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Post by lordroel on Sept 27, 2021 18:05:12 GMT
List of Presidents of the United States of America
George Washington, 1789 to 1797.
John Adams, 1797 to 1801.
Thomas Jefferson, 1801 to 1809.
James Madison, 1809 to 1817.
James Monroe, 1817 to 1825.
Andrew Jackson, 1825 to 1837, first president to serve three terms in office.
Richard Mentor Johnson, 1837 to 1841.
William Henry Harrison, 1841, died in office.
John Tyler, 1841 to 1845.
James Knox Polk, 1845 to 1849.
Zachary Taylor, 1849 to 1850, died in office.
James Buchanan, Jr, 1850 to 1853.
Lewis Cass, 1853 to 1857.
James Buchanan, 1857 to 1861.
Abraham Lincoln, 1861 to 1865, was assassinated while in office.
Andrew Johnson, 1865 to 1869.
Ulysses Simpson Grant, 1869 to 1877.
Rutherford Birchard Hayes, 1877 to 1881.
Winfield Hancock, 1881 to 1885.
James G. Blaine, 1885 to 1889.
Benjamin Harrison, 1889 to 1897.
William Jennings Bryan, 1897 to 1901.
William McKinley, Jr, 1901 to 1909.
William Howard Taft, 1909 to 1913.
Woodrow Wilson, 1913 to 1921.
Calvin Coolidge 1921 to 1929.
Herbert Clark Hoover, 1929 to 1937.
Alf Landon, 1937 to 1940, current president of the United States of America.
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Post by stevep on Sept 27, 2021 18:25:06 GMT
You do realise you have two Mississippi and Idaho's, numbers 22&23 and 36&37. I assume that is the 1st pair, which would be very old by this time would have been renamed if they were still in service by 1940. Apart from the fact some very old ships are maintained in service and the 4th Colorado enters service all those ships are from OTL which seems somewhat unlikely as without a WNT its likely that more ships would have been built between then and the N Carolina class and with different designs. Or was there a WNT but with somewhat different terms allowing one more Colorado and a lot more older ships to be maintained? Steve
My fault, i rushed the list to quickly, we can therefore consider the list not cannon to the WNN. Will add more to the thread so you might figure out if the WNT was signed ore not depending on who was the president of the United States at that time. Also a question, with FDR being prime minster of the New Netherlands as of 1940, how much was he a force in OTL to get the Two-Ocean Navy Act passed.
Duh, I had forgotten the basic idea of the TL. A lot would depend on how tight a butterfly net is occurring. In real life you wouldn't have George Washington in TTL let alone FDR, although you could have people performing similar roles. Similarly a US without New York, or Texas would be considerably different. [Belatedly noticed that was probably why some of those ship names were different since there wouldn't be a USS New York or USS Texas here.
The big thing would probably be was there a great depression? I suspect not since I noticed that Hoover served 2 terms through that period. FDR had at least as much to do with how the US went through the depressions as WWII. Its likely if there is a president who isn't an ardent isolationist and you have a situation similar to OTL with a fascist Germany and Japan being strongly expansionist then there would be a big build up, of the US Navy especially in such a period.
In terms of the WNT then since Wilson and Coolidge both served two terms I would expect that the WNT went ahead, although given Bryan was President in 1898 I wonder if there was a war with Spain. If not then the US probably doesn't have Puerto Rico and the Philippines and since McKinley wasn't assassinated and Teddy Roosevelt never became President the US is likely to be significantly different and may still be markedly more isolationist and having less international contacts than OTL.
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Post by lordroel on Sept 27, 2021 18:35:50 GMT
My fault, i rushed the list to quickly, we can therefore consider the list not cannon to the WNN. Will add more to the thread so you might figure out if the WNT was signed ore not depending on who was the president of the United States at that time. Also a question, with FDR being prime minster of the New Netherlands as of 1940, how much was he a force in OTL to get the Two-Ocean Navy Act passed. Duh, I had forgotten the basic idea of the TL. A lot would depend on how tight a butterfly net is occurring. In real life you wouldn't have George Washington in TTL let alone FDR, although you could have people performing similar roles. Similarly a US without New York, or Texas would be considerably different. [Belatedly noticed that was probably why some of those ship names were different since there wouldn't be a USS New York or USS Texas here. The big thing would probably be was there a great depression? I suspect not since I noticed that Hoover served 2 terms through that period. FDR had at least as much to do with how the US went through the depressions as WWII. Its likely if there is a president who isn't an ardent isolationist and you have a situation similar to OTL with a fascist Germany and Japan being strongly expansionist then there would be a big build up, of the US Navy especially in such a period. In terms of the WNT then since Wilson and Coolidge both served two terms I would expect that the WNT went ahead, although given Bryan was President in 1898 I wonder if there was a war with Spain. If not then the US probably doesn't have Puerto Rico and the Philippines and since McKinley wasn't assassinated and Teddy Roosevelt never became President the US is likely to be significantly different and may still be markedly more isolationist and having less international contacts than OTL. Steve
So we can make the WNT cannon then, okay. The Spanish-American War did happen as mentioned in the wars post on page 1. Spanish-American War (April 25th to August 12th 1898) A conflict between the kingdom of Spain and the United States. Revolts against Spanish rule had been endemic for decades in Cuba and were closely watched by Americans. By 1897–98, American public opinion grew angrier at reports of Spanish atrocities. After the mysterious sinking of the American battleship USS Iowa in Havana harbor, political pressures from the Democratic Party pushed President William Jennings Bryan, also a Democrat, into a war. An ultimatum sent to Madrid demanding it relinquish control of Cuba immediately, which was not accepted. First Madrid, then Washington, formally declared war. Although the main issue was Cuban independence, the ten-week war was fought in both the Caribbean and the Pacific. A series of one-sided American naval and military victories followed on all fronts, owing to their numerical superiority in most of the battles and despite the good performance of some of the Spanish infantry units. The outcome was the 1898 Treaty of Paris—which was favorable to the United States—followed by American control of Cuba and authority over Puerto Rico, Guam and the Philippines.But having liberated Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam and the Philippines, President William Jennings Bryan final act as president in 1901 was to give all three former Spanish colonies their independence as he became a fierce opponent of American imperialism and he felt that his party forced him into war he was against, that is why he did not ran for a second term in office.
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