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Post by oscssw on Aug 28, 2024 14:32:19 GMT
Been mulling over Dug Mac as president of the USA in WW II
ATL:
1. On March 3, 1944 General Douglas MacArthur and his staff flying on his transport Bataan make a crash landing that kills all his top aids and leaves the general injured to the point he requires two months in a stateside hospital before being medically discharged from the US Army.
2. July 25, 1944 FDR dies peacefully in his sleep
3. Henry A Wallace finishes out FDR's term
The man was no FDR and he had been very badly treated by FDR and his trusted subordinates so he
Fires Marshall, King and Nimitz replacing them by officers who would be more loyal to himself.
4. August 1944 Doug Mac is nominated as the GOP presidential candidate
5. November 1944 Douglas MacArthur is elected POTUS with a GOP majority in the Senate.
6. Mac absolutely HATED Communism so how does he deal with Uncle Joe?
7. Mac did not have the excellent relationship FDR had with our most important ally Churchill. IMO Churchill would far more likely to convince Mac to go along with his own agenda than FDR was.
8. As one of the greatest generals of all time, at least in his own mind, how would Mac change important military appointments, war priorities and strategy.
That should be enough to generate a discussion.
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Post by lordroel on Aug 28, 2024 14:43:38 GMT
Been mulling over Dug Mac as president of the USA in WW II ATL: 1. On March 3, 1944 General Douglas MacArthur and his staff flying on his transport Bataan make a crash landing that kills all his top aids and leaves the general injured to the point he requires two months in a stateside hospital before being medically discharged from the US Army. 2. July 25, 1948 FDR dies peacefully in his sleep 3. Henry A Wallace finishes out FDR's term The man was no FDR and he had been very badly treated by FDR and his trusted subordinates so he Fires Marshall, King and Nimitz replacing them by officers who would be more loyal to himself. 4. August 1944 Doug Mac is nominated as the GOP presidential candidate 5. November 1944 Douglas MacArthur is elected POTUS with a GOP majority in the Senate. 6. Mac absolutely HATED Communism so how does he deal with Uncle Joe? 7. Mac did not have the excellent relationship FDR had with our most important ally Churchill. IMO Churchill would far more likely to convince Mac to go along with his own agenda than FDR was. 8. As one of the greatest generals of all time, at least in his own mind, how would Mac change important military appointments, war priorities and strategy. That should be enough to generate a discussion. Have fun Interesting, so FDR mange to live out 3 more year, so i wonder did he order the dropping of the bombs on Japan. |
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Post by stevep on Aug 28, 2024 15:19:09 GMT
Been mulling over Dug Mac as president of the USA in WW II ATL: 1. On March 3, 1944 General Douglas MacArthur and his staff flying on his transport Bataan make a crash landing that kills all his top aids and leaves the general injured to the point he requires two months in a stateside hospital before being medically discharged from the US Army. 2. July 25, 1948 FDR dies peacefully in his sleep 3. Henry A Wallace finishes out FDR's term The man was no FDR and he had been very badly treated by FDR and his trusted subordinates so he Fires Marshall, King and Nimitz replacing them by officers who would be more loyal to himself. 4. August 1944 Doug Mac is nominated as the GOP presidential candidate 5. November 1944 Douglas MacArthur is elected POTUS with a GOP majority in the Senate. 6. Mac absolutely HATED Communism so how does he deal with Uncle Joe? 7. Mac did not have the excellent relationship FDR had with our most important ally Churchill. IMO Churchill would far more likely to convince Mac to go along with his own agenda than FDR was. 8. As one of the greatest generals of all time, at least in his own mind, how would Mac change important military appointments, war priorities and strategy. That should be enough to generate a discussion. Have fun Interesting, so FDR mange to live out 3 more year, so i wonder did he order the dropping of the bombs on Japan. What if FDR had lived through his fourth term?
I think, since the other dates are from 1944 and also oscssw mentions about Wallace finishing the tail end of the term - he wasn't VP after 1944 so that wouldn't fit in with him taking over - that is a typo and oscssw meant FDR died in July 25, 1944 not 1948. That would fit with MacArthur being elected in Nov 44 and then dealing with Stalin and Churchill and the tail end of WWII.
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Post by lordroel on Aug 28, 2024 15:20:46 GMT
Interesting, so FDR mange to live out 3 more year, so i wonder did he order the dropping of the bombs on Japan. What if FDR had lived through his fourth term? I think, since the other dates are from 1944 and also oscssw mentions about Wallace finishing the tail end of the term - he wasn't VP after 1944 so that wouldn't fit in with him taking over - that is a typo and oscssw meant FDR died in July 25, 1944 not 1948. That would fit with MacArthur being elected in Nov 44 and then dealing with Stalin and Churchill and the tail end of WWII.
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Post by oscssw on Aug 30, 2024 1:35:58 GMT
Been mulling over Dug Mac as president of the USA in WW II ATL: 1. On March 3, 1944 General Douglas MacArthur and his staff flying on his transport Bataan make a crash landing that kills all his top aids and leaves the general injured to the point he requires two months in a stateside hospital before being medically discharged from the US Army. 2. July 25, 1948 1944 FDR dies peacefully in his sleep 3. Henry A Wallace finishes out FDR's term The man was no FDR and he had been very badly treated by FDR and his trusted subordinates so he Fires Marshall, King and Nimitz replacing them by officers who would be more loyal to himself. 4. August 1944 Doug Mac is nominated as the GOP presidential candidate 5. November 1944 Douglas MacArthur is elected POTUS with a GOP majority in the Senate. 6. Mac absolutely HATED Communism so how does he deal with Uncle Joe? 7. Mac did not have the excellent relationship FDR had with our most important ally Churchill. IMO Churchill would far more likely to convince Mac to go along with his own agenda than FDR was. 8. As one of the greatest generals of all time, at least in his own mind, how would Mac change important military appointments, war priorities and strategy. That should be enough to generate a discussion. Have fun Interesting, so FDR mange to live out 3 more year, so i wonder did he order the dropping of the bombs on Japan.  |
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Post by lordroel on Aug 30, 2024 4:35:14 GMT
Interesting, so FDR mange to live out 3 more year, so i wonder did he order the dropping of the bombs on Japan. So now we have World War III in 1950, if MacArthur dropped the bomb in 1945 and if he won a second term in 1948. |
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Post by stevep on Aug 30, 2024 12:53:15 GMT
Interesting, so FDR mange to live out 3 more year, so i wonder did he order the dropping of the bombs on Japan.
To avoid confusion could you change the thread title as that also has 1948 as the PoD. Since its the 1st thing people see its likely to mislead a lot of people.
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Post by lordroel on Aug 30, 2024 13:05:08 GMT
HA HA HA you got me on that one I should have written 1944 To avoid confusion could you change the thread title as that also has 1948 as the PoD. Since its the 1st thing people see its likely to mislead a lot of people. Steve
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Post by stevep on Aug 30, 2024 13:18:00 GMT
To avoid confusion could you change the thread title as that also has 1948 as the PoD. Since its the 1st thing people see its likely to mislead a lot of people. Steve
Done.
lordroel, Thanks however while the thread heading has been changed the thread description is still displaying 1948. |
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Post by lordroel on Aug 30, 2024 13:20:05 GMT
lordroel, Thanks however while the thread heading has been changed the thread description is still displaying 1948. Yes, it seems that is a issues with changing thread titles, it sometimes helps my typing the words again to see a effect. |
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Post by Max Sinister on Aug 31, 2024 16:12:37 GMT
Sounds pretty horrible. "MacA" wasn't half the general he and his fans thought to be. And he's not exactly the man I'd hand over nukes. What do you mean that FDR treated Wallace badly? He certainly trusted him enough to give him man responsibilities, to the point that Wallace was called his "Assisting President". The most important question will be of course: Who'll lead the war in the Pacific instead of him? Actually, I've also considered a TL where FDR dies in July 1944. Let's just say it'll lead to big repercussions. But then, they've already been created since the PoD.
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Post by stevep on Aug 31, 2024 18:46:27 GMT
Sounds pretty horrible. "MacA" wasn't half the general he and his fans thought to be. And he's not exactly the man I'd hand over nukes. What do you mean that FDR treated Wallace badly? He certainly trusted him enough to give him man responsibilities, to the point that Wallace was called his "Assisting President". The most important question will be of course: Who'll lead the war in the Pacific instead of him? Actually, I've also considered a TL where FDR dies in July 1944. Let's just say it'll lead to big repercussions. But then, they've already been created since the PoD.
It might be referring to FDR dropping Wallace as his VP in the 44 election although not sure whether that decision had been taken yet.
I am doubtful that Wallace would act as suggested in sacking leading military men although something like that might be necessary for any Republican candidate to get a win in 44. Or possibly a bitter fight for the Democratic candidacy which weakens the party considerable.
Agree that I wouldn't trust MacArthur with nukes. Although given the vacancies in the military would he be willing to give up his military career as he would have to resign to be a potential presidential candidate.
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Post by Max Sinister on Aug 31, 2024 18:56:52 GMT
The decision was taken when the Democrats had their convention. Took many votes until Truman became the Running Mate.
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Post by stevep on Sept 1, 2024 9:48:22 GMT
The decision was taken when the Democrats had their convention. Took many votes until Truman became the Running Mate.
That's what I was thinking. Hence some time after FDR's death here and Wallace spends nearly 4 months as President. It could be if he was as rash as oscssw suggests you could see a bitter challenge in which he's defeated for the nomination and the party is divided enough for a Republic, even one as controversial as Mac to get in.
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Post by oscssw on Sept 2, 2024 15:32:25 GMT
HA HA HA you got me on that one I should have written 1944 So now we have World War III in 1950, if MacArthur dropped the bomb in 1945 and if he won a second term in 1948.  If he uses the nukes AND FOLLOWS GEORGE PATTONS IDEA OF USING THE HUGE US MILITARY IN EUROPE TO MOP UP WHAT REMAINS OF THE RED ARMY he kills the monster COMMUNISM before Joe is handed the A bomb by the traitors woking the Manhattan project. Soviets blasted back to the Stone Age means Mao and his genocidal followers are defeated and therefore will not be the threat to Western civilization they ARE NOW so no COLD WAR! The eastern Block slave "People's Republics" are free to decide their own destiny. They're Arte NO wars of "National Liberation", fueled by Soviet might. This allows people to continue on their path to independence in a more natural way than under communist puppet leaders. Africa has a chance to actually mature into civilized western style nations as does South America. The Middle East is not supplied with the vast quantity of weapons that allowed their natural genocidal hatreds the scope they had cubed the Soviets. Western Civilization continues to dominate this planet and its benefits are spread throughout the so called 3rd world. Blood Treasure and attention of the major power, the USA, is not wasted on war. NO NATO so the euros have to defend themselves. |
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