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Post by patrick1978 on Jan 1, 2018 8:28:44 GMT
On March 30, 1867, the Russian Empire agreed to lease Alyaska to the United States for a period of 150 years. History plays out very similar to OTL until March 30, 2017 looms at which point the Russian Federation is due to regain full sovereignty over the State of Alaska.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 1, 2018 9:22:47 GMT
On March 30, 1867, the Russian Empire agreed to lease Alyaska to the United States for a period of 150 years. History plays out very similar to OTL until March 30, 2017 looms at which point the Russian Federation is due to regain full sovereignty over the State of Alaska. You think that the Soviet Union in the mean time does not want Alaska back. |
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Post by patrick1978 on Jan 1, 2018 9:30:45 GMT
On March 30, 1867, the Russian Empire agreed to lease Alyaska to the United States for a period of 150 years. History plays out very similar to OTL until March 30, 2017 looms at which point the Russian Federation is due to regain full sovereignty over the State of Alaska. You think that the Soviet Union in the mean time does not want Alaska back. The Soviets would probably seek a valid reason to retake Alaska prior to the end of the 150 Year Lease. |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 1, 2018 9:48:11 GMT
You think that the Soviet Union in the mean time does not want Alaska back. The Soviets would probably seek a valid reason to retake Alaska prior to the end of the 150 Year Lease. Do not think the Soviets will stay quit for that long. |
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Post by patrick1978 on Jan 1, 2018 12:20:21 GMT
The Soviets would probably seek a valid reason to retake Alaska prior to the end of the 150 Year Lease. Do not think the Soviets will stay quit for that long. Declaring Alaska a "State" would certainly give the Soviets a case against the U.S. |
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Post by stevep on Jan 1, 2018 18:54:41 GMT
The Soviets would probably seek a valid reason to retake Alaska prior to the end of the 150 Year Lease. Do not think the Soviets will stay quit for that long. Well in theory for most of the 40 years before 1998 China could have taken back Hong Kong by force so there is a presedent so to speak for the SU not to demand its return ahead of the lease ending. If there was such a lease and the US didn't take some opportunity to terminate it unilaterially how would Alaska be handled? Doubt they would be in a position to make it a state and especially as the deadline for return approaching you could see people seeking to move out rather than become Russian 'citizens'. Of course with Russia, let alone the USSR, having Alaska returned to it would raise security questions for both Canada and the US. As such I think if a lease had been agreed the US would almost certainly repudiate it and seize full control either after the 1917 Novemeber coup/1922 communist victory in the civil war or possibly make it a condition of receiving L-L in WWII. |
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Post by patrick1978 on Jan 1, 2018 19:59:08 GMT
Do not think the Soviets will stay quit for that long. Well in theory for most of the 40 years before 1998 China could have taken back Hong Kong by force so there is a presedent so to speak for the SU not to demand its return ahead of the lease ending. If there was such a lease and the US didn't take some opportunity to terminate it unilaterially how would Alaska be handled? Doubt they would be in a position to make it a state and especially as the deadline for return approaching you could see people seeking to move out rather than become Russian 'citizens'. Of course with Russia, let alone the USSR, having Alaska returned to it would raise security questions for both Canada and the US. As such I think if a lease had been agreed the US would almost certainly repudiate it and seize full control either after the 1917 Novemeber coup/1922 communist victory in the civil war or possibly make it a condition of receiving L-L in WWII. In the event the U.S. failed to return Alaska by the deadline, pro-Russian militia might try to pull off a Crimea within a year or two. I'd imagine the number of Russian speakers in Alaska being greater then OTL. The U.S. could just as easily contact known members of the Romanov family living in Alaska to bring about a "Rump Russian Empire". |
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Post by spanishspy on Jan 8, 2018 22:28:33 GMT
With the revolution of 1917 the US will likely say the agreement was with the Tsar's government and that they would take control of Alaska permanently. Same thing the US did with its debt to France after the French Revolution.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 9, 2018 3:54:09 GMT
With the revolution of 1917 the US will likely say the agreement was with the Tsar's government and that they would take control of Alaska permanently. Same thing the US did with its debt to France after the French Revolution. That could happen. |
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Post by futurist on Apr 21, 2018 21:47:43 GMT
Do not think the Soviets will stay quit for that long. Well in theory for most of the 40 years before 1998 China could have taken back Hong Kong by force so there is a presedent so to speak for the SU not to demand its return ahead of the lease ending. If there was such a lease and the US didn't take some opportunity to terminate it unilaterially how would Alaska be handled? Doubt they would be in a position to make it a state and especially as the deadline for return approaching you could see people seeking to move out rather than become Russian 'citizens'. Of course with Russia, let alone the USSR, having Alaska returned to it would raise security questions for both Canada and the US. As such I think if a lease had been agreed the US would almost certainly repudiate it and seize full control either after the 1917 Novemeber coup/1922 communist victory in the civil war or possibly make it a condition of receiving L-L in WWII. I completely agree with you in regards to this, Steve. Indeed, I think that it would be too risky for the U.S. to allow the Bolsheviks to have a beachhead in North America. |
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