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Post by insect on Jan 16, 2018 22:06:24 GMT
How would the shape of the world if America was still a colony.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 17, 2018 4:50:01 GMT
How would the shape of the world if America was still a colony. The world of 2018 would be so different i do not know where to begin. |
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Post by stevep on Jan 17, 2018 15:40:51 GMT
I can't see it still being a colony now. Either an independent state(s) or a probably large part of a greater British state. However as Lordroel says the world would be vastly different. You might end up with something like the world of The_Two_Georges, although that is rather superficial in a number of ways. Like the way OTL people still turn up ~ 2 centuries after the POD. Or it could be a hell of a lot more chaotic and nasty depending on what's happened. |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 17, 2018 15:43:12 GMT
I can't see it still being a colony now. Either an independent state(s) or a probably large part of a greater British state. You see in many Alt books the name of British North America for a United Canada and 13 colonies, one of them would be the book by Harry Turtledove called The Two Georges. |
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Post by spanishspy on Jan 19, 2018 8:29:33 GMT
A dominion of the Empire comprising the territory of the OTL United States would dominate the Empire in a way that would render Britain second fiddle. This alternate America would be the heart of the Empire by the 20th century.
Other than that, who knows?
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Post by stevep on Jan 19, 2018 15:23:18 GMT
A dominion of the Empire comprising the territory of the OTL United States would dominate the Empire in a way that would render Britain second fiddle. This alternate America would be the heart of the Empire by the 20th century. Other than that, who knows? Very true. Even if it was split into smaller components their likely to form a grouping that easily outnumbers the European British. [At least unless one result of the butterflies is that European Britain includes much/most of western Europe at least - or India and/or China say are fully absorbed components of the 'empire'.] In this case you could have a British independence movement seeking to break away from rule by N America.  |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 19, 2018 15:28:17 GMT
In this case you could have a British independence movement seeking to break away from rule by N America. Well i doubt we will see British Rebels trowing away tea in the sea as their American counterparts did. |
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Post by stevep on Jan 19, 2018 15:37:56 GMT
In this case you could have a British independence movement seeking to break away from rule by N America. Well i doubt we will see British Rebels trowing away tea in the sea as their American counterparts did. More likely to be coffee probably, presumably that took root in N America, as that might be seen as a single of 'American' domination. |
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Post by spanishspy on Jan 20, 2018 7:58:53 GMT
Well i doubt we will see British Rebels trowing away tea in the sea as their American counterparts did. More likely to be coffee probably, presumably that took root in N America, as that might be seen as a single of 'American' domination. Possibly, for coffee grows well in the Western Hemisphere. It is worth noting that coffee took off in what would become the US after tea became seen as too British during the Revolution. |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 20, 2018 19:38:15 GMT
More likely to be coffee probably, presumably that took root in N America, as that might be seen as a single of 'American' domination. Possibly, for coffee grows well in the Western Hemisphere. It is worth noting that coffee took off in what would become the US after tea became seen as too British during the Revolution. Would we still have a French Revolution if the American Revolution fails. |
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Post by spanishspy on Jan 21, 2018 5:18:15 GMT
Possibly, for coffee grows well in the Western Hemisphere. It is worth noting that coffee took off in what would become the US after tea became seen as too British during the Revolution. Would we still have a French Revolution if the American Revolution fails. Possibly. Even if the French lose they still spent a lot of money, weakening the state. If they don't intervene at all, though, it's a tossup. Discontent was still afoot, but it might be delayed. |
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Post by stevep on Jan 21, 2018 10:22:40 GMT
Would we still have a French Revolution if the American Revolution fails. Possibly. Even if the French lose they still spent a lot of money, weakening the state. If they don't intervene at all, though, it's a tossup. Discontent was still afoot, but it might be delayed. Would agree. The ideas propagated by the rebels will still be circulating and some might find refuge in France, as Paine did OTL. [Which inadvertedly prehaps could be like the Germans sending Lenin to Russia in 1917!] Also if France still intervened the debt problem would definitely be serious while the state would have lost prestige for so much money and lives spent with no return. If they don't intervene, say the rebellion is settled, one way or another, very quickly, then their economic is less indebted but they still have serious fiscal problems. Suspect there will have to be some resolution at some point but it might not be violent if the government gets its act together or it might be repressed. |
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