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Post by stevep on Sept 21, 2016 18:31:55 GMT
I suspect that war would occur eventually and probably some time in 42 although as I say I could see it being six months or so before this occurs. I do not thing it will matter for Germany so much, they are still going to lose to to allies no matter how late the United States enters into the war. That is the most likely outcome, especially with Hitler in charge of Germany. Its not impossible that something else could happen that leads to some German state continuing to dominate Europe militarily but pretty unlikely. |
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Post by lordroel on Sept 21, 2016 18:37:56 GMT
I do not thing it will matter for Germany so much, they are still going to lose to to allies no matter how late the United States enters into the war. That is the most likely outcome, especially with Hitler in charge of Germany. Its not impossible that something else could happen that leads to some German state continuing to dominate Europe militarily but pretty unlikely. The British will however be forced to win the Battle for North Africa on their own, but i think they will be able to do it. |
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Post by stevep on Sept 21, 2016 22:06:17 GMT
That is the most likely outcome, especially with Hitler in charge of Germany. Its not impossible that something else could happen that leads to some German state continuing to dominate Europe militarily but pretty unlikely. The British will however be forced to win the Battle for North Africa on their own, but i think they will be able to do it. Ultimately I think so. Rommel has a pretty much impossible situation getting past El Alemein especially with the terrible logistics. Sooner or later a Torch type operation should be possible even without direct US involvement and with the Soviets increasingly applying pressure on the Germans the chances of such an operation being successful would be high. More importantly would be winning the Atlantic battle but the RN/CRN forces were being steadily built up in numbers and experience and a delayed/prevented US entry into the European conflict would have the bonus that the Germans are respecting the US neutrality zone, which saves a hell of a lot of lives and shipping compared to OTL and also means the allied ASW forces have a markedly smaller region to protect, at least as far as the N Atlantic is concerned. |
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Post by lordroel on Sept 22, 2016 2:56:27 GMT
More importantly would be winning the Atlantic battle but the RN/CRN forces were being steadily built up in numbers and experience and a delayed/prevented US entry into the European conflict would have the bonus that the Germans are respecting the US neutrality zone, which saves a hell of a lot of lives and shipping compared to OTL and also means the allied ASW forces have a markedly smaller region to protect, at least as far as the N Atlantic is concerned. I think even with the US neutrality the U-boats if they will see a juicy target operating in the US neutrality zone will try to sink it. |
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Post by stevep on Sept 22, 2016 17:21:38 GMT
More importantly would be winning the Atlantic battle but the RN/CRN forces were being steadily built up in numbers and experience and a delayed/prevented US entry into the European conflict would have the bonus that the Germans are respecting the US neutrality zone, which saves a hell of a lot of lives and shipping compared to OTL and also means the allied ASW forces have a markedly smaller region to protect, at least as far as the N Atlantic is concerned. I think even with the US neutrality the U-boats if they will see a juicy target operating in the US neutrality zone will try to sink it. Ahbut doing that too often and you do get a US dow with venom. |
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Post by lordroel on Sept 22, 2016 17:28:42 GMT
I think even with the US neutrality the U-boats if they will see a juicy target operating in the US neutrality zone will try to sink it. Ahbut doing that too often and you do get a US dow with venom. But not doing allows the United Kingdom getting the stuff it needs to fight on. |
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Post by stevep on Sept 22, 2016 21:56:52 GMT
Ahbut doing that too often and you do get a US dow with venom. But not doing allows the United Kingdom getting the stuff it needs to fight on. However without direct US military strength and especially with demands on Britain in the Far East as well Britain can only make secondary attacks until Germany is vitually prostrate. I.e. a well organised Britain could possibly make a successful campaign in Italy and/or the Balkans but a full scale invasion of N France is extremely unlikely to succeed. |
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Post by lordroel on Sept 23, 2016 1:51:03 GMT
But not doing allows the United Kingdom getting the stuff it needs to fight on. However without direct US military strength and especially with demands on Britain in the Far East as well Britain can only make secondary attacks until Germany is vitually prostrate. I.e. a well organised Britain could possibly make a successful campaign in Italy and/or the Balkans but a full scale invasion of N France is extremely unlikely to succeed. That is true i think that the United Kingdom will focus on removing Italy and Germany from North Africa which might be a thing they can do with out the United Sates help. |
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