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Post by stevep on Nov 9, 2016 13:53:26 GMT
As alway it would depend on the circumstances but suspect that Roosevelt would win it. [Presuming he decides to stand as President again. Apart from any health issues this would mean he's standing as President for a 3rd time, which would break a tradition dating back to Washington]. Steve But technically is is already a third time president because he was already president from 1901 to 1909/ Lordroel He might be able to get away with 1912 because in 1901 he wasn't the elected President but the vice who was promted after an assassination. I'm not sure if there was any complaint at the time but almost certain to be some when he stands in 1916. Steve |
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Post by lordroel on Nov 9, 2016 14:56:36 GMT
But technically is is already a third time president because he was already president from 1901 to 1909/ Lordroel He might be able to get away with 1912 because in 1901 he wasn't the elected President but the vice who was promted after an assassination. I'm not sure if there was any complaint at the time but almost certain to be some when he stands in 1916. Steve So you are saying that he is a two term president already because he never was elected to his first term. |
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Post by stevep on Nov 9, 2016 19:54:04 GMT
Lordroel He might be able to get away with 1912 because in 1901 he wasn't the elected President but the vice who was promted after an assassination. I'm not sure if there was any complaint at the time but almost certain to be some when he stands in 1916. Steve So you are saying that he is a two term president already because he never was elected to his first term. If he won in 1912 that would be the 2nd term he was elected President. He was President for most of the term before 1904 as the successor to McKinley but could argue that this didn't count as a term in its own right. As I say I assume that this might have come up when he stood in 1912 but I don't know what if anything was said then. However if he was standing again in 1916 that would have been a 3rd term by any measure so is likely to cause more universal concern. Steve |
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Post by lordroel on Nov 9, 2016 20:13:34 GMT
So you are saying that he is a two term president already because he never was elected to his first term. If he won in 1912 that would be the 2nd term he was elected President. He was President for most of the term before 1904 as the successor to McKinley but could argue that this didn't count as a term in its own right. As I say I assume that this might have come up when he stood in 1912 but I don't know what if anything was said then. However if he was standing again in 1916 that would have been a 3rd term by any measure so is likely to cause more universal concern. Steve But why would he not go for a 3rd term, it depends of course on his poularaty but i would think that with a war going on in Europe his honor would demand that he lead the United States to victory. |
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Post by stevep on Nov 9, 2016 23:01:05 GMT
If he won in 1912 that would be the 2nd term he was elected President. He was President for most of the term before 1904 as the successor to McKinley but could argue that this didn't count as a term in its own right. As I say I assume that this might have come up when he stood in 1912 but I don't know what if anything was said then. However if he was standing again in 1916 that would have been a 3rd term by any measure so is likely to cause more universal concern. Steve But why would he not go for a 3rd term, it depends of course on his poularaty but i would think that with a war going on in Europe his honor would demand that he lead the United States to victory. Ah not my point. What I said was that there was a tradition of not standing for a 3rd term, which was only broken by FDR and as a result a change was made to the constitution that forbade a President stading for a 3rd term. [Although I think it allows a 1st term if he started off as vice President so if that legistration had been in place then he would have been able to stand in 1912 but if he won he couldn't stand again in 1916]. I think under the circumstances and presuming his health was OK that he would want to stand and he would stand a good chance of winning. However I suspect there would be comments that he was breaking the forementioned tradition and that some time in the future you might see similar legistration passed as in OTL to stop a 3rd term. Steve |
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Post by lordroel on Nov 10, 2016 4:15:26 GMT
But why would he not go for a 3rd term, it depends of course on his poularaty but i would think that with a war going on in Europe his honor would demand that he lead the United States to victory. Ah not my point. What I said was that there was a tradition of not standing for a 3rd term, which was only broken by FDR and as a result a change was made to the constitution that forbade a President stading for a 3rd term. [Although I think it allows a 1st term if he started off as vice President so if that legistration had been in place then he would have been able to stand in 1912 but if he won he couldn't stand again in 1916]. I think under the circumstances and presuming his health was OK that he would want to stand and he would stand a good chance of winning. However I suspect there would be comments that he was breaking the forementioned tradition and that some time in the future you might see similar legistration passed as in OTL to stop a 3rd term. Steve Well not before there has been another Roosevelt been president. |
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Post by stevep on Nov 10, 2016 14:55:25 GMT
Ah not my point. What I said was that there was a tradition of not standing for a 3rd term, which was only broken by FDR and as a result a change was made to the constitution that forbade a President stading for a 3rd term. [Although I think it allows a 1st term if he started off as vice President so if that legistration had been in place then he would have been able to stand in 1912 but if he won he couldn't stand again in 1916]. I think under the circumstances and presuming his health was OK that he would want to stand and he would stand a good chance of winning. However I suspect there would be comments that he was breaking the forementioned tradition and that some time in the future you might see similar legistration passed as in OTL to stop a 3rd term. Steve Well not before there has been another Roosevelt been president. I don't know. OTL FDR's 4 elections prompted such a reaction. If Teddy wins 3 elections, regardless of having effectively had a 4th term [his 1st] via the death of McKinley I could see the same reaction by the Democrats TTL in response. Probably with the support of a number of Republicans and cross-party groups. Steve |
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Post by lordroel on Nov 10, 2016 15:29:30 GMT
Well not before there has been another Roosevelt been president. I don't know. OTL FDR's 4 elections prompted such a reaction. If Teddy wins 3 elections, regardless of having effectively had a 4th term [his 1st] via the death of McKinley I could see the same reaction by the Democrats TTL in response. Probably with the support of a number of Republicans and cross-party groups. Steve Well we might see that the second Roosevelt never gets elected due people thinking he might be another Teddy. |
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