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Post by stevep on Jul 4, 2016 16:55:47 GMT
Well I suppose that the Arabs could have been marginalised by been pushed onto the poorer lands to open up richer areas for French settlers. Then left as a dwindling minority as the French population expands. Mind you this might qualify as ethnic cleansing, although without any outright killing. Would there actually be enough French people and other Europeans who are up for this task, though? Possibly with changes to French demographics, or say attracting some of the people from especially Italy who OTL went to N America. I think a sizeably proportion of the colonial population in Tunisia and eastern Algeria were actually of Italian origin. Another alternative might be offering land to Irish people fleeing the famine or possibly east Christians fearing persecution in the Ottoman Empire. Provided you could get an establishment and have the military forces to isolate the natives into poorer areas you could probably fill up the land by population growth over a couple of generations. Its basically what the Americans did in the continental US. True the Arabs are a bit more numerous and more organised and their connected to the wider Arab/Muslim world. I think the big chance would be to adopt the American mindset and see the land as purely for 'their' settlers rather than viewing the native population as cheap labourers, taxpayers and suppliers of services as in most of the European colonial regions. |
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Post by futurist on Jul 5, 2016 4:32:18 GMT
Would there actually be enough French people and other Europeans who are up for this task, though? Possibly with changes to French demographics, or say attracting some of the people from especially Italy who OTL went to N America. I think a sizeably proportion of the colonial population in Tunisia and eastern Algeria were actually of Italian origin. Another alternative might be offering land to Irish people fleeing the famine or possibly east Christians fearing persecution in the Ottoman Empire. Provided you could get an establishment and have the military forces to isolate the natives into poorer areas you could probably fill up the land by population growth over a couple of generations. Its basically what the Americans did in the continental US. True the Arabs are a bit more numerous and more organised and their connected to the wider Arab/Muslim world. I think the big chance would be to adopt the American mindset and see the land as purely for 'their' settlers rather than viewing the native population as cheap labourers, taxpayers and suppliers of services as in most of the European colonial regions. Frankly, all of this appears to make sense. However, in such a scenario, wouldn't the Arab-majority parts of Algeria (presumably in the interior of Algeria) eventually acquire independence from France while France might very well be able to permanently keep many/most/all of the coastal (very Europeanized) areas of Algeria? |
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Post by stevep on Jul 5, 2016 16:47:04 GMT
Possibly with changes to French demographics, or say attracting some of the people from especially Italy who OTL went to N America. I think a sizeably proportion of the colonial population in Tunisia and eastern Algeria were actually of Italian origin. Another alternative might be offering land to Irish people fleeing the famine or possibly east Christians fearing persecution in the Ottoman Empire. Provided you could get an establishment and have the military forces to isolate the natives into poorer areas you could probably fill up the land by population growth over a couple of generations. Its basically what the Americans did in the continental US. True the Arabs are a bit more numerous and more organised and their connected to the wider Arab/Muslim world. I think the big chance would be to adopt the American mindset and see the land as purely for 'their' settlers rather than viewing the native population as cheap labourers, taxpayers and suppliers of services as in most of the European colonial regions. Frankly, all of this appears to make sense. However, in such a scenario, wouldn't the Arab-majority parts of Algeria (presumably in the interior of Algeria) eventually acquire independence from France while France might very well be able to permanently keep many/most/all of the coastal (very Europeanized) areas of Algeria? Quite probably, at least if this occurs before oil and gas reserves are discovered. However depending on how much their been pushed to the fringes you could have a relatively small population in dire poverty on the edge of the Sahara. I.e. basically too small and marginised a population to pose any real challenge to a much more populous 'French' Algeria. Of course it might also make a difference if France has managed to impose similar circumstances on Tunisia and Morocco. If their got say 20-25M people in their southern territories while say 1-3M Arabs are largely isolated from the outside world further south in primitive conditions the French would probably have achieved the conditions you have in the OP. Possibly in the process meaning their the most powerful state in west/central Europe as well as controlling at least the western Med. |
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