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Post by justiniano on Jul 29, 2022 19:52:02 GMT
Thee Afrikaaners, Xhosa & Zulu team up to try and repel the British
Edit: go with whatever date is easiest for you
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Post by lordroel on Jul 30, 2022 0:57:59 GMT
Thee Afrikaaners, Xhosa & Zulu team up to try and repel the British What year is also important to know. |
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Post by stevep on Jul 31, 2022 11:29:37 GMT
Thee Afrikaaners, Xhosa & Zulu team up to try and repel the British
Given that the Afrikaners and Zulu's at least hated each other more than the British and were the greatest threat to each other that would be a difficult task. Similarly the other African tribes/nations that escaped both the Boers and the Zulu's were more likely to look towards the British as the least bad option.
Plus by the time the Zulu's came into prominence in 1822 the British had already been firmly established in S Africa. Also by that time the hard line Boers who still supported slavery were clashing with the Africans they wanted to conquer and enslave so its difficult to see them ever forming an alliance with any black population.
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Post by justiniano on Jul 31, 2022 16:43:21 GMT
Plus by the time the Zulu's came into prominence in 1822 the British had already been firmly established in S Africa. Also by that time the hard line Boers who still supported slavery were clashing with the Africans they wanted to conquer and enslave so its difficult to see them ever forming an alliance with any black population. What if they form a temporary alliance the zulus will see it as them playing the boers and brits against each other and the boers will see it as them playing the zulus & brits against each other |
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Post by simon darkshade on Jul 31, 2022 16:54:42 GMT
For there to be any way of answering the question, you’d need to say when you are talking about. The difference of a few years can be extreme in this case.
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Post by justiniano on Jul 31, 2022 20:51:40 GMT
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Post by simon darkshade on Jul 31, 2022 21:45:34 GMT
That is a bit of a cop out.
The Xhosa were never a factor; after 1812, they lost and lost again, in the 4th, 5th and 6th Frontier Wars, and those results were never in a shadow of doubt.
The Boers only become a nominal independent factor after the Great Trek, or post 1840.
After the death of Shaka in 1828, the Zulus ceased to be an independent threat and technology rapidly eclipsed their advantages. Don’t think Isandlwana, but rather Ulundi and the battles against the Matabele.
There is a nominal concurrence between the Boers and Zulus, but that is it - only nominal.
Moving on, there are no grounds for an ‘alliance’ between those two groups as Steve points out.
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Post by lordroel on Aug 1, 2022 2:46:26 GMT
This is not how it works justiniano, this is the easy way out, as OP you need to be the one who does his best to think of a date. |
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Post by justiniano on Aug 1, 2022 3:08:23 GMT
as OP you need to be the one who does his best to think of a date I can think of a date but I don't wanna pick something too hard |
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Post by lordroel on Aug 1, 2022 3:11:25 GMT
as OP you need to be the one who does his best to think of a date I can think of a date but I don't wanna pick something too hard Still picking a date, even if it is a wrong date is better then just editing and saying: go with whatever date is easiest for you |
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