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Post by mcnutt on May 15, 2017 14:50:21 GMT
The POD is that Donald Trump is convicted of sexual assualt or hiring illeagal aliens so he does not run for President. The same other candidates who ran in 2016 would have still run. I think Ted Cruz the OTL runner up would have won the Republican nomination. He would have not only lost but have done worse than Donald Trump did OTL in the popular vote. Hillary could have used Cruz's role in the 2013 government shut down as an effective issue. Ted Cruz is more assocaited with social conservatism than Trump is. That would have offended many moderates. In the website Ted Cruz on the issues the first heading under abortion is: Planned Parenthood sells body parts of unborn human beings.So I see Clinton 51 % Cruz 39 % Johnson 8 % Stein 1 %. Clinton carries Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine ( all of it unlike OTL), Massachusettes, Rhode Island, Conniecticutt, New York, New Jersey, Pennslyvania, Delaware, Maryland, District of Columbia, Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia, Floridia, Ohio, Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, 2nd Congressional District of Nebraska, Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, California, Oregon, Washington and Hawaii for 375 electoral votes. Cruz carries South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennesee, Kentucky, West Virginia, Indiana, Missouri, Arkansas, Louisana, Texas, Oklahomia, Kansas, the rest of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, Utah and Alaska for 163 electoral votes. Can someone do a map? I have always liked the maps I have seen on itnernet alternative history, but I don't know how to do one.
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Post by lordroel on May 15, 2017 14:56:42 GMT
The POD is that Donald Trump is convicted of sexual assualt or hiring illegal aliens so he does not run for President. You mean one of the women who accused him during the election ends up in court with Trump being convicted of sexual assualt. |
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Post by mcnutt on May 15, 2017 19:20:10 GMT
You mean one of the women who accused him during the election ends up in court with Trump being convicted of sexual assualt.
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Post by pericles on May 16, 2017 0:10:37 GMT
You can use US election atlas(http://uselectionatlas.org/TOOLS/evcalc.php) for the map, it also lets you decide the percentage of the vote the winner of a state got in that state and shows it as a different shading, though Republicans are blue and Democrats are red so you may not like that. You can also use 270towin(http://270towin.com/).
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Post by pericles on May 16, 2017 0:30:55 GMT
Clinton wouldn't win 375 electoral votes. Here's how I'd say Clinton vs Cruz goes:  Hillary Clinton/Tim Kaine-Democratic: 288 EV 47.90%Ted Cruz/Carly Fiorina-Republican: 250 EV 47.07%Cruz does better with college-educated whites and minorities, but worse with non college-educated whites, and he does not do well enough to compensate. |
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Post by doug181 on May 16, 2017 12:48:52 GMT
Just more disfunctional goverment
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Post by lordroel on May 16, 2017 13:41:52 GMT
Just more disfunctional goverment Yep, a Democratic president and a Republican control house and Senate, a marriage made in heaven. |
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Post by baloo on May 16, 2017 14:24:36 GMT
There are lots of lesser factors you could tweak to have Hillary win, too. Wow. What a thought. At this point we'd be effectively at war with Russia, if not actually having a nuclear exchange. And the illegal immigration and urban crime (kill a cop) trends of the Obama years would be strengthened rather than somewhat ameliorated. And Chelsea would have her own talk show.
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Post by lordroel on May 16, 2017 14:44:24 GMT
And Chelsea would have her own talk show. With all the things that are happening in OTL, if this happens it will not surprise me at all anymore. |
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Post by Digilog on May 17, 2017 1:27:48 GMT
I recently watched "Get Me Roger Stone" on Netflix, and I have changed my mind on how Trump won in the first place. Real life is stranger than fiction.
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Post by lordroel on May 17, 2017 2:43:07 GMT
I recently watched "Get Me Roger Stone" on Netflix, and I have changed my mind on how Trump won in the first place. Real life is stranger than fiction. That is something i can agree with. |
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Post by pericles on May 17, 2017 3:08:09 GMT
I'm not sure if Cruz would have been nominated it could have been Rubio or even Jeb!
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Post by lordroel on May 17, 2017 3:17:40 GMT
I'm not sure if Cruz would have been nominated it could have been Rubio or even Jeb! Ore another Bush. |
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Post by pericles on May 17, 2017 3:34:21 GMT
I'm not sure if Cruz would have been nominated it could have been Rubio or even Jeb! Ore another Bush. Jeb Bush is a Bush. Maybe Chris Christie could talked Trump's authenticity brand. |
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Post by lordroel on May 17, 2017 3:38:30 GMT
Jeb Bush is a Bush. Maybe Chris Christie could talked Trump's authenticity brand. Sorry forgot that, what about John Kasich ore Chris Christie, or are they to low to run and win. |
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