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Post by stevep on Oct 21, 2016 15:24:10 GMT
Depends on how the British react. If they are harsh they will need a large garrison, you could expect trouble. If what happened in Boston happened all over, I would expect continuing trouble. In the southern colonies were large numbers of Scotch -Irish no lovers of Britain Would be strange to see the southern colonies try to go for a second atamept to become Independence will the Northern colonies decide to stay under British control. I could see that happening but most likely in circa 1830 odd when the empire ends slavery. |
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Post by lordroel on Oct 21, 2016 15:25:48 GMT
Would be strange to see the southern colonies try to go for a second atamept to become Independence will the Northern colonies decide to stay under British control. I could see that happening but most likely in circa 1830 odd when the empire ends slavery. So instead of a Civil War in a independent America we would have the Southern colonies start the 2nd American Revolution due the British outlawing slavery. |
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Post by stevep on Oct 22, 2016 13:19:40 GMT
I could see that happening but most likely in circa 1830 odd when the empire ends slavery. So instead of a Civil War in a independent America we would have the Southern colonies start the 2nd American Revolution due the British outlawing slavery. Well under those circumstances there would be a rebellion. However presuming similar situations to OTL with slavery being unpopular in the norther provinces and illegal in Britain I wouldn't see a rebellion lasting that long, at least unless it got substantial outside help. Between Britain's military, naval and economic strength, the norths superior resources and the fact the slaves would have much greater potential to escape/rebel themselves I can't see it lasting longer than a year or so. Alrthough things could get very messy in places. |
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Post by lordroel on Oct 22, 2016 13:36:54 GMT
So instead of a Civil War in a independent America we would have the Southern colonies start the 2nd American Revolution due the British outlawing slavery. Well under those circumstances there would be a rebellion. However presuming similar situations to OTL with slavery being unpopular in the norther provinces and illegal in Britain I wouldn't see a rebellion lasting that long, at least unless it got substantial outside help. Between Britain's military, naval and economic strength, the norths superior resources and the fact the slaves would have much greater potential to escape/rebel themselves I can't see it lasting longer than a year or so. Alrthough things could get very messy in places. I would assume the British would use Northern colonial militias to deal with any Southern Rebellion. |
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Post by stevep on Oct 22, 2016 16:51:26 GMT
Well under those circumstances there would be a rebellion. However presuming similar situations to OTL with slavery being unpopular in the norther provinces and illegal in Britain I wouldn't see a rebellion lasting that long, at least unless it got substantial outside help. Between Britain's military, naval and economic strength, the norths superior resources and the fact the slaves would have much greater potential to escape/rebel themselves I can't see it lasting longer than a year or so. Alrthough things could get very messy in places. I would assume the British would use Northern colonial militias to deal with any Southern Rebellion. It would depend on the cirucmstances but their likely to play a part, possibly a large one. |
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Post by lordroel on Oct 22, 2016 16:52:30 GMT
I would assume the British would use Northern colonial militias to deal with any Southern Rebellion. It would depend on the cirucmstances but their likely to play a part, possibly a large one. That is going to be good for North-South relations in the American colonies. |
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Post by stevep on Oct 22, 2016 21:22:28 GMT
It would depend on the cirucmstances but their likely to play a part, possibly a large one. That is going to be good for North-South relations in the American colonies. Possibly in the short term but in the longer one probably not as much as OTL. For one thing you might have more opposition internally to the rebellion, although there was a lot in the USCW. For another you would have the fact that London and forces directed by it would have done a lot of the fighting. Plus of course there would be a lot more slaves and possibly the small farmers who did own slaves but were increasingly dominated by the so called plantocracy who might well welcome an intervention that breaks the power of the latter. |
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Post by doug181 on Oct 26, 2016 20:40:54 GMT
The British Empire compensated slaveowners so freeing the slaves might not have been a serious issue
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Post by stevep on Oct 26, 2016 22:11:12 GMT
The British Empire compensated slaveowners so freeing the slaves might not have been a serious issue doug Very good point. There is the possibility with the larger numbers of slaves on the continent, presuming its developed in the same way, that compensation might be less. The other point is that after the freeing of the slaves the Carribean were largely black share-croppers with a very small white 'administrator' class. With the southern US there are large black and white populations living side by side with strong racial hostility towards this by some of the whites at least. [Both in terms of those who might genuinuely belive that slavery was 'better' for the blacks and for many more the problem that they don't want to commit with freed black labour.] As such there might still be tensions here even if compensation was paid to the slave owners. Especially since a lot of northerners didn't want blacks living near and competing with them for jobs either. In a unified empire freed slaves would have the right to move anywhere in the colonies and I could see a lot moviing north, as happened later in the US in OTL. I.e. paying compensation could largely unify any slavers revolt in TL but could cause some problems later on. Steve |
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