stevep
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Post by stevep on Jul 19, 2023 8:09:37 GMT
That's an odd reversal of your stance on another thread when you were insisting that a ramshackled railway route through the Balkans was a better option than sea travel.
Plus the advantages of sea travel is well known as we're already said but that has little/nothing to do with the idea that occupying a region several hundred miles to the east controls the entire Pacific.
Not the same. The Dardenelles and Bosporus could be mined and blocked by small forces and were. The southwest route into Bulgaria presented a horrible mountain terrain problem, but was still militarily easier than trying to force the straits. The stupid Entente idiots in charge were just barely capable of that evolution. And what has that orange got to do with this apple?
Everything. You tried changing the subject from control of a section of the Pacific that as I point out and you now agree is primary important for the direct route between N America and China to the superior efficiency of water transport over that by land. I pointed out both that was a moving of the goalposts and that you had claimed the opposite in another thread,
Yes - while enemy forces occupy any part of the straits they can easily block movement through them. Similarly while they control any part of Bulgaria or Turkey that the railway goes through they can even more easily block movement along that. The latter is more difficult for the allies to clear as their naval power and logistics - superiority of water transport again - can't be used to help in the clearing of enemy positions. Furthermore since the suggestion was this would be after the fall of Serbia, which means Bulgaria could get direct Austro-German as well as Turkish support as opposed to an unsupported Turkish state in early 1915.
The important part in the US's ability to threaten Japan's survival was not the ocean region you mentioned, which they occupied to secure a buffer and remove an hostile German presence but the already existing US occupation of the Philippines which was far more threatening.
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miletus12
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Post by miletus12 on Jul 19, 2023 14:17:57 GMT
Not the same. The Dardenelles and Bosporus could be mined and blocked by small forces and were. The southwest route into Bulgaria presented a horrible mountain terrain problem, but was still militarily easier than trying to force the straits. The stupid Entente idiots in charge were just barely capable of that evolution. And what has that orange got to do with this apple?
Everything. You tried changing the subject from control of a section of the Pacific that as I point out and you now agree is primary important for the direct route between N America and China to the superior efficiency of water transport over that by land. I pointed out both that was a moving of the goalposts and that you had claimed the opposite in another thread,
Yes - while enemy forces occupy any part of the straits they can easily block movement through them. Similarly while they control any part of Bulgaria or Turkey that the railway goes through they can even more easily block movement along that. The latter is more difficult for the allies to clear as their naval power and logistics - superiority of water transport again - can't be used to help in the clearing of enemy positions. Furthermore since the suggestion was this would be after the fall of Serbia, which means Bulgaria could get direct Austro-German as well as Turkish support as opposed to an unsupported Turkish state in early 1915.
The important part in the US's ability to threaten Japan's survival was not the ocean region you mentioned, which they occupied to secure a buffer and remove an hostile German presence but the already existing US occupation of the Philippines which was far more threatening.
. You missed the part about how straits actually work? The US illegal occupation of the Philippine Islands, by contrast, was an airpower submarine infestation across islands dotted across sea lines of communication problem. The Islands were an untenable occupation unless that quadrangle was in US possession. 
IOW, like a Corbettist, you fail to understand how it all actually works. |
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Post by lordroel on Jul 19, 2023 14:50:32 GMT
Everything. You tried changing the subject from control of a section of the Pacific that as I point out and you now agree is primary important for the direct route between N America and China to the superior efficiency of water transport over that by land. I pointed out both that was a moving of the goalposts and that you had claimed the opposite in another thread, Yes - while enemy forces occupy any part of the straits they can easily block movement through them. Similarly while they control any part of Bulgaria or Turkey that the railway goes through they can even more easily block movement along that. The latter is more difficult for the allies to clear as their naval power and logistics - superiority of water transport again - can't be used to help in the clearing of enemy positions. Furthermore since the suggestion was this would be after the fall of Serbia, which means Bulgaria could get direct Austro-German as well as Turkish support as opposed to an unsupported Turkish state in early 1915. The important part in the US's ability to threaten Japan's survival was not the ocean region you mentioned, which they occupied to secure a buffer and remove an hostile German presence but the already existing US occupation of the Philippines which was far more threatening.
. You missed the part about how straits actually work? The US illegal occupation of the Philippine Islands, by contrast, was an airpower submarine infestation across islands dotted across sea lines of communication problem. The Islands were an untenable occupation unless that quadrangle was in US possession.
IOW, like a Corbettist, you fail to understand how it all actually works. |
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miletus12
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Post by miletus12 on Jul 19, 2023 16:47:32 GMT
Okay, discuses the subject, not go this route, understood. Lost my temper, apologies. Miletus |
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