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Post by lordroel on Sept 30, 2016 12:06:44 GMT
Thank you. Say, if it would not be to much of a problem, would you also be willing to do the United States Navy ship list? The United states is much smaller in this universe am i corecht. I have 16 battleships for the imperial German Navy of which 2 class where build in the 1910s, and 1 class in the 1920s and one class in the 1930s. |
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Post by eurowatch on Sept 30, 2016 12:33:44 GMT
Thank you. Say, if it would not be to much of a problem, would you also be willing to do the United States Navy ship list? The United states is much smaller in this universe am i corecht. I have 16 battleships for the imperial German Navy of which 2 class where build in the 1910s, and 1 class in the 1920s and one class in the 1930s. Yes, it designed around coast defence and thus their ships typically pack more firepower and armour then their Royal Navy counterparts at the cost of having a Limited range. They currently have 18 destroyers, 2 light cruisers, 1 heavy cruiser, a handfull of submarines and a pair of support ships. I think that by 1940 the classes built in the 1910s would all by retired or delegated to reserve status. Need to keep the fleet modern after all. |
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Post by lordroel on Sept 30, 2016 12:42:10 GMT
The United states is much smaller in this universe am i corecht. I have 16 battleships for the imperial German Navy of which 2 class where build in the 1910s, and 1 class in the 1920s and one class in the 1930s. Yes, it designed around coast defence and thus their ships typically pack more firepower and armour then their Royal Navy counterparts at the cost of having a Limited range. They currently have 18 destroyers, 2 light cruisers, 1 heavy cruiser, a handfull of submarines and a pair of support ships. I think that by 1940 the classes built in the 1910s would all by retired or delegated to reserve status. Need to keep the fleet modern after all. The König class and Bayern-class battleships where build in the period of 1911 to 1917 and where modernized in the 1930s just like the British Queen Elizabeth-class battleships of OTL who also saw service until 1947, so age does not matter. |
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Post by eurowatch on Sept 30, 2016 12:52:56 GMT
Yes, it designed around coast defence and thus their ships typically pack more firepower and armour then their Royal Navy counterparts at the cost of having a Limited range. They currently have 18 destroyers, 2 light cruisers, 1 heavy cruiser, a handfull of submarines and a pair of support ships. I think that by 1940 the classes built in the 1910s would all by retired or delegated to reserve status. Need to keep the fleet modern after all. The König class and Bayern-class battleships where build in the period of 1911 to 1917 and where modernized in the 1930s just like the British Queen Elizabeth-class battleships of OTL who also saw service until 1947, so age does not matter. Yes, but only Warspite saw much action, the other three spent most of the time in drydock to afraid to confront the Italians. And as Hood proved, age does matter when it comes to weapon and armour Development. |
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Post by lordroel on Sept 30, 2016 12:56:47 GMT
The König class and Bayern-class battleships where build in the period of 1911 to 1917 and where modernized in the 1930s just like the British Queen Elizabeth-class battleships of OTL who also saw service until 1947, so age does not matter. Yes, but only Warspite saw much action, the other three spent most of the time in drydock to afraid to confront the Italians. And as Hood proved, age does matter when it comes to weapon and armour Development. Well but the two oldest battleship class in service in the German imperial Navy are around 25 years at the time of the war, not old in my view. |
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Post by eurowatch on Sept 30, 2016 20:12:58 GMT
Yes, but only Warspite saw much action, the other three spent most of the time in drydock to afraid to confront the Italians. And as Hood proved, age does matter when it comes to weapon and armour Development. Well but the two oldest battleship class in service in the German imperial Navy are around 25 years at the time of the war, not old in my view. And of the similary aged Kongou(-desu!)-Class, only Haruna survived one year. There is also the Stockholm Naval Treaty of 1922, which forced an end to Battleship construction for years. |
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Post by lordroel on Sept 30, 2016 20:27:00 GMT
Well but the two oldest battleship class in service in the German imperial Navy are around 25 years at the time of the war, not old in my view. And of the similary aged Kongou(-desu!)-Class, only Haruna survived one year. There is also the Stockholm Naval Treaty of 1922, which forced an end to Battleship construction for years. Well then the L 20 α-class battleship the Imperial German Navy was planning to build would be canceled and only in 1926 the Germans would be able to begin constructing a new class. |
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Post by eurowatch on Sept 30, 2016 20:39:51 GMT
And of the similary aged Kongou(-desu!)-Class, only Haruna survived one year. There is also the Stockholm Naval Treaty of 1922, which forced an end to Battleship construction for years. Well then the L 20 α-class battleship the Imperial German Navy was planning to build would be canceled and only in 1926 the Germans would be able to begin constructing a new class. Considering Germany was pretty much broke by the end of the war, that most likely wouldn't have changed anyway. |
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Post by lordroel on Oct 1, 2016 8:43:52 GMT
Well then the L 20 α-class battleship the Imperial German Navy was planning to build would be canceled and only in 1926 the Germans would be able to begin constructing a new class. Considering Germany was pretty much broke by the end of the war, that most likely wouldn't have changed anyway. Is the Stockholm Naval Treaty of 1922 like the Washington Naval Treaty of OTL. |
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Post by eurowatch on Oct 1, 2016 8:55:25 GMT
Considering Germany was pretty much broke by the end of the war, that most likely wouldn't have changed anyway. Is the Stockholm Naval Treaty of 1922 like the Washington Naval Treaty of OTL. Yes, the main consequences were: - People quickly began exploiting loopholes or outright cheating to Dodge treaty limits. - The inclusion of Sweden-Russia in the treaty was a mere formality since their navy lacked interests in Battleships anyway. - Japan never started whining about how they were being held Down due to more generous terms for them (they never reached their allowed number of Battleships tough). - While offically to stop the arms race, the treaty was also intended to reduce the British, French and Italian navies to neglectable obstacles by fprcing them to Accept the harshest terms. |
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Post by lordroel on Oct 1, 2016 9:07:48 GMT
Is the Stockholm Naval Treaty of 1922 like the Washington Naval Treaty of OTL. Yes, the main consequences were: - People quickly began exploiting loopholes or outright cheating to Dodge treaty limits. - The inclusion of Sweden-Russia in the treaty was a mere formality since their navy lacked interests in Battleships anyway. - Japan never started whining about how they were being held Down due to more generous terms for them (they never reached their allowed number of Battleships tough). - While offically to stop the arms race, the treaty was also intended to reduce the British, French and Italian navies to neglectable obstacles by fprcing them to Accept the harshest terms. And what about the Dutch Commonwealth. |
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Post by eurowatch on Oct 1, 2016 9:18:57 GMT
Yes, the main consequences were: - People quickly began exploiting loopholes or outright cheating to Dodge treaty limits. - The inclusion of Sweden-Russia in the treaty was a mere formality since their navy lacked interests in Battleships anyway. - Japan never started whining about how they were being held Down due to more generous terms for them (they never reached their allowed number of Battleships tough). - While offically to stop the arms race, the treaty was also intended to reduce the British, French and Italian navies to neglectable obstacles by fprcing them to Accept the harshest terms. And what about the Dutch Commonwealth. The Dutch (being the most important party in the negotiation) naturally gave themselves the most generous terms. They still had to scrap or sell a large number of their smaller ships tough. |
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Post by lordroel on Oct 1, 2016 9:20:30 GMT
And what about the Dutch Commonwealth. The Dutch (being the most important party in the negotiation) naturally gave themselves the most generous terms. They still had to scrap or sell a large number of their smaller ships tough. Ore give them to members of the Commonwealth like Brazil. |
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Post by eurowatch on Oct 1, 2016 9:25:28 GMT
The Dutch (being the most important party in the negotiation) naturally gave themselves the most generous terms. They still had to scrap or sell a large number of their smaller ships tough. Or give them to members of the Commonwealth like Brazil. Some ships went that way, others were handed of to future allies in Africa. The US for example got twelve destroyers and three submarines from the Royal Navy to congratulate them for their victory. |
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Post by lordroel on Oct 1, 2016 9:36:11 GMT
Or give them to members of the Commonwealth like Brazil. Some ships went that way, others were handed of to future allies in Africa. The US for example got twelve destroyers and three submarines from the Royal Navy to congratulate them for their victory. Yes i was thinking about that, i noticed that Africa of this universe did not look like it had suffered much of the Rush for Africa like Africa of OTL. |
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