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Post by stevep on Apr 5, 2024 15:06:44 GMT
That sounds very good in terms of the allied forces armoured units material status. How much the tactics and doctrine have been upgraded, especially in terms of combined arms operations. Hopefully at least the gap has closed a lot and the Germans are probably struggling to maintain their standards and failing to maintain quantity.
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Post by 575 on Apr 5, 2024 16:25:12 GMT
That sounds very good in terms of the allied forces armoured units material status. How much the tactics and doctrine have been upgraded, especially in terms of combined arms operations. Hopefully at least the gap has closed a lot and the Germans are probably struggling to maintain their standards and failing to maintain quantity. Thanks; well you nailed it - the Germans are paying for not doing stuff right from the beginning such as building the PzIII they way it should as they engaged heavier armoured tanks they their own that had the ability to fight back effectively.
The British and French are still in the wrong alley of Cruiser and Infantry tanks - French style Cavalry and Breakthrough tanks. Though they are beginning to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Also their economic strength and control of the Seas are made felt.
The Germans have serious problem which will be highlightet in the next post.
The gap is closing but I expect the Germans to be able to shore up defences for quite some time yet. After all they did last slightly more than 4 years last round!
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Post by stevep on Apr 5, 2024 19:41:51 GMT
That sounds very good in terms of the allied forces armoured units material status. How much the tactics and doctrine have been upgraded, especially in terms of combined arms operations. Hopefully at least the gap has closed a lot and the Germans are probably struggling to maintain their standards and failing to maintain quantity. Thanks; well you nailed it - the Germans are paying for not doing stuff right from the beginning such as building the PzIII they way it should as they engaged heavier armoured tanks they their own that had the ability to fight back effectively.
The British and French are still in the wrong alley of Cruiser and Infantry tanks - French style Cavalry and Breakthrough tanks. Though they are beginning to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Also their economic strength and control of the Seas are made felt.
The Germans have serious problem which will be highlightet in the next post.
The gap is closing but I expect the Germans to be able to shore up defences for quite some time yet. After all they did last slightly more than 4 years last round!
True but that was with vastly more resources, as well as much more ground to give up as the war turned against them. Also the victories in the west and Russia gave the regime a lot of prestige that it won't have here.
I'm not saying they'll collapse in a few months but unless something very bad happens for the allies I think its unlikely the war would last into 1942.
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Post by 575 on Apr 8, 2024 8:55:23 GMT
Thanks; well you nailed it - the Germans are paying for not doing stuff right from the beginning such as building the PzIII they way it should as they engaged heavier armoured tanks they their own that had the ability to fight back effectively.
The British and French are still in the wrong alley of Cruiser and Infantry tanks - French style Cavalry and Breakthrough tanks. Though they are beginning to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Also their economic strength and control of the Seas are made felt.
The Germans have serious problem which will be highlightet in the next post.
The gap is closing but I expect the Germans to be able to shore up defences for quite some time yet. After all they did last slightly more than 4 years last round!
True but that was with vastly more resources, as well as much more ground to give up as the war turned against them. Also the victories in the west and Russia gave the regime a lot of prestige that it won't have here.
I'm not saying they'll collapse in a few months but unless something very bad happens for the allies I think its unlikely the war would last into 1942.
1942 - tempted to agree though I'll have to do some more digging for facts. Though the WAllies need more time to get their shit together and be able to overrun the Germans.
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Post by stevep on Apr 8, 2024 17:49:09 GMT
True but that was with vastly more resources, as well as much more ground to give up as the war turned against them. Also the victories in the west and Russia gave the regime a lot of prestige that it won't have here.
I'm not saying they'll collapse in a few months but unless something very bad happens for the allies I think its unlikely the war would last into 1942.
1942 - tempted to agree though I'll have to do some more digging for facts. Though the WAllies need more time to get their shit together and be able to overrun the Germans.
I would agree but the Germans are facing both considerable material problems and also are likely to see a lot of internal unrest.
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Post by 575 on Apr 10, 2024 11:03:30 GMT
Panzers and such The Germans had learned the hard way that the PzIII had been under-gunned from the outset. The effort to standardize Infantry AT- and Panzer gun-ammunition had led to 37mm being the caliber of the PzIII. The Germans had had the foresight of keeping the larger turret-ring of the original design of the PzIII for the 50mm gun but that was now wanting as chromium was. Which also led for the Infantry relying on their obsolete 37mm AT-gun. The Germans prioritized the 50mm gun for the PzIII to see change when available or as vehicles from the Polish campaign would be salvaged and made operational – which due to the situation was also a lengthy process.
The PzIV had been designed as a close-support vehicle of Infantry not unlike the Infantry Tanks of the WAllied powers though much more mobile and faster able to keep pace with the PzIII and light tanks. As such it sported a short barrel 75mm gun which to render it able to combat tanks had been provided with a developed HEAT shell; this being by now the almost sole shell produced for the PzIV. This shell had also been supplied for 75mm AA-guns often acting as AT-guns giving them a cheaper shell that made less wear on the barrel and still with decent range and more than decent armourpenetration. Still all this meant changes in the production line which the Nazi-system not really favoured i.e. the various leaders of those parts making up the production line didn't as it often would make them look like lagging in relation to those getting like the production of the 75mm HEAT shells.
Another Nazi-leader that saw his position twarted was H. Himmler; the lack of trucks had prevented his SS-Polizei Infantry Division from being motorized and eventually prevented other motorized formations raised by the SS during the French Campaign. More crucially Himmler was unable to use the weapons of the former Czechoslovak Army as these had been overseen by OKW and in some way by Auswärtiges Amt (Foreign Ministry) Governor of Bohemia-Moravia Konstantin v. Neurath former Minister of Foreign Affairs. Due to the imperative of raising more Infantry Divisions faster than anticipated the OKW had requested the stored Czech arms for use by the mobilizing Infantry Divisions. The Czech Tanks already enrolled into the Panzer formations and doing sterling service there. Himmler didn't dare complain to Hitler so as not to be seen as weak but instead tried inflicting delays on production for the OKW and redicrecting these to the Waffen-SS.
Adolph Hitler had experienced the famine of the Great War brought on by the Allied Blockade which even the defeat of Russia hadn't really been able to negate though such was to a large extend the objective of the Brest-Litovsk Peace settlement. Thus Hitler had promised the German peoples no repeat of the Great War famine and loss of children. Now the continued war and WAllied blockade began to take its toll on Germany; shipments either had to cross the sea and be scrutinized by the WAllied Navies when approaching Germany such as Scandinavia; though that remained an open window not much coming that way.
Still Denmark was selling large amounts of agricultural produce as was the Netherlands but both also wanted to trade with Britain. In order not to interfere with the Danish export it had been an agreement if silent that Submarines operating in the North Sea didn't attack Danish Merchantmen though such at times did happen. Such Merchantmen sailing in British Convoy to Norway was another matter. With Germany not able to sell the amount of coal Denmark would want Danish Merchantmen would carry coal on the return from Britain – and usually the Germans wouldn't interfere and with the huge losses in Submarines became less able to do so.
The route from Turkey which didn't mind delivering foodstuffs to Germany and which its treaty partners Britain and France didn't want or need to buy had a difficult way to Germany. Of course trains still ran across the Balkans though shipping would be preferred. During the Winter this hadn't been a possible on the Danube which had frozen. Italy and Spain didn't mind exports to Germany. Italy wanting coal for its industry and heating found Germany not much willing to trade and looked to Britain; Spain still in the wake of the Civil War only ending two years prior was still in rebuilding and wanting oil which it mainly got from the USA. Then the Soviets – the Soviets. Complaining of difficulties in meeting agreed numbers of deliveries kept delivering less. Though some imports were delivered in Vladivostok for transport to Germany by rail the Soviets complained of problems in maintenance which was difficult in Sibiria during winter when everything was frozen or during summer when the ground was too soft to move off the railway. Hitler had hoped for come spring and summer things would change to the better but not much would happen. Not that people would starve but the window at the butcher's or grocer's would just show less diversity than usual and about every month more would be absent. The most important import besides oil – rubber – also suffered forcing Germany to divert part of oilproduction to make rubber for tires for Trucks, Aircraft and Tanktracks. Part of an oilproduction that stemmed from Haber-Bosch Process works of turning coal into fuel to keep Luftwaffe flying on high-octane unpolluted fuel. Which also got worse and which a cold winter hadn't made any better as fuel for heathing homes had to be diverted too. Even Romania was difficult to get to make increased shipments beyond agreements though the thawing of the Danube had made regular shipments possible.
Himmler had promised to keep the possible dissent down – which the beginning failure of foodstuffs deliveries becoming noticed had made a rising issue internally – though Himmler didn't seem to notice such at the moment. ”Der treue Heinrich” (the true Heinrich) even distancing himself form the matter complaining of his Police being drafted into the Heer to fill gaps. OKW and even Luftwaffe had begun complaining of the situation argueing that the frontline was becoming ever more difficult to maintain as the WAllies was getting the grib on Panzer-krieg and war in the skies.
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Post by stevep on Apr 10, 2024 15:17:47 GMT
Interesting here its the Soviets dragging their feet on supplies whereas OTL, at least come 1941 it was the Germans doing so while Stalin was eager to meet supply targets to appease the Germans. Which given how effective appeasement wasn't in the late 30's he should have known was a bloody stupid idea,
Shortages are biting all around for the Germans, both military and civilian. Its only going to get worse, especially if more offensives result in heavy losses and draining resources faster but I think both the military and even more so the Nazis will want to do something aggressive to try and change things.
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Post by Max Sinister on Apr 10, 2024 22:30:51 GMT
The Wehrmacht used 2,000 different types of vehicles which needed more than a million different spare parts! That'd be a challenge to administrate all of that even with modern computers and databases, which they didn't have of course.
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Post by 575 on Apr 11, 2024 7:10:22 GMT
The Wehrmacht used 2,000 different types of vehicles which needed more than a million different spare parts! That'd be a challenge to administrate all of that even with modern computers and databases, which they didn't have of course. Very good information - prior to the fall of France I read they burned through their trucks faster than factory delivery output. This will only increase the effect.
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Post by 575 on Apr 11, 2024 17:49:53 GMT
Lone Wolf Georg Elser had landed in a spot where he got access to much more explosives than he had had at Heidenheim quarry where he had stolen some dynamite. With the huge quantities passing through his hands he managed to build a larger bomb than he had planned initially though his Army service made it imperative that he'd be able to make the preparations faster than he had initially decided upon – using his woodworking skills to conceal the bomb in a wooden pillar at the Bürgerbräukeller at Munich. He had been able to build the space within the wooden pillar but then had to stop due to military call-up. During a short leave he had talked Elsa Härlen mother of his two children into marrying him so that if he was killed she would get a pension. Living rather isolated Elsa went along his scheme. As he only had limited leave he realized he wouldn't be able to carry through his scheme during 1940 as November 8 would be a Friday. He simply wouldn't have the time to place the bomb prior to the Nazi-meeting taking place and make a safe get-away.
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October 1940 PM Neville Chamberlain informed Parliament that he would be resigning his post due to illness; the King had been informed and had on the advice of Chamberlain asked Winston Churchill to form a new Government to carry the struggle on against Germany.
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Post by 575 on Apr 12, 2024 7:58:39 GMT
Negotiating the Soviets At the change of the year for 1941 the WAllied had put out feelers to the Soviet Union through several channels such as the Swedish Government, the Chinese Government and the Embassies in USA and Turkey as well. Stalin didn't trust the WAllies but their still being fighting fit and having cornered Hitler as well as making Mussolini sit tight had him send Molotov off for a meeting in Turkey. The withdrawal from the Levant of the French Motorized Force spoke its own language; the WAllies had been massing their Armour for the August offensive which of course had removed some threat from the Soviet Union from the Mid-East and as such Baku. Both the British and French were rather highhanded but Molotov hadn't expected any less. Their August offensive have proving them still unable to break the German defences but able to push them back in places. Except for a few squarefeet no French territory was occupied by German troops. Molotov knew well from Embassy reports that the WAllies was gearing up their effort even more with the Scandinavians secretly backing them. Factory output was soaring and the anti-Communist propaganda had worked well in France. Darn difficult to beat such ingrained emotions. Idiots. Problem being that even if the work on defences in the west of Belarus and former Polish occupied territories things weren't going all that well back home. Truck output was still limited and the T-34 Factory still striving to attain the stated numbers of production.
Paris had been attacked by Luftwaffe but with much less damage than the Germans boasted. The French and British bombers escorted by Dewoitine fighters had retaliated bombing Berlin and the Germans were frantically working to set up a better Early Warning line behind the frontlines and along the North Sea coast. The Germans hadn't told the Soviets so but the abrupt decrease in deliveries of technical instruments told its own tale and Radar sites were being setup on the German North Sea islands though with large gaps in the line. Or RAF just violating the Danish aerospace as frequent lame Danish protests of such pointed to. RAF seemed to be getting better at navigation as those Danish protests didn't speak of bombs dropped on Danish territory only about violations by aircraft. Very interesting and very worrying. Molotov well knew Stalin not to trust the WAllies certainly not the British but it had been a joint feeler and perhaps Stalin had found the numbers to add up. Surely he didn't want the Germans defeated all out – exhaustion on both sides would be fine but now it seemed the Germans were on the way down. That hadn't been the anticipation – Great War 2.0 would be fine. Here the rules had seen a change. The WAllies demanded a return to pre-War borders in the East as the Soviets had partaken in destroying Poland. Molotov informed them that the 1921 Peace of Riga was void and anyway the WAllies hadn't guaranteed the Polish borders against the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union would keep the areas that Poland had annexed 1921 but had no claims to lands – Polish or German – to the west of the present western Soviet border. The WAllies informed Molotov that the guarantees to Romania and Greece still being in force and a Soviet move on Bessarabia was out of the question. Also the WAllies would guarantee the independence of Finland and the Baltic Nations and encouraged the Soviets to pull out its troops from bases in those Nations. Molotov informed the WAllies that he would relay the stance of the WAllies to Stalin and considered the meeting to be at an end. He did however keep the door slightly open as he informed them that future arrangements could be initiated in like maner.
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Post by 575 on Apr 14, 2024 20:43:27 GMT
The Winter of 1940-41 was as about as bad as the previous had been which taxed the German fuel consumption heavily. It also taxed its soldiers as the earlier Winter as their uniforms were to a large degree made up from modern synthetic fabrics – Germany lacking cotton and wool. The WAllied blockade and Soviet lack of enthusiasm for its Nazi ”ally” served to limit the imports along the route from the Far East. With the Turks more or less in the WAllied camp that too couldn't be relied upon as a cotton supplier. So the German Infantryman would be cold and wet in his trenches and opposite French and British troops with woolen underwear.
It was clear to the WAllies that the Luftwaffe tempo of operations had declined since the May 1940 offensive and the bombings of primarly French cities now seemed a last stroke of earlier capacity – it was declining too. The British took the view that their prioritizing Aircraft production had been proven right.
The WAllied Strategic Bombing was intensifying; the RAF had solved the intial troubles of mounting cannon on the Spitfire and was developing long-range droptanks as well as utilizing the rather large empty sphere being the pilotseat for a second internal fueltank though that was disliked by pilots as it changed the balance of the aircraft significantly. To solve the issue the production of droptanks would be prioritized which prevented RAF from utilizing Fighter cover for the Bombers at long range essentially limiting such attacks to be carried out at night. The French was utilizing the longrange Dewoitine themselves in their operations. From the outset the Dewoitine D520 had been designed with carrying more fuel than other fighter designs making it capable of longer range though they also adopted the RAF droptank to give the fighter an extra edge in range and time over the target to provide as much support of the bombers. The production of the new four engine Strategic Bombers the Block 162 and Breguet 482 had been running for a few months making the French able to step up their part of this kind of warfare though still few in numbers. With the bombing of French cities the French Government and the General Staff had dismissed all previous reservations of risking bombing German cities.
The various Air-attachés of Berlin was well aware that something had happened in the skies – with Fighter escort the WAllied bombruns was carried out in daylight and the escorting Fighters visible. At night the city would be hit again quite possibly by the RAF. These periods of continueing day and night raids was overtaxing the German Firebrigade and new units of Damage control was being set up – though these needed manpower which would only come from the numbers of men on the Frontlines. The talks of the events of course being relayed to Staffs back home. The VVS became busy measuring the range from eastern France and East Anglia to Berlin! And then from the western Soviet border into the East.
Luftwaffe had been struggling with setting up an Early Warning chain on the North Sea islands wanting these as far off the coast as possible to give as much warning as possible to get Fighters into the air for interception. The problem wasn't as much the materiel though production was falling behind schedule nor Pilots as Major Wolfgang Falck had proven himself a Night Fighter Ace but the tying together of the various elements to make for a working system without internal friction or at least as little as possible. A certain officer Josef Kammhuber had been Chief of Staff of AirFleet 2 though losses in the October 1939 attack had necessiated his taking command of a Fighter Gruppe and he had been shot down over Belgium and taken prisoner. Eventually things would be sorted out; it just took a longer time than it might.
Another matter being the defence of the German cities; as foodstuffs dwindled during Winter and with mounting numbers of WAllied airattacks on German infrastructure and industry - which often would be located in parts of cities - Hitler decided to recall several AA-Regiments from the frontlines where they dubbed as AT-guns against the heavily armoured WAllied tanks. Hitler was insistent; he had promised the Germans not being harmed by a new war. As with the fuel and foodstuffs issue he had to do it. However his real motivation was to keep up production and in order to do so he had to secure the industry and railway-net from damage and destruction and also keep the industrial workers alive.
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Post by stevep on Apr 14, 2024 23:52:46 GMT
The Winter of 1940-41 was as about as bad as the previous had been which taxed the German fuel consumption heavily. It also taxed its soldiers as the earlier Winter as their uniforms were to a large degree made up from modern synthetic fabrics – Germany lacking cotton and wool. The WAllied blockade and Soviet lack of enthusiasm for its Nazi ”ally” served to limit the imports along the route from the Far East. With the Turks more or less in the WAllied camp that too couldn't be relied upon as a cotton supplier. So the German Infantryman would be cold and wet in his trenches and opposite French and British troops with woolen underwear. It was clear to the WAllies that the Luftwaffe tempo of operations had declined since the May 1940 offensive and the bombings of primarly French cities now seemed a last stroke of earlier capacity – it was declining too. The British took the view that their prioritizing Aircraft production had been proven right. The WAllied Strategic Bombing was intensifying; the RAF had solved the intial troubles of mounting cannon on the Spitfire and was developing long-range droptanks as well as utilizing the rather large empty sphere being the pilotseat for a second internal fueltank though that was disliked by pilots as it changed the balance of the aircraft significantly. To solve the issue the production of droptanks would be prioritized which prevented RAF from utilizing Fighter cover for the Bombers at long range essentially limiting such attacks to be carried out at night. The French was utilizing the longrange Dewoitine themselves in their operations. From the outset the Dewoitine D520 had been designed with carrying more fuel than other fighter designs making it capable of longer range though they also adopted the RAF droptank to give the fighter an extra edge in range and time over the target to provide as much support of the bombers. The production of the new four engine Strategic Bombers the Block 162 and Breguet 482 had been running for a few months making the French able to step up their part of this kind of warfare though still few in numbers. With the bombing of French cities the French Government and the General Staff had dismissed all previous reservations of risking bombing German cities. The various Air-attachés of Berlin was well aware that something had happened in the skies – with Fighter escort the WAllied bombruns was carried out in daylight and the escorting Fighters visible. At night the city would be hit again quite possibly by the RAF. These periods of continueing day and night raids was overtaxing the German Firebrigade and new units of Damage control was being set up – though these needed manpower which would only come from the numbers of men on the Frontlines. The talks of the events of course being relayed to Staffs back home. The VVS became busy measuring the range from eastern France and East Anglia to Berlin! And then from the western Soviet border into the East. Luftwaffe had been struggling with setting up an Early Warning chain on the North Sea islands wanting these as far off the coast as possible to give as much warning as possible to get Fighters into the air for interception. The problem wasn't as much the materiel though production was falling behind schedule nor Pilots as Major Wolfgang Falck had proven himself a Night Fighter Ace but the tying together of the various elements to make for a working system without internal friction or at least as little as possible. A certain officer Josef Kammhuber had been Chief of Staff of AirFleet 2 though losses in the October 1939 attack had necessiated his taking command of a Fighter Gruppe and he had been shot down over Belgium and taken prisoner. Eventually things would be sorted out; it just took a longer time than it might. Another matter being the defence of the German cities; as foodstuffs dwindled during Winter and with mounting numbers of WAllied airattacks on German infrastructure and industry - which often would be located in parts of cities - Hitler decided to recall several AA-Regiments from the frontlines where they dubbed as AT-guns against the heavily armoured WAllied tanks. Hitler was insistent; he had promised the Germans not being harmed by a new war. As with the fuel and foodstuffs issue he had to do it. However his real motivation was to keep up production and in order to do so he had to secure the industry and railway-net from damage and destruction and also keep the industrial workers alive.
Good point in terms of the clothing. Not the sort of thing someone without military experience would think about, thanks. If soldiers are wet and cold that affects both morale and health and the latter in turn is costly, both for the people themselves and the burden of caring for sick men.
In terms of strategic bombing its better going by day as long as you have adequate escort cover but a number of areas, such as the Ruhr were notorious for the poor visibility because of heavy industry in the region and of course in winter there are additional issues. At the same time it would be better hammering the Ruhr, especially if you can operate from eastern France, than Berlin as the additional distance is a killer both in terms of wear and tear on aircraft and also making it easier for the air defence to react.
One other point, can't remember if its been discussed before but you could really turn the screw further on the German economy and also impact military logistics by mining waterways, especially the Rhine. This could be done by bombing or simply by dropping mines in the river from the French side. OTL I think Britain was suggesting this but France was reluctant due to fear of reaction. However after the bombing of their cities attitudes could change in Paris. It would cause problems for the Dutch as well of course and be an issue as their neutral but might well be worth the effort.
You can do something in terms of passive defence against bombing, i.e. air raid warnings, beefing up fire brigades without taking too many men from the front by having volunteers involved as in Britain but of course that distracts somewhat from their day jobs and is a drag on civilian morale unless they think the war can still be won. Given many will be remembering the horrors of WWI - on the home front as well as in the military areas - and Germany hasn't had the OTL spectacular early successes poor morale doesn't just mean potential unrest but also more apathy and reluctance to go the extra mile to support the war effort. Plus pulling AA guns back from the front of course means their not available there. The noose is definitely tightening.
With that line above the VVS isn't that the Soviet air force? If so it suggests either a timely back-stab is being considered or their concerned about what an established and experienced strategic bomber force might do operating against them?
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Post by 575 on Apr 15, 2024 8:31:34 GMT
The Winter of 1940-41 was as about as bad as the previous had been which taxed the German fuel consumption heavily. It also taxed its soldiers as the earlier Winter as their uniforms were to a large degree made up from modern synthetic fabrics – Germany lacking cotton and wool. The WAllied blockade and Soviet lack of enthusiasm for its Nazi ”ally” served to limit the imports along the route from the Far East. With the Turks more or less in the WAllied camp that too couldn't be relied upon as a cotton supplier. So the German Infantryman would be cold and wet in his trenches and opposite French and British troops with woolen underwear. It was clear to the WAllies that the Luftwaffe tempo of operations had declined since the May 1940 offensive and the bombings of primarly French cities now seemed a last stroke of earlier capacity – it was declining too. The British took the view that their prioritizing Aircraft production had been proven right. The WAllied Strategic Bombing was intensifying; the RAF had solved the intial troubles of mounting cannon on the Spitfire and was developing long-range droptanks as well as utilizing the rather large empty sphere being the pilotseat for a second internal fueltank though that was disliked by pilots as it changed the balance of the aircraft significantly. To solve the issue the production of droptanks would be prioritized which prevented RAF from utilizing Fighter cover for the Bombers at long range essentially limiting such attacks to be carried out at night. The French was utilizing the longrange Dewoitine themselves in their operations. From the outset the Dewoitine D520 had been designed with carrying more fuel than other fighter designs making it capable of longer range though they also adopted the RAF droptank to give the fighter an extra edge in range and time over the target to provide as much support of the bombers. The production of the new four engine Strategic Bombers the Block 162 and Breguet 482 had been running for a few months making the French able to step up their part of this kind of warfare though still few in numbers. With the bombing of French cities the French Government and the General Staff had dismissed all previous reservations of risking bombing German cities. The various Air-attachés of Berlin was well aware that something had happened in the skies – with Fighter escort the WAllied bombruns was carried out in daylight and the escorting Fighters visible. At night the city would be hit again quite possibly by the RAF. These periods of continueing day and night raids was overtaxing the German Firebrigade and new units of Damage control was being set up – though these needed manpower which would only come from the numbers of men on the Frontlines. The talks of the events of course being relayed to Staffs back home. The VVS became busy measuring the range from eastern France and East Anglia to Berlin! And then from the western Soviet border into the East. Luftwaffe had been struggling with setting up an Early Warning chain on the North Sea islands wanting these as far off the coast as possible to give as much warning as possible to get Fighters into the air for interception. The problem wasn't as much the materiel though production was falling behind schedule nor Pilots as Major Wolfgang Falck had proven himself a Night Fighter Ace but the tying together of the various elements to make for a working system without internal friction or at least as little as possible. A certain officer Josef Kammhuber had been Chief of Staff of AirFleet 2 though losses in the October 1939 attack had necessiated his taking command of a Fighter Gruppe and he had been shot down over Belgium and taken prisoner. Eventually things would be sorted out; it just took a longer time than it might. Another matter being the defence of the German cities; as foodstuffs dwindled during Winter and with mounting numbers of WAllied airattacks on German infrastructure and industry - which often would be located in parts of cities - Hitler decided to recall several AA-Regiments from the frontlines where they dubbed as AT-guns against the heavily armoured WAllied tanks. Hitler was insistent; he had promised the Germans not being harmed by a new war. As with the fuel and foodstuffs issue he had to do it. However his real motivation was to keep up production and in order to do so he had to secure the industry and railway-net from damage and destruction and also keep the industrial workers alive.
Good point in terms of the clothing. Not the sort of thing someone without military experience would think about, thanks. If soldiers are wet and cold that affects both morale and health and the latter in turn is costly, both for the people themselves and the burden of caring for sick men.
In terms of strategic bombing its better going by day as long as you have adequate escort cover but a number of areas, such as the Ruhr were notorious for the poor visibility because of heavy industry in the region and of course in winter there are additional issues. At the same time it would be better hammering the Ruhr, especially if you can operate from eastern France, than Berlin as the additional distance is a killer both in terms of wear and tear on aircraft and also making it easier for the air defence to react.
One other point, can't remember if its been discussed before but you could really turn the screw further on the German economy and also impact military logistics by mining waterways, especially the Rhine. This could be done by bombing or simply by dropping mines in the river from the French side. OTL I think Britain was suggesting this but France was reluctant due to fear of reaction. However after the bombing of their cities attitudes could change in Paris. It would cause problems for the Dutch as well of course and be an issue as their neutral but might well be worth the effort.
You can do something in terms of passive defence against bombing, i.e. air raid warnings, beefing up fire brigades without taking too many men from the front by having volunteers involved as in Britain but of course that distracts somewhat from their day jobs and is a drag on civilian morale unless they think the war can still be won. Given many will be remembering the horrors of WWI - on the home front as well as in the military areas - and Germany hasn't had the OTL spectacular early successes poor morale doesn't just mean potential unrest but also more apathy and reluctance to go the extra mile to support the war effort. Plus pulling AA guns back from the front of course means their not available there. The noose is definitely tightening.
With that line above the VVS isn't that the Soviet air force? If so it suggests either a timely back-stab is being considered or their concerned about what an established and experienced strategic bomber force might do operating against them?
Having spent the night outside at watch in -26C I know about the means of dressing up right. We found that straw in the boots insulated much more than anything else!
Yes You mentioned the mining of the Rhine earlier - forgot about it. It would for some problems for the Dutch as You point to but a warning of the potential problem and reparations might satisfy them.
VVS certainly is the Soviet AF. More in the next post.
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Post by 575 on Apr 15, 2024 8:33:49 GMT
One outcome of these developments were Stalin reconsidering his stance; with Germany going down the slide and the WAllies becoming more powerfull his hopes of scooping up the spoils of the War post it deminished. He could decide to fulfill his trade obligations with Hitler to make the German able to withstand the WAllied pressure or he could pull the plug and hope for the best. He decided to do the only sane thing – appearing forthcoming to the WAllies and supply Germany the agreed amounts and await its victory. If the WAllies would renew its feelers Molotov would go to Istanbul again to stall.
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