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Post by insect on Jan 17, 2018 17:03:39 GMT
If Harrison had defeated Cleveland how mict his 2nd term had played out??
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Post by lordroel on Jan 17, 2018 17:07:25 GMT
If Harrison had defeated Cleveland how mict his 2nd term had played out?? Wait is this the president who died of pneumonia just 31 days into his term, thereby serving the shortest tenure in United States presidential history. |
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Post by stevep on Jan 17, 2018 17:44:26 GMT
If Harrison had defeated Cleveland how mict his 2nd term had played out?? Wait is this the president who died of pneumonia just 31 days into his term, thereby serving the shortest tenure in United States presidential history. That caused me some confusion as well but no this was his grandfather. Henry Harrison was President in 1841 and his grandson Benjamin in 1889-1893. President_Harrison for more details on the pair of them. |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 17, 2018 17:50:25 GMT
Wait is this the president who died of pneumonia just 31 days into his term, thereby serving the shortest tenure in United States presidential history. That caused me some confusion as well but no this was his grandfather. Henry Harrison was President in 1841 and his grandson Benjamin in 1889-1893. President_Harrison for more details on the pair of them. So this is the president who succeeded Grover Cleveland and was defeated by Grover Cleveland during his reelection campaign. |
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Post by spanishspy on Jan 20, 2018 7:56:00 GMT
That caused me some confusion as well but no this was his grandfather. Henry Harrison was President in 1841 and his grandson Benjamin in 1889-1893. President_Harrison for more details on the pair of them. So this is the president who succeeded Grover Cleveland and was defeated by Grover Cleveland during his reelection campaign. Yes, I'm reasonably sure he means Benjamin Harrison |
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Post by insect on Jan 21, 2018 0:18:28 GMT
I meant Benjamin Harrison.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 13:59:57 GMT
A slightly better US Navy at least. They'd probably build more battleships than just the Iowa.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 22, 2018 14:05:38 GMT
A slightly better US Navy at least. They'd probably build more battleships than just the Iowa. Benjamin Harrison was the 23rd President of the United States from 1889 to 1893 in OTL, doubt he is going to build more battleschips. |
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Post by futurist on Apr 21, 2018 19:15:00 GMT
For one, he'd get blamed for the Panic of 1893--thus very likely resulting in a Democratic landslide in 1896. Of course, the interesting question is whether the Panic of 1893 would have still strengthened the Silverites within the Democratic Party in this TL. I think that Yes, it would have because the public would have been looking for economic relief and the Silverites could offer farmers a way out of their debts by creating a lot of inflation by implementing a silver standard for our currency. (Let's hope that I am not getting any of my information here mixed up.)
Also, this might mean that there is no Spanish-American War in this TL.
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Post by stevep on Apr 21, 2018 19:23:06 GMT
For one, he'd get blamed for the Panic of 1893--thus very likely resulting in a Democratic landslide in 1896. Of course, the interesting question is whether the Panic of 1893 would have still strengthened the Silverites within the Democratic Party in this TL. I think that Yes, it would have because the public would have been looking for economic relief and the Silverites could offer farmers a way out of their debts by creating a lot of inflation by implementing a silver standard for our currency. (Let's hope that I am not getting any of my information here mixed up.) Also, this might mean that there is no Spanish-American War in this TL. That could have some big impacts. Even presuming the US still gets Hawaii which is probably likely, if they don't take the Philippines and the other Spanish possessions in the Pacific they will have less interest and influence in the E Asia region. Quite possibly Germany ends up buying the Philippines as I think they were moving towards such a purchase but if there is a WWI as OTL their likely to lose it to Japan. Although could be a lot of other options. This would also mean that although Spain's possession of Cuba is likely to end at some point Puerto Rico could stay outside US control as well. Not sure what impact a Democrat Presidency, probably under Bryant, in say 1896-1900 would have? If bi-metallism was pushed it would have winners and losers as you say but would make the US something of an oddity I think in the developed world as most were firmly attached to the gold standard. |
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Post by futurist on Apr 21, 2018 19:52:49 GMT
For one, he'd get blamed for the Panic of 1893--thus very likely resulting in a Democratic landslide in 1896. Of course, the interesting question is whether the Panic of 1893 would have still strengthened the Silverites within the Democratic Party in this TL. I think that Yes, it would have because the public would have been looking for economic relief and the Silverites could offer farmers a way out of their debts by creating a lot of inflation by implementing a silver standard for our currency. (Let's hope that I am not getting any of my information here mixed up.) Also, this might mean that there is no Spanish-American War in this TL. That could have some big impacts. Even presuming the US still gets Hawaii which is probably likely, if they don't take the Philippines and the other Spanish possessions in the Pacific they will have less interest and influence in the E Asia region. Quite possibly Germany ends up buying the Philippines as I think they were moving towards such a purchase but if there is a WWI as OTL their likely to lose it to Japan. Although could be a lot of other options. This would also mean that although Spain's possession of Cuba is likely to end at some point Puerto Rico could stay outside US control as well. Not sure what impact a Democrat Presidency, probably under Bryant, in say 1896-1900 would have? If bi-metallism was pushed it would have winners and losers as you say but would make the US something of an oddity I think in the developed world as most were firmly attached to the gold standard. First of all, it's Bryan, not Bryant. As for your overall points here, Yes, the Hawaii annexation probably still occurs since Harrison tried to push it through at the end of his term in our TL but had this attempt blocked by Cleveland upon his return to the Presidency. In this TL, Harrison gets a second term and thus is probably able to push Hawaiian annexation through the U.S. Senate. As for the Philippines, Yes, I suspect that either Germany or Japan would acquire them. Indeed, if Germany doesn't acquire them before 1906, might a Japan which has emerged victorious in the Russo-Japanese War be willing to start a war with Spain over the Philippines? There's some interesting possibilities going on there. Of course, an important thing to note is that there might be no Pacific War in the 1940s in this TL since Japanese and U.S. interests would be less likely to clash with each other. As for Cuba, agreed that Cuba probably eventually becomes independent. As for Puerto Rico, I suspect that it could be to Spain what Reunion is to France--in other words, an overseas possession which remains under Spanish rule (albeit with autonomy) even today. Of course, in this TL, Puerto Rico might be significantly poorer due to the lack of economic ties to the U.S.; also, we certainly won't have Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor even if one completely ignores the butterfly effect. As for bimetallism, I honestly don't see it ending well. I mean, OK, farmers are going to be able to pay off their debts. However, what's next? Would massive long-term inflation be good for the U.S. economy? Somehow, I strongly doubt it. |
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