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Post by 575 on Feb 19, 2023 10:16:39 GMT
Copenhagen 9 April 1940 The US and Japanese Ministers were both interested in obtaining Danish weaponry for their nations – the US for the Union troops the Japanese to counter the Russians in the Far East once that power would show up there and eventually or prior take on China. I hope the 1940 Danish Government keep a close eye out that nothing happens at DISA (company), they do not want to see some Madsen machine gun, Schouboe Automatic Pistol among other ending up traveling to the other side of the world. Well I'm not too sure on that; depends upon how the state is financed in this new world. Denmark of 1940 was very lenient on arms sale so its a destinct possibility though perhaps the Sino-Japanese Wars since 1932 will be a deterrent. At least the Social Liberals won't like any such but they are a distinct minority. Russia is an ally though here there is no Danish Tsarina so that may well change - thus no 1903 sale to Russia.. perhaps. The USA may be another kettle of fish due to possible oil sale to Denmark.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 19, 2023 10:23:43 GMT
Well I'm not too sure on that; depends upon how the state is financed in this new world. Denmark of 1940 was very lenient on arms sale so its a destinct possibility though perhaps the Sino-Japanese Wars since 1932 will be a deterrent. At least the Social Liberals won't like any such but they are a distinct minority. Russia is an ally though here there is no Danish Tsarina so that may well change - thus no 1903 sale to Russia.. perhaps. The USA may be another kettle of fish due to possible oil sale to Denmark.
We also must not forget the CSA, but by 1864 they where losing the American Civil War, so i do not think we going to see any change int that outcome. |
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Post by stevep on Feb 19, 2023 11:56:10 GMT
Copenhagen 9 April 1940 List of legates in Denmark (I couldn't find the Diplomatic List of 1940 but assumed the countries that Denmark send Ministers to would also have representation in Denmark – if anybody is able to help out it would be much appreciated – and this post be adjusted): Kingdom of Belgium, British Empire Minister C.H. Smith, Kingdom of Bulgaria, Republic of Estonia Charge d'Affairs August Koern, Republic of Finland, Republic of France, Kingdom of Greece, Kingdom of Italy, Kingdom of Yugoslavia, Republic of Latvia, Republic of Lithuania, Principality of Luxembourg, Principality of Monaco, Kingdom of the Netherlands, Kingdom of Norway Minister August Esmarch, Republic of Poland, Republic of Portugal, Kingdom of Romania, Republic of Switzerland, Soviet Union (due to Stalins purges the Legate N.S. Tikhmenev had been recalled November 1937 and probably not replaced at least the Copenhagen was vacant 1 January 1939), Republic of Spain, Kingdom of Sweden, German Reich Minister Cecil v. Renthe-Fink, Kingdom of Hungary, USA Minister Ray Atherton, Republic of Mexico, Republic of Argentina, Republic of Brazil, Kingdom of Egypt, Empire of Japan, Republic of China, Republic of Turkey. A number of other countries didn't have a Danish Legation but might have had a Legation at Copenhagen. The Legations of course split into an Allied Camp of Britain, France, Poland against the opposition Germany and Soviet Union though this suffered from being leaderless. Pro Germany would be Hungary. Italy and to some extend Spain would be in some kind of orbit of Germany. Estonia, Lativia and Lithuania all eyeing Britain and weary of Soviet Union but 1864 being part of Russia. The Nordics were much pro-Danish – Finland (part of Russia), Norway (not a sovereign nation 1864 but in Personal Union with Sweden) and Sweden (Iceland still in Personal Union with the Kingdom of Denmark). Belgium, Bulgaria, Greece, Yugoslavia, Luxembourg, Monaco, Netherlands, Portugal, Romania, Switzerland, USA, Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, Egypt, Japan, China, Turkey belonged to the neutrals. Besides the already mentioned states not existing in 1864 by that time Austria(part of Nazi-Germany), Hungary and parts of Romania, Czechoslovakia, Poland and Yugoslavia belonged to the Austrian Empire. Bulgaria was barely a state 1864 while Romania and Greece were sovereign such though with a huge Ottoman Empire looming on the borders whose descendant was Turkey which also incorporated Egypt. Italy was still in its formative state by 1864. The Secession of Belgium (and Luxembourg) from the Netherlands had only been reconized by treaty 1839. Thus the various Legates grouped initially along the 1940 alliances primarily and then the situation of 1864 began being debated. The Swedish and Norwegians soon reached agreement on the Swedish Minister to Copenhagen representing both at Stockholm as soon as possible. Legates of states originating from the former Russian Empire to some extend argued to support their host as Denmark usually had been on good relations with that power – the Soviet Consul of course opposed this idea. Those of the former Ottoman Empire lands was in a kind of despair but found consolence in being able to relate the coming history of their nations shedding the Ottoman rule. The German Minister v. Renthe-Fink a Prussian by birth and a Nazi even if a latecomer (1939) but also belonging to the aristocracy though the family had been fairly recently elevated (1820) who had the ultimatum to deliver to the Danish Government once Nazi forces would invade was somewhat off kilter; however he soon made up his mind of representing Prussia. He was wanting to go to Prussia to give council to v. Bismarck and the King William I. Given his previous service and later thoughts about the running of occupied Europe he would probably fit nicely into Bismarck's entourage. In his entourage at the Embassy was the Maritime Attache G. F. Duckwitz also a member of the Nazi Party but who prior to the German roundup of Danish Jews tipped off the Danish Socialdemocratic leaders on the instigation by Werner Best. (possibly a semifictive narrative but the Danes were tipped off prior to the roundup and some 95% of the Jews were shipped to Sweden which agreed to let them in following Danish pressure – history as always wrought with inconsistencies) The US and Japanese Ministers were both interested in obtaining Danish weaponry for their nations – the US for the Union troops the Japanese to counter the Russians in the Far East once that power would show up there and eventually or prior take on China. Thus the various Legations had much differing interests though some the Russian and Ottoman controlled ones but also the Austrian had an interest in cooperating each Minister according to 1940's position and perception though from a much different point than 1864 and some like Yugoslavia had two of the 1864 powers to consider. China had had some very recent experiences of Japanese adventurism and its Minister very much wanted Danish weaponry too to be able to fend off should it happen again. The more immediate need however might be Danish shipbuilding both for Merchanmen but also Warships to try build a basis for a Chinese tradition.
I think given his background the Danish government might want the German delegation to be unable to travel for the duration of the crisis/conflict. He could give too much information to the potential enemy.
If there was a soviet delegation I wonder whether they would want to 'return' to imperial Russia given what their predecessors did to the imperial family?
Similarly would members of a Chinese republican delegation be happy 'returning' to Qing ruled China? Although probably more likely here as they would want to help China and with resent events in that latter country, including the so called 2nd Opium War and the Russian annexation of territories in the north Beijing could be desperate enough to welcome any aid.
I suspect that Denmark will be cautious about any significant transfers of technology, especially anything with a military capacity given for all their current strength their a small nation in a very dangerous situation. Definitely at the moment all military equipment is likely to be needed for a potential clash with Prussia/Austria/Germany. An exception might be made for the US because of hostility towards the CSA but again you would need to get weapons, munitions, spares etc across the Atlantic and enable local sources to support and maintain the equipment.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 19, 2023 12:55:08 GMT
I think given his background the Danish government might want the German delegation to be unable to travel for the duration of the crisis/conflict. He could give too much information to the potential enemy.
What enemy, the Prussians, both the 9 April 1940 Germans in Denmark and the 1 February 1864 Prussians are not at war with 1940 Denmark, so not much the Danish Government can do about it. |
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Post by 575 on Feb 19, 2023 18:03:41 GMT
Copenhagen 9 April 1940 List of legates in Denmark (I couldn't find the Diplomatic List of 1940 but assumed the countries that Denmark send Ministers to would also have representation in Denmark – if anybody is able to help out it would be much appreciated – and this post be adjusted): Kingdom of Belgium, British Empire Minister C.H. Smith, Kingdom of Bulgaria, Republic of Estonia Charge d'Affairs August Koern, Republic of Finland, Republic of France, Kingdom of Greece, Kingdom of Italy, Kingdom of Yugoslavia, Republic of Latvia, Republic of Lithuania, Principality of Luxembourg, Principality of Monaco, Kingdom of the Netherlands, Kingdom of Norway Minister August Esmarch, Republic of Poland, Republic of Portugal, Kingdom of Romania, Republic of Switzerland, Soviet Union (due to Stalins purges the Legate N.S. Tikhmenev had been recalled November 1937 and probably not replaced at least the Copenhagen was vacant 1 January 1939), Republic of Spain, Kingdom of Sweden, German Reich Minister Cecil v. Renthe-Fink, Kingdom of Hungary, USA Minister Ray Atherton, Republic of Mexico, Republic of Argentina, Republic of Brazil, Kingdom of Egypt, Empire of Japan, Republic of China, Republic of Turkey. A number of other countries didn't have a Danish Legation but might have had a Legation at Copenhagen. The Legations of course split into an Allied Camp of Britain, France, Poland against the opposition Germany and Soviet Union though this suffered from being leaderless. Pro Germany would be Hungary. Italy and to some extend Spain would be in some kind of orbit of Germany. Estonia, Lativia and Lithuania all eyeing Britain and weary of Soviet Union but 1864 being part of Russia. The Nordics were much pro-Danish – Finland (part of Russia), Norway (not a sovereign nation 1864 but in Personal Union with Sweden) and Sweden (Iceland still in Personal Union with the Kingdom of Denmark). Belgium, Bulgaria, Greece, Yugoslavia, Luxembourg, Monaco, Netherlands, Portugal, Romania, Switzerland, USA, Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, Egypt, Japan, China, Turkey belonged to the neutrals. Besides the already mentioned states not existing in 1864 by that time Austria(part of Nazi-Germany), Hungary and parts of Romania, Czechoslovakia, Poland and Yugoslavia belonged to the Austrian Empire. Bulgaria was barely a state 1864 while Romania and Greece were sovereign such though with a huge Ottoman Empire looming on the borders whose descendant was Turkey which also incorporated Egypt. Italy was still in its formative state by 1864. The Secession of Belgium (and Luxembourg) from the Netherlands had only been reconized by treaty 1839. Thus the various Legates grouped initially along the 1940 alliances primarily and then the situation of 1864 began being debated. The Swedish and Norwegians soon reached agreement on the Swedish Minister to Copenhagen representing both at Stockholm as soon as possible. Legates of states originating from the former Russian Empire to some extend argued to support their host as Denmark usually had been on good relations with that power – the Soviet Consul of course opposed this idea. Those of the former Ottoman Empire lands was in a kind of despair but found consolence in being able to relate the coming history of their nations shedding the Ottoman rule. The German Minister v. Renthe-Fink a Prussian by birth and a Nazi even if a latecomer (1939) but also belonging to the aristocracy though the family had been fairly recently elevated (1820) who had the ultimatum to deliver to the Danish Government once Nazi forces would invade was somewhat off kilter; however he soon made up his mind of representing Prussia. He was wanting to go to Prussia to give council to v. Bismarck and the King William I. Given his previous service and later thoughts about the running of occupied Europe he would probably fit nicely into Bismarck's entourage. In his entourage at the Embassy was the Maritime Attache G. F. Duckwitz also a member of the Nazi Party but who prior to the German roundup of Danish Jews tipped off the Danish Socialdemocratic leaders on the instigation by Werner Best. (possibly a semifictive narrative but the Danes were tipped off prior to the roundup and some 95% of the Jews were shipped to Sweden which agreed to let them in following Danish pressure – history as always wrought with inconsistencies) The US and Japanese Ministers were both interested in obtaining Danish weaponry for their nations – the US for the Union troops the Japanese to counter the Russians in the Far East once that power would show up there and eventually or prior take on China. Thus the various Legations had much differing interests though some the Russian and Ottoman controlled ones but also the Austrian had an interest in cooperating each Minister according to 1940's position and perception though from a much different point than 1864 and some like Yugoslavia had two of the 1864 powers to consider. China had had some very recent experiences of Japanese adventurism and its Minister very much wanted Danish weaponry too to be able to fend off should it happen again. The more immediate need however might be Danish shipbuilding both for Merchanmen but also Warships to try build a basis for a Chinese tradition.
I think given his background the Danish government might want the German delegation to be unable to travel for the duration of the crisis/conflict. He could give too much information to the potential enemy.
If there was a soviet delegation I wonder whether they would want to 'return' to imperial Russia given what their predecessors did to the imperial family?
Similarly would members of a Chinese republican delegation be happy 'returning' to Qing ruled China? Although probably more likely here as they would want to help China and with resent events in that latter country, including the so called 2nd Opium War and the Russian annexation of territories in the north Beijing could be desperate enough to welcome any aid.
I suspect that Denmark will be cautious about any significant transfers of technology, especially anything with a military capacity given for all their current strength their a small nation in a very dangerous situation. Definitely at the moment all military equipment is likely to be needed for a potential clash with Prussia/Austria/Germany. An exception might be made for the US because of hostility towards the CSA but again you would need to get weapons, munitions, spares etc across the Atlantic and enable local sources to support and maintain the equipment.
When hostilities do break out it will be difficult to travel from Denmark unless You go to Sweden, Norway or Britain. Crossing the Baltic or North Sea to German lands will be a no-no as a Naval Blockade will be implemented.
The Soviet Embassy staff will have to make do on their own. At some point an Imperial Russian Envoy may arrive if only for clarifying matters about Princess Dagmar!
I'm uncertain about this but You make a good point. Perhaps some prying from a safe distance.
Denmark won't transfer any military hardware at the moment - everything will be needed at home for some time. The foreign Ministers may want some but at the time being it will be a question of survival. If the US should be dealt with it would be by establishing a Rifle Works there; all the needed stuff should be around only needs the expertise.
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Post by 575 on Feb 19, 2023 18:12:23 GMT
Christiansborg Palace, Copenhagen PM's office 10 PM
Stauning, Minister of Defence Alsing-Andersen, General Prior, Vice-Admiral Rechnitzer.
Stauning: ”So how are the situation?”
Alsing-Andersen: ”The Navy have asked to recharter the two Icebreakers decommissioned yesterday and also charter a third in light of the new situation – the mobilization of the Covering Force of August 1939 will be issued this evening at 11 PM with special trains readied tomorrow morning at 8 AM and 11 AM.”
Stauning: ”Very good – Commanders do you have other information for me?”
General Prior: ”The mobilizing will be centered in Jutland on the Border, just across it is the Depot and HQ of the 1864 2. General Command which I already have been in touch with and seconded liaison officers to. Some Artillery officers and a couple of Staff officers have been sent to Schleswig and the HQ of General de Meza Commander 1864 Army to inform him of our whereabouts and position.”
Vice-Admiral Rechnitzer: ”Niels Juel mobilization completed at 4 PM; boilers heated at 5 PM and a first cruise of the Oeresound done which revealed the need of Icebreakers. The other partly mobilized units at Copenhagen Base have been readied on 1 hour call. The Coastal Artillery have been mobilized. I don't expect the older ships at Copenhagen Base to be mobilized mainly due to weather.”
Stauning: ”If You have any specific requirements regarding the mobilization order trains destinations and other trivia do inform Minister of Defence so that it may accompany the 11 PM issue – rather ASAP if I may be so blunt. The Minister of Defence and I have decided that Danish Neutrality is to be respected. Intruders must be challenged. States with which Denmark is at war that be 1864 Armed Forces or 1940 Denmark will be treated as such. Do I make myself clear?”
Vice-Admiral Rechnitzer: ”Due to the ice-situation I don't think we will be expecting many breakings of our demarcations on land or at sea. Also I expect Aircraft to soon be doing a lot of the reconnoitering of our Territorial waters; should these be armed for such?”
Alsing-Andersen: ”Yes. If the occasion arise Danish sovereignty must be defended. I expect You to pass that on to the Ship's Commanders Vice-Admiral!”
Vice-Admiral Rechnitzer: ”Very well Minister.”
General Prior: ”Vice-Admiral would it be possible to move the Mineboats (Transport-boats early landing craft with a loading bow now rebuilt without the landing bow unilized as minetransports) to Nakskov? I would like to keep such option open should it arise.”
Vice-Admiral Rechnitzer: ”Ehm, well I didn't expect such and they have been rebuilt as mineboats, but of course I shall give the necessary orders – will that suffice?”
General Prior: ”When will they be ready at Nakskov?”
Vice-Admiral Rechnitzer: ”You are in a hurry – well at the moment the Sea-ice may barr movement but of course we may transport them by railway within a few days. We have to unload the mines to do so.”
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Post by lordroel on Feb 19, 2023 18:19:29 GMT
Vice-Admiral Rechnitzer: ”Ehm, well I didn't expect such and they have been rebuilt as mineboats, but of course I shall give the necessary orders – will that suffice?” Think mines are not needed, the Royal Danish Navy of 1940 has enough firepower to deal with the Prussian and Austria fleet when needed. |
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Post by 575 on Feb 19, 2023 18:28:46 GMT
Vice-Admiral Rechnitzer: ”Ehm, well I didn't expect such and they have been rebuilt as mineboats, but of course I shall give the necessary orders – will that suffice?” Think mines are not needed, the Royal Danish Navy of 1940 has enough firepower to deal with the Prussian and Austria fleet when needed. Not so much a case of Mines as the Mine Barrages have been inactivated due to sea-ice; rather a Man feeling threatened. |
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Post by lordroel on Feb 19, 2023 18:31:03 GMT
Think mines are not needed, the Royal Danish Navy of 1940 has enough firepower to deal with the Prussian and Austria fleet when needed. Not so much a case of Mines as the Mine Barrages have been inactivated due to sea-ice; rather a Man feeling threatened. I asume this order of Battle of OTL April 9th 1940 is no longer in effecht. The positions of the naval units on the 9th of April 1940:Storebælt: Patrol vessel INGOLF, torpedo boats GLENTEN, HØGEN, minesweepers SØLØVEN, SØRIDDEREN, STØREN, minelayer LOSSEN and 4 patrol cutters. Nyborg: Torpedo boat ØRNEN. Lille Bælt: Patrol vessel HVIDBJØRNEN and the guard ship NORDKAPEREN. Frederikshavn: Coast defense ship PEDER SKRAM and the torpedo boats DRAGEN, HVALEN and LAXEN. Aarhus: The submarines HAVFRUEN, HAVMANDEN and HAVKALEN and submarine tender Henrik Gerner. Hirtshals: Patrol vessel HEIMDAL. Esbjerg: Patrol vessel BESKYTTEREN. Slipshavn: Guard ship SÆLEN. Svendborg: Minelayer SIXTUS (undergoing repairs). Søby, Ærø: Minelayer Kvintus. Helsingør: Survey ship FREJA. København: - Holmen: Coast defense ship NIELS IUEL, minesweeper HAVØRNEN, SØHUNDEN, guard ships MAKRELEN and HAVKATTEN plus the submarines DAPHNE, DRYADEN, ROTA and FLORA. - Nordre Toldbod: Patrol vessel ISLANDS FALK. Grønsund (at the minefields): 2 patrol cutters. Stubbekøbing: 2 patrol cutters. Greenland: The patrol cutters TERNEN and MAAGEN. Ships decommissioned, laid up in reserve: - Holmen: The floating workshop GRØNSUND, guard ship HVALROSSEN, mine sweepers SØBJØRNEN, SØULVEN, SPRINGEREN and NARHVALEN, plus submarines BELLONA, RAN, TRITON and GALATHEA. The minelayers LAALAND and LINDORMEN was under construction, and had not yet been commissioned. |
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Post by 575 on Feb 19, 2023 18:39:51 GMT
Not so much a case of Mines as the Mine Barrages have been inactivated due to sea-ice; rather a Man feeling threatened. I asume this order of Battle of OTL April 9th 1940 is no longer in effecht. The positions of the naval units on the 9th of April 1940:Storebælt: Patrol vessel INGOLF, torpedo boats GLENTEN, HØGEN, minesweepers SØLØVEN, SØRIDDEREN, STØREN, minelayer LOSSEN and 4 patrol cutters. Nyborg: Torpedo boat ØRNEN. Lille Bælt: Patrol vessel HVIDBJØRNEN and the guard ship NORDKAPEREN. Frederikshavn: Coast defense ship PEDER SKRAM and the torpedo boats DRAGEN, HVALEN and LAXEN. Aarhus: The submarines HAVFRUEN, HAVMANDEN and HAVKALEN and submarine tender Henrik Gerner. Hirtshals: Patrol vessel HEIMDAL. Esbjerg: Patrol vessel BESKYTTEREN. Slipshavn: Guard ship SÆLEN. Svendborg: Minelayer SIXTUS (undergoing repairs). Søby, Ærø: Minelayer Kvintus. Helsingør: Survey ship FREJA. København: - Holmen: Coast defense ship NIELS IUEL, minesweeper HAVØRNEN, SØHUNDEN, guard ships MAKRELEN and HAVKATTEN plus the submarines DAPHNE, DRYADEN, ROTA and FLORA. - Nordre Toldbod: Patrol vessel ISLANDS FALK. Grønsund (at the minefields): 2 patrol cutters. Stubbekøbing: 2 patrol cutters. Greenland: The patrol cutters TERNEN and MAAGEN. Ships decommissioned, laid up in reserve: - Holmen: The floating workshop GRØNSUND, guard ship HVALROSSEN, mine sweepers SØBJØRNEN, SØULVEN, SPRINGEREN and NARHVALEN, plus submarines BELLONA, RAN, TRITON and GALATHEA. The minelayers LAALAND and LINDORMEN was under construction, and had not yet been commissioned. But certainly - orders to the contrary haven't been issued. |
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Post by lordroel on Feb 19, 2023 18:47:43 GMT
I asume this order of Battle of OTL April 9th 1940 is no longer in effecht. The positions of the naval units on the 9th of April 1940:Storebælt: Patrol vessel INGOLF, torpedo boats GLENTEN, HØGEN, minesweepers SØLØVEN, SØRIDDEREN, STØREN, minelayer LOSSEN and 4 patrol cutters. Nyborg: Torpedo boat ØRNEN. Lille Bælt: Patrol vessel HVIDBJØRNEN and the guard ship NORDKAPEREN. Frederikshavn: Coast defense ship PEDER SKRAM and the torpedo boats DRAGEN, HVALEN and LAXEN. Aarhus: The submarines HAVFRUEN, HAVMANDEN and HAVKALEN and submarine tender Henrik Gerner. Hirtshals: Patrol vessel HEIMDAL. Esbjerg: Patrol vessel BESKYTTEREN. Slipshavn: Guard ship SÆLEN. Svendborg: Minelayer SIXTUS (undergoing repairs). Søby, Ærø: Minelayer Kvintus. Helsingør: Survey ship FREJA. København: - Holmen: Coast defense ship NIELS IUEL, minesweeper HAVØRNEN, SØHUNDEN, guard ships MAKRELEN and HAVKATTEN plus the submarines DAPHNE, DRYADEN, ROTA and FLORA. - Nordre Toldbod: Patrol vessel ISLANDS FALK. Grønsund (at the minefields): 2 patrol cutters. Stubbekøbing: 2 patrol cutters. Greenland: The patrol cutters TERNEN and MAAGEN. Ships decommissioned, laid up in reserve: - Holmen: The floating workshop GRØNSUND, guard ship HVALROSSEN, mine sweepers SØBJØRNEN, SØULVEN, SPRINGEREN and NARHVALEN, plus submarines BELLONA, RAN, TRITON and GALATHEA. The minelayers LAALAND and LINDORMEN was under construction, and had not yet been commissioned. But certainly - orders to the contrary haven't been issued. The only ships that are not present in 1864 i would assume would be patrol cutters TERNEN and MAAGEN who where station at Greenland, unless Greenland and Iceland also made the trip back to 1864. |
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Post by 575 on Feb 19, 2023 18:53:07 GMT
But certainly - orders to the contrary haven't been issued. The only ships that are not present in 1864 i would assume would be patrol cutters TERNEN and MAAGEN who where station at Greenland, unless Greenland and Iceland also made the trip back to 1864. Touché, only Denmark of 1940 was party to the ISOT; Greenland, Faeroe Is. and Iceland are all 1864. However at Eckernförde Fiord the 1864 Navy ships screw-Corvet Thor and Armoured Scooner Esbern Snare are on patrol so will add to the Navy later. Also Lieutenant Hammer is on the Wadden Sea islands preparing for barring the Prussians and Austrians occupying these.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 19, 2023 18:59:38 GMT
The only ships that are not present in 1864 i would assume would be patrol cutters TERNEN and MAAGEN who where station at Greenland, unless Greenland and Iceland also made the trip back to 1864. Touché, only Denmark of 1940 was party to the ISOT; Greenland, Faeroe Is. and Iceland are all 1864. However at Eckernförde Fiord the 1864 Navy ships screw-Corvet Thor and Armoured Scooner Esbern Snare are on patrol so will add to the Navy later. Also Lieutenant Hammer is on the Wadden Sea islands preparing for barring the Prussians and Austrians occupying these.
Would the king also issue this, with slight modification to reflect the new situation Denmark is now in: Kongens proklamation til det danske folk 1940In Danish Under disse for vort Fædreland saa alvorlige forhold opfordrer jeg alle i By og paa Land til at vise en fuldtud korrekt og værdig Optræden, da enhver uoverlagt Handling eller Ytring kan have de alvorligste Følger. Gud bevare Dem alle. Gud bevare Danmark. Christian R. Amalienborg, den 9. April 1940 In English: Under these conditions, which are so serious for our country, I urge everyone in town and country to show a completely correct and dignified conduct, as any ill-considered action or statement can have the most serious consequences. God save you all. God preserve Denmark. Christian R. Amalienborg, 9 April 1940 |
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Post by 575 on Feb 19, 2023 19:38:33 GMT
Touché, only Denmark of 1940 was party to the ISOT; Greenland, Faeroe Is. and Iceland are all 1864. However at Eckernförde Fiord the 1864 Navy ships screw-Corvet Thor and Armoured Scooner Esbern Snare are on patrol so will add to the Navy later. Also Lieutenant Hammer is on the Wadden Sea islands preparing for barring the Prussians and Austrians occupying these.
Would the king also issue this, with slight modification to reflect the new situation Denmark is now in: Kongens proklamation til det danske folk 1940In Danish Under disse for vort Fædreland saa alvorlige forhold opfordrer jeg alle i By og paa Land til at vise en fuldtud korrekt og værdig Optræden, da enhver uoverlagt Handling eller Ytring kan have de alvorligste Følger. Gud bevare Dem alle. Gud bevare Danmark. Christian R. Amalienborg, den 9. April 1940 In English: Under these conditions, which are so serious for our country, I urge everyone in town and country to show a completely correct and dignified conduct, as any ill-considered action or statement can have the most serious consequences. God save you all. God preserve Denmark. Christian R. Amalienborg, 9 April 1940 Oh no - he left that to the PM. The country's only displaced in time not occupied by a foreign power disempowering King and Government. Huge difference!  |
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Post by lordroel on Feb 19, 2023 19:43:17 GMT
Would the king also issue this, with slight modification to reflect the new situation Denmark is now in: Kongens proklamation til det danske folk 1940In Danish Under disse for vort Fædreland saa alvorlige forhold opfordrer jeg alle i By og paa Land til at vise en fuldtud korrekt og værdig Optræden, da enhver uoverlagt Handling eller Ytring kan have de alvorligste Følger. Gud bevare Dem alle. Gud bevare Danmark. Christian R. Amalienborg, den 9. April 1940 In English: Under these conditions, which are so serious for our country, I urge everyone in town and country to show a completely correct and dignified conduct, as any ill-considered action or statement can have the most serious consequences. God save you all. God preserve Denmark. Christian R. Amalienborg, 9 April 1940 Oh no - he left that to the PM. The country's only displaced in time not occupied by a foreign power disempowering King and Government. Huge difference! But still a major event for the Danish people who might face war still. |
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