito on the Soviet Union. Unlike Tito, Ceausescu didn't ever threatened to send someone to kill Stalin or any other Soviet leader. Romania was just semi independent, less so than Yugoslavia, and there is a reason why it isn't involved in this war of mine. The Soviets won't want them either due to coming events across Eastern Europe in 1984 but more so, neutral Romania can also be useful in being neutral.
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Post by James G on Mar 28, 2018 18:36:29 GMT
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May 1983:
The Peso had been sent crashing to the floor. Then through it. Afterwards it was pushed down into the basement and to the foundations. The international markets didn’t give up. The pounding which Mexico’s currency took was extraordinary. For so long everyone had been willing to go along with the lie over what it was worth and the underpinning of that with Mexico’s supposedly good economic situation. That lie no longer held water. When Mexico was unable to defend the Peso, abruptly ceasing using foreign currency reserves, more of which it was supposed to have but seemingly didn’t, and that told the speculators everything. They were followed by anyone who had any Pesos not yet sold who decided that the only thing to do was to get rid of what they had and do it now. The foreign debt crisis got worse too. Those Western banks which said they would call in their debts kept their word and did so. We want our money back, please. Mexico didn’t have it to give. President García Paniagua tried to get other governments to stop their banks from doing this though with very little success made. That really wasn’t the source of the follow-up problem that came though. Those banks could demand all they wanted but there was no money to give. Mexico couldn’t get its hands on any money because the state’s money wasn’t there and then came the massive departure of private money from Mexico. Some capital flight had come at the end of April; most came at the beginning of May. Savers and investors pulled their money from Mexico’s banks before the government could use that money to save Mexico’s economy from the freefall it was in. The money went abroad… apart from the Pesos held by private individuals and companies who sold those dirt cheap and really fast only adding to the bonfire which was Mexico’s national currency. Hundreds of millions of foreign currency was transferred out of Mexico, starting first with a lot of stolen money held by those who didn’t want to face the questions which would come as to why it was there and not with the state where it belonged. Following that came the legally-held money. It went all over the world, anywhere but remaining in Mexico. At the last minute, far too late, and urged on from sources domestic and foreign, García Paniagua tried to stop that but to no avail. Only the very foolish left their money behind and there were few of those left after they had witnessed the events of the past few weeks.
Mexico’s stock market was bottomed-out. The Peso was useful only as toilet paper (well… that was how it was seen anyway). There was no money in the state treasury and the banks were empty of private money. García Paniagua had spent the past couple of weeks angry, distraught, raging at foreign conspiracies and in tears at his own ability to stop what happened. Despite all of that, life in Mexico continued. These events didn’t have an immediate effect upon ordinary Mexicans. The newspapers were full of the details though for most people, that was someone else’s problem. Currency speculation, currency overvaluation and capital flight were terms not terrible confusing but what it all meant for the ordinary Mexican wasn’t understood. They would find out soon enough. Mexico still had bills to pay. Those banks in the West with their demands were one thing but there were other things that the sate had to pay for from aboard. Domestically, there were bills to pay too. All that oil, loads of it, was still there and Mexico was ready to sell it and therefore those bills could be paid. That appeared to be a simple way out of the situation. But it really wasn’t that easy. The international markets didn’t work that way. Mexico was tainted at the moment. Some speculators cast envious eyes on what Mexico had to offer and pondered over whether there would be a fire sale. The oil industry might be up for grabs and other national assets too. It depended on whether García Paniagua was prepared to do that or try to figure another way out of this crisis. He was running out of time. He would have to make a decision on what to do with only terrible options. Default on all the country’s debts and face years of repercussions or have a fire sale where everything was up for grabs? Or… do nothing and hope for a miracle?
A lot of the capital flight went to Panama (some to stay, the rest to move on) and this especially came through the work of one particular bank to get private money – legally and illegally obtained – out of Mexico before the state could get its hands on it. That bank was BCCI, an international bank and quite the notorious outfit. BCCI specialised in ‘hot money’. It held accounts for criminals, drug traffickers, terrorists and intelligence organisations including both the CIA and the KGB: the latter had last year used money funneled through BCCI and then Stasi-controlled cut-outs to help fund the West German anti-nuclear movement. The bank asked few questions about the money from Mexican sources. When it all arrived in Panama, the money came into a country where General Noriega had just finished ‘cleaning house’. Torrijos’ demise had seen him afterwards secure his position. A puppet president was installed – a civilian fully under Noriega’s control – while behind the scenes, Noriega took out key supporters of Torrijos. Some vanished, others were murdered and more were arrested on trumped up charges. A hell of a lot of corruption was uncovered by the state’s officials and Panama acted like a responsible nation in arresting those who’d been committing financial crimes and stealing money belonging to the people (incoming Mexican money was untouched though). However, much of that got diverted in transit to BCCI accounts held by Noriega, some in Panama and others overseas.
El jefe – as Noriega was being referred to by others – was busy not just at home. He was looking at meddling further abroad than he had been before. The Cubans directly asked for nothing but they wanted his help. The American contacts of Noriega’s with the CIA came calling seeking his favour as well, just like they always did. Noriega would continue to play them both of against each other, just like he had always done. Torrijos’ dream of regaining the Canal Zone wasn’t one which Noriega had always been fully behind but as el jefe, he knew that his predecessor had got the people behind that. He would work towards carrying on with that where Torrijos left off for the sake of public opinion but at the same time still convinced by what Fidel had told him: the Americans would never give that up without a fight. That was a fight which Noriega was sure he’d lose, especially on his own and even if Panama had Cuba behind it. No, elsewhere would get his attention. He had interests and motivations in neighbouring countries. They would become those of Panama now Noriega led his country. The civil wars continued in their brutal fashion across El Salvador and Honduras: el jefe would become involved in them both.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 28, 2018 18:42:07 GMT
(88)May 1983: The Peso had been sent crashing to the floor. Then through it. Afterwards it was pushed down into the basement and to the foundations. The international markets didn’t give up. The pounding which Mexico’s currency took was extraordinary. For so long everyone had been willing to go along with the lie over what it was worth and the underpinning of that with Mexico’s supposedly good economic situation. That lie no longer held water. When Mexico was unable to defend the Peso, abruptly ceasing using foreign currency reserves, more of which it was supposed to have but seemingly didn’t, and that told the speculators everything. They were followed by anyone who had any Pesos not yet sold who decided that the only thing to do was to get rid of what they had and do it now. The foreign debt crisis got worse too. Those Western banks which said they would call in their debts kept their word and did so. We want our money back, please. Mexico didn’t have it to give. President García Paniagua tried to get other governments to stop their banks from doing this though with very little success made. That really wasn’t the source of the follow-up problem that came though. Those banks could demand all they wanted but there was no money to give. Mexico couldn’t get its hands on any money because the state’s money wasn’t there and then came the massive departure of private money from Mexico. Some capital flight had come at the end of April; most came at the beginning of May. Savers and investors pulled their money from Mexico’s banks before the government could use that money to save Mexico’s economy from the freefall it was in. The money went abroad… apart from the Pesos held by private individuals and companies who sold those dirt cheap and really fast only adding to the bonfire which was Mexico’s national currency. Hundreds of millions of foreign currency was transferred out of Mexico, starting first with a lot of stolen money held by those who didn’t want to face the questions which would come as to why it was there and not with the state where it belonged. Following that came the legally-held money. It went all over the world, anywhere but remaining in Mexico. At the last minute, far too late, and urged on from sources domestic and foreign, García Paniagua tried to stop that but to no avail. Only the very foolish left their money behind and there were few of those left after they had witnessed the events of the past few weeks. Mexico’s stock market was bottomed-out. The Peso was useful only as toilet paper (well… that was how it was seen anyway). There was no money in the state treasury and the banks were empty of private money. García Paniagua had spent the past couple of weeks angry, distraught, raging at foreign conspiracies and in tears at his own ability to stop what happened. Despite all of that, life in Mexico continued. These events didn’t have an immediate effect upon ordinary Mexicans. The newspapers were full of the details though for most people, that was someone else’s problem. Currency speculation, currency overvaluation and capital flight were terms not terrible confusing but what it all meant for the ordinary Mexican wasn’t understood. They would find out soon enough. Mexico still had bills to pay. Those banks in the West with their demands were one thing but there were other things that the sate had to pay for from aboard. Domestically, there were bills to pay too. All that oil, loads of it, was still there and Mexico was ready to sell it and therefore those bills could be paid. That appeared to be a simple way out of the situation. But it really wasn’t that easy. The international markets didn’t work that way. Mexico was tainted at the moment. Some speculators cast envious eyes on what Mexico had to offer and pondered over whether there would be a fire sale. The oil industry might be up for grabs and other national assets too. It depended on whether García Paniagua was prepared to do that or try to figure another way out of this crisis. He was running out of time. He would have to make a decision on what to do with only terrible options. Default on all the country’s debts and face years of repercussions or have a fire sale where everything was up for grabs? Or… do nothing and hope for a miracle? A lot of the capital flight went to Panama (some to stay, the rest to move on) and this especially came through the work of one particular bank to get private money – legally and illegally obtained – out of Mexico before the state could get its hands on it. That bank was BCCI, an international bank and quite the notorious outfit. BCCI specialised in ‘hot money’. It held accounts for criminals, drug traffickers, terrorists and intelligence organisations including both the CIA and the KGB: the latter had last year used money funneled through BCCI and then Stasi-controlled cut-outs to help fund the West German anti-nuclear movement. The bank asked few questions about the money from Mexican sources. When it all arrived in Panama, the money came into a country where General Noriega had just finished ‘cleaning house’. Torrijos’ demise had seen him afterwards secure his position. A puppet president was installed – a civilian fully under Noriega’s control – while behind the scenes, Noriega took out key supporters of Torrijos. Some vanished, others were murdered and more were arrested on trumped up charges. A hell of a lot of corruption was uncovered by the state’s officials and Panama acted like a responsible nation in arresting those who’d been committing financial crimes and stealing money belonging to the people (incoming Mexican money was untouched though). However, much of that got diverted in transit to BCCI accounts held by Noriega, some in Panama and others overseas. El jefe – as Noriega was being referred to by others – was busy not just at home. He was looking at meddling further abroad than he had been before. The Cubans directly asked for nothing but they wanted his help. The American contacts of Noriega’s with the CIA came calling seeking his favour as well, just like they always did. Noriega would continue to play them both of against each other, just like he had always done. Torrijos’ dream of regaining the Canal Zone wasn’t one which Noriega had always been fully behind but as el jefe, he knew that his predecessor had got the people behind that. He would work towards carrying on with that where Torrijos left off for the sake of public opinion but at the same time still convinced by what Fidel had told him: the Americans would never give that up without a fight. That was a fight which Noriega was sure he’d lose, especially on his own and even if Panama had Cuba behind it. No, elsewhere would get his attention. He had interests and motivations in neighbouring countries. They would become those of Panama now Noriega led his country. The civil wars continued in their brutal fashion across El Salvador and Honduras: el jefe would become involved in them both. I can see Mexico going to look for help, and it is not going to be the United States i guess,
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Post by raunchel on Mar 28, 2018 18:44:07 GMT
I really don't envy the situation of the Mexican government, but they brought it onto themselves. They don't really have a lot of options. I think that they will be meeting some pretty outrageous demands, which will seriously anger the population, leading to a revolt and civil war.
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Post by James G on Mar 28, 2018 19:10:44 GMT
I can see Mexico going to look for help, and it is not going to be the United States i guess, I really don't envy the situation of the Mexican government, but they brought it onto themselves. They don't really have a lot of options. I think that they will be meeting some pretty outrageous demands, which will seriously anger the population, leading to a revolt and civil war. The situation I have here was done twice before though to a lesser effect. In 1976, a smaller-scale crisis happened and the country was bailed out with US help. In 1982, a medium-sized crisis (a repeat of '76) occurred and the US didn't help: that was under Ford and Reagan in RL. So Kennedy not helping here, when the US knows the root cause of this and that bailout money will be stolen, I think is reasonable. How events will play out is pretty much what Raunchel says. When that does, what will a lot - a lot - of Mexican people do? Go north.
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Post by stevep on Mar 28, 2018 19:23:59 GMT
Romania was already somewhat semi-detached from the WP so that might occur. Although if there's an actual invasion of the US with some success and most of NATO sitting out the conflict it could be that Ceausescu decided it would be too riskly not to support the Soviets. Although once nukes start to fly all bets are off anyway. I always toughed Ceausescu was a die-hard Soviet supporter, thanks for the info stevep . He was a die-hard dictator, and did actually die as a result when the rest of the Soviet empire fell but he often sought to carve a more independent path to Moscow. Never quite as far as Tito in Yugoslavia but there was doubt back in the 80's as to how willing he would be to support an attack by the Soviets in Europe. Damn - should have read following threads. ninjied by James.
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Post by James G on Mar 28, 2018 19:34:02 GMT
I always toughed Ceausescu was a die-hard Soviet supporter, thanks for the info stevep . He was a die-hard dictator, and did actually die as a result when the rest of the Soviet empire fell but he often sought to carve a more independent path to Moscow. Never quite as far as Tito in Yugoslavia but there was doubt back in the 80's as to how willing he would be to support an attack by the Soviets in Europe. Damn - should have read following threads. ninjied by James. I am not a ninja. I am too lazy for hi-jinks! My training starts soon though I might be busy writing... filled two pages back-&-front of my notepad today with ideas (when I was meant to be working) so loads to do.
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Post by stevep on Mar 28, 2018 19:36:52 GMT
James Did you mean to have Ireland in the war? Also not quite sure why Portugal was attacked? It has some potential useful bases for the allies but I would have thought attacking it and Norway would be more likely to drag the rest of European NATO is as that would pose a threat to them all. Can see Britain being attacked because of its strategic position and also the fact its likely to be helping the US and seeking to defend Belize. However not so certain about the other two. [Mind you with his behaviour so far Ireland might be the only European country favourable to Kennedy's government when the s**t hits the fan. ] Interesting that Paraguay ends up active as well but no one else in southern America other than Chile. On the question of the US and the 2nd Amendment I can see an increase in gun sales in the run up to the war and a lot of people trying to use them when the invasion comes. However as you say their going to be very vulnerable against regular forces, even when operated by basically 3rd world regimes and I fear the death toll with be very high. Which probably means when the US gets its act together retaliation will be harsh as well. In the East I see that China and Japan are drawn in, which will make for some uncomfortable bed-fellows and it probably also means Korea ends up united. Which could however be very costly for Seoul and its vicinity. PS Just seen Luke's post and as he points out it really needs NATO to be dead in the water because not only will it be in their self interest to support attacked allies in Europe but also its a treaty requirement. Europe is likely to stop destroying surplus food during the conflict because it will need it to feed its own people with imports of food and other stuff, like fertilizer cut off. However I would say this is more likely to make the continental powers especially and possibly even Britain, more determined to maintain the CAP as it will have shown its use. Especially if as likely the post-war world is pretty disorderly - to put it mildly I fear. Steve Steve. Ireland is purposely blue on that map. For each and every country there is a reason which I shall give including Chile, Paraguay and all the others. The only things which might change are Argentina and Papua New Guinea: I can't recall why I have the latter in. Korea will certainly be united! I hadn't really considered the food issue but that is now in my notes. It will be a long hard first winter for the UK with threats all around and trade disrupted. The Western European issue with NATO neutrality defining a new version of neutrality is something to be addressed, so too West Berlin stuffed full of US / UK troops but also neutral French soldiers and West German civilians. All of this including hope to explore / explain. James OK right. Looking with interest on how Ireland ends up losing its neutrality and what else to come. Depending on how long the war actually lasts the UK has the benefit of western Europe just across the Channel and if the Soviets are attacking from bases no nearer than the Baltic and Norway [and possibly Iceland] it should be possible to get some supplies in but as you say a lot of things are likely to get rather short. I think there are only fairly small and token garrisons in W Berlin and if the Soviets are determined to keep the bulk of NATO neutral its unlikely they would be attacked but the Soviets are likely to seek to make political capital out of it. Possibly more significant is what happens to the Anglo-American forces in western Europe once its realised there's not going to be a general attack on continental Europe. Especially with Britain under bombardment and the US under actual invasion I would expect that once that's realised they would seek to move those units out to help in the fighting war. This should be fairly easy in terms of the air units but probably more difficult for the ground units. Steve
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Post by lukedalton on Mar 28, 2018 19:50:45 GMT
Steve. Ireland is purposely blue on that map. For each and every country there is a reason which I shall give including Chile, Paraguay and all the others. The only things which might change are Argentina and Papua New Guinea: I can't recall why I have the latter in. Korea will certainly be united! I hadn't really considered the food issue but that is now in my notes. It will be a long hard first winter for the UK with threats all around and trade disrupted. The Western European issue with NATO neutrality defining a new version of neutrality is something to be addressed, so too West Berlin stuffed full of US / UK troops but also neutral French soldiers and West German civilians. All of this including hope to explore / explain. Taking in consideration that the Channel zone it's almost assured to be declared demilitarizated zone by France (and the rest of western europe) so to keep what remain of international trade flowing (and i doubt that the Soviet will openly dispute this once it's clear that the war will not brief) and that the EEC (or whatever organization will take her place) will try to send first in the UK all the surplus food available not internally consumed...things will be somewhat alleviated from this pow; but i still expect rationing and sufference. Berlin it's a big hot potato, the simplest way for the URSS and co to deal with that...it's ignore that, with the unspoken agreement that if you stay on your side and don't try anything stupid you will be left alone, and deal with the mess once North America is conquered. There is the possibility that Moscow will try a diplomatic coup using the old Adenauer proposal aka Thuringia, part of Saxony and of Mackeburg-Western Pomerania for Berlin, evacuation of the city from civilian and military alike will be probably added to the proposal. East Germany can ironically be compensated with a little of Polish territory as punishment for the controrevolutionary attempt For the rest of NATO neutrality, well or the organization collapse a little before the war; maybe Kennedy react very strongly at Mexico becoming red, with both starting redeploying troops from WE to the continental USA...without consulting his allies, very overeacting at the green asking the removal of nuclear weapons and strongly demanding that they cut off they support to the siberian pipe and other economic economic collaboration with the URSS and his allies; making this the straw that broke the camel as relations are not good at the moment. Otherwise the only thing that come in my mind it's that during a tense reunion between the european nations, the italian delegate in exasperation propose to mantain a state of 'Non-belligerancy' like Mussolini...and everyone agree while him try to explain that he was only joking
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Post by James G on Mar 28, 2018 22:53:52 GMT
James OK right. Looking with interest on how Ireland ends up losing its neutrality and what else to come. Depending on how long the war actually lasts the UK has the benefit of western Europe just across the Channel and if the Soviets are attacking from bases no nearer than the Baltic and Norway [and possibly Iceland] it should be possible to get some supplies in but as you say a lot of things are likely to get rather short. I think there are only fairly small and token garrisons in W Berlin and if the Soviets are determined to keep the bulk of NATO neutral its unlikely they would be attacked but the Soviets are likely to seek to make political capital out of it. Possibly more significant is what happens to the Anglo-American forces in western Europe once its realised there's not going to be a general attack on continental Europe. Especially with Britain under bombardment and the US under actual invasion I would expect that once that's realised they would seek to move those units out to help in the fighting war. This should be fairly easy in terms of the air units but probably more difficult for the ground units. Steve I have a simple plan for Ireland and while they will not want a war, they will be forced into one in the days and weeks once it starts. War length is something I am not sure on but it isn't short. The UK will have threats from occupied Ireland, fighting to do in Norway where the Soviets will have bases, the Baltic Exits / North Sea issue and a Med. issue. There will be Soviet activity elsewhere as well this side of the North Atlantic: Lajes Field. Soviet subs and aircraft rather than big surface ships will cause Britain so much trouble and the US/Canada will be busy on their side of the ocean. My thinking on West Berlin is that being the initial plan, sort of, but things will get complicated. The garrisons are small and France plus Bonn will stop a seizure. Western Europe will be in chaos with the war elsewhere but affecting them still. Taking in consideration that the Channel zone it's almost assured to be declared demilitarizated zone by France (and the rest of western europe) so to keep what remain of international trade flowing (and i doubt that the Soviet will openly dispute this once it's clear that the war will not brief) and that the EEC (or whatever organization will take her place) will try to send first in the UK all the surplus food available not internally consumed...things will be somewhat alleviated from this pow; but i still expect rationing and sufference. Berlin it's a big hot potato, the simplest way for the URSS and co to deal with that...it's ignore that, with the unspoken agreement that if you stay on your side and don't try anything stupid you will be left alone, and deal with the mess once North America is conquered. There is the possibility that Moscow will try a diplomatic coup using the old Adenauer proposal aka Thuringia, part of Saxony and of Mackeburg-Western Pomerania for Berlin, evacuation of the city from civilian and military alike will be probably added to the proposal. East Germany can ironically be compensated with a little of Polish territory as punishment for the controrevolutionary attempt For the rest of NATO neutrality, well or the organization collapse a little before the war; maybe Kennedy react very strongly at Mexico becoming red, with both starting redeploying troops from WE to the continental USA...without consulting his allies, very overeacting at the green asking the removal of nuclear weapons and strongly demanding that they cut off they support to the siberian pipe and other economic economic collaboration with the URSS and his allies; making this the straw that broke the camel as relations are not good at the moment. Otherwise the only thing that come in my mind it's that during a tense reunion between the european nations, the italian delegate in exasperation propose to mantain a state of 'Non-belligerancy' like Mussolini...and everyone agree while him try to explain that he was only joking I'm not sure yet on how that will all go with European waters. It needs more thinking. The Soviets will want to frighten but not have Western Europe fight them. The war is one of economics in the end and that will play into how they act, bluster aside. I have plans for the US reaction to Mexico affecting NATO but also confrontations brewing elsewhere in the world. Add in some 'events' and the plan is that with recent history, decisions are made for the here and now rather than the future. Things will change in the end. That map is only for the start, not the whole conflict.
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