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Post by stevep on Jun 19, 2023 16:05:20 GMT
Some general comments on recent posts.
I'm a bit surprised that Napoleon III is reinforcing Mexico as the policy was deeply unpopular in France and also with Danish foreknowledge and statements of opposition to slavery that the south will definitely not survive much longer. Even with Prussia looking weakened for the moment.
Britain is a definite possibility for an alliance but given their policy of isolationism and hostility towards "foreign entanglement" anything politically binding with the US would be highly unlikely.
I do recall reading that while the Austrians were generally badly outclassed in 1866 their artillery proved a nasty shock to the Prussians, who had made sure they upgraded their own before the war with France. It may not be accurate but if so - depending on how much of the OTL 1866 conflict has been reported - the Prussians will want to improve their artillery - especially after their recent defeat but others may think more highly of the current Austrian forces at the moment.
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Post by 575 on Jun 19, 2023 16:35:29 GMT
Some general comments on recent posts.
I'm a bit surprised that Napoleon III is reinforcing Mexico as the policy was deeply unpopular in France and also with Danish foreknowledge and statements of opposition to slavery that the south will definitely not survive much longer. Even with Prussia looking weakened for the moment.
Britain is a definite possibility for an alliance but given their policy of isolationism and hostility towards "foreign entanglement" anything politically binding with the US would be highly unlikely.
I do recall reading that while the Austrians were generally badly outclassed in 1866 their artillery proved a nasty shock to the Prussians, who had made sure they upgraded their own before the war with France. It may not be accurate but if so - depending on how much of the OTL 1866 conflict has been reported - the Prussians will want to improve their artillery - especially after their recent defeat but others may think more highly of the current Austrian forces at the moment.
Steve
Certainly agree on the Nap III policy but I tried weighing the various options against each other which I tried outline in the report of the French Minister to Copenhagen and the previous post's on French - Austrian situation in Northern Italy. So a concilliatory move against Austria - not move on Prussia because it can trigger something unwanted and the British have already made their position clear.
Agree on the British no wanting an Alliance but Denmark want to "ally" itself to Britain and the US for the outlined reasons but also wants free trade and freedom of shipping - like Britain. So not a formal alliance but it may be viewed as such by Nap III - and the Minister to Copenhagen is trying to underline it. Don't go on Germany/Prussia.
Have had the like readings of the Austrian Artillery and was surprised that the Prussian only had half its Artillery rifled by 1864 but seems they didn't have the cash to do it all out or wasn't convinced of it. All Austrian Artillery 1864 in Denmark was rifled - and me being surprised at that but I always understood that the Austrian Army was very professional and it did have experience from fighting the French in North Italy recently. Also something to consider by Nap III regarding the Austrians. And yes I guess v. Moltke will want his artillery fully rifled at the moment but having lost so much of it..
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Post by 575 on Jun 19, 2023 20:04:59 GMT
First International IV 30 July 1940/ 23 May 1864
Supreme Court President Troels G. Jørgensen had informed PM Stauning that he didn't see any problems in the Komintern Cell trail. The various accused had been tried and recieved their sentences. The two Germans had been sentenced to ten years imprisonment. Following this they would be detained untill a state would be willing to accept them.
Stauning then informed Min. of Foreign Affairs for informing British Imperial Minister to Copenhagen C.H. Smith. C.H. Smith thanked P. Munch for the information which he would pass on to HM Government.
Stauning also informed the British Imperial Embassay that he intended visiting the First International to address Karl Marx on the ideological issues separating the two. If HM Government would have any issues with his visit he wouldn't mind not going and instead would like to do a State Visit if possible.
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Post by 575 on Jun 20, 2023 7:04:13 GMT
Law of Time
Denmark have a Law of Time; it does.
As part of the 14 October 1940 elections Stauning had asked for a reform of this law as Denmarks present reckoning of time was out of synch with the rest of the World the Nation had become party to.
Stauning was aware and did say so during the Parliament proceedings when he raised the question that the Parliament could change the Law of Time on its own but it would have marked influence on subjects such as Agriculture, School Year, Economy, Tax assessment, Military Service time, Contractual circumstances, Marriaged couples reckoning of their time together and all other such viewed as petty problems but with a marked influence on society thus he asked Parliament to let the issue be decided by Public Referendum along the elections.
Mainly the diehard right-wing parties viewed the proposal as utter rubbish to put forward to the peoples but the Liberals with their constituency in Agriculture and Conservatives as well as the Social Liberals all supported the subject and the Law of Time would be up for Public Referendum along the elections.
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Post by stevep on Jun 20, 2023 11:43:30 GMT
Some general comments on recent posts.
I'm a bit surprised that Napoleon III is reinforcing Mexico as the policy was deeply unpopular in France and also with Danish foreknowledge and statements of opposition to slavery that the south will definitely not survive much longer. Even with Prussia looking weakened for the moment.
Britain is a definite possibility for an alliance but given their policy of isolationism and hostility towards "foreign entanglement" anything politically binding with the US would be highly unlikely.
I do recall reading that while the Austrians were generally badly outclassed in 1866 their artillery proved a nasty shock to the Prussians, who had made sure they upgraded their own before the war with France. It may not be accurate but if so - depending on how much of the OTL 1866 conflict has been reported - the Prussians will want to improve their artillery - especially after their recent defeat but others may think more highly of the current Austrian forces at the moment.
Steve
Certainly agree on the Nap III policy but I tried weighing the various options against each other which I tried outline in the report of the French Minister to Copenhagen and the previous post's on French - Austrian situation in Northern Italy. So a concilliatory move against Austria - not move on Prussia because it can trigger something unwanted and the British have already made their position clear.
Agree on the British no wanting an Alliance but Denmark want to "ally" itself to Britain and the US for the outlined reasons but also wants free trade and freedom of shipping - like Britain. So not a formal alliance but it may be viewed as such by Nap III - and the Minister to Copenhagen is trying to underline it. Don't go on Germany/Prussia.
Have had the like readings of the Austrian Artillery and was surprised that the Prussian only had half its Artillery rifled by 1864 but seems they didn't have the cash to do it all out or wasn't convinced of it. All Austrian Artillery 1864 in Denmark was rifled - and me being surprised at that but I always understood that the Austrian Army was very professional and it did have experience from fighting the French in North Italy recently. Also something to consider by Nap III regarding the Austrians. And yes I guess v. Moltke will want his artillery fully rifled at the moment but having lost so much of it..
I think you misread me. Fair convinced that Britain would be happy with an alliance with Denmark - know it would go down very well with the Princess of Wales  . Its the US that I can't see having any formal ties with. Also trade with them will be more difficult given their protectionist polices while Britain has already moved to a free trade systems - which in a deeply protectionist world is in the medium and longer term a bad move.
Interesting that Prussia was facing funding problems prior to 1866. Possibly related to the struggle over power between the monarch/military and the parliament prior to ~1861 when Bismarck managed to circumvent the power of the latter. Here that has already happened and the Prussia military will need to replace lost equipment, plus after such an humiliation there will be an added incentive but if a lot of the good stuff is lost then the bill will be even higher.
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Post by miletus12 on Jun 20, 2023 13:22:52 GMT
10 April 1864/ 18 June 1940 Having accepted the will of the Mexican peoples Archduke Maximilian set sail at Trieste aboard the SMS Novara for Mexico to become its Emperor. Archduke Max could be, as the Mexicans might have said; "estabilizado con balastos de plomo" upon arrival. |
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Post by 575 on Jun 20, 2023 13:45:03 GMT
Certainly agree on the Nap III policy but I tried weighing the various options against each other which I tried outline in the report of the French Minister to Copenhagen and the previous post's on French - Austrian situation in Northern Italy. So a concilliatory move against Austria - not move on Prussia because it can trigger something unwanted and the British have already made their position clear.
Agree on the British no wanting an Alliance but Denmark want to "ally" itself to Britain and the US for the outlined reasons but also wants free trade and freedom of shipping - like Britain. So not a formal alliance but it may be viewed as such by Nap III - and the Minister to Copenhagen is trying to underline it. Don't go on Germany/Prussia.
Have had the like readings of the Austrian Artillery and was surprised that the Prussian only had half its Artillery rifled by 1864 but seems they didn't have the cash to do it all out or wasn't convinced of it. All Austrian Artillery 1864 in Denmark was rifled - and me being surprised at that but I always understood that the Austrian Army was very professional and it did have experience from fighting the French in North Italy recently. Also something to consider by Nap III regarding the Austrians. And yes I guess v. Moltke will want his artillery fully rifled at the moment but having lost so much of it..
I think you misread me. Fair convinced that Britain would be happy with an alliance with Denmark - know it would go down very well with the Princess of Wales . Its the US that I can't see having any formal ties with. Also trade with them will be more difficult given their protectionist polices while Britain has already moved to a free trade systems - which in a deeply protectionist world is in the medium and longer term a bad move.
Interesting that Prussia was facing funding problems prior to 1866. Possibly related to the struggle over power between the monarch/military and the parliament prior to ~1861 when Bismarck managed to circumvent the power of the latter. Here that has already happened and the Prussia military will need to replace lost equipment, plus after such an humiliation there will be an added incentive but if a lot of the good stuff is lost then the bill will be even higher.
Steve
No problem - Denmark will have the like attitude towards the US. As long as we are able to communicate and trade all's well. Beyon that however..  |
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Post by 575 on Jun 20, 2023 13:46:12 GMT
10 April 1864/ 18 June 1940 Having accepted the will of the Mexican peoples Archduke Maximilian set sail at Trieste aboard the SMS Novara for Mexico to become its Emperor. Archduke Max could be, as the Mexicans might have said; "estabilizado con balastos de plomo" upon arrival. Yes or in the end as OTL - however with French support he may believe in the case.. |
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Post by stevep on Jun 20, 2023 14:22:07 GMT
Archduke Max could be, as the Mexicans might have said; "estabilizado con balastos de plomo" upon arrival. Yes or in the end as OTL - however with French support he may believe in the case..
The evidence is he seemed to believe in the case anyway at least until he had been in Mexico for quite a while.
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Post by miletus12 on Jun 20, 2023 14:59:41 GMT
Yes or in the end as OTL - however with French support he may believe in the case..
The evidence is he seemed to believe in the case anyway at least until he had been in Mexico for quite a while. The significant influence that Denmark can have in the situation is limited technical transfers. Most useful is artillery in the immediate decade. The steels were too poor for automatic or BOLT ACTION weapons. That has to wait for Cruesot and Bessemer. I figure 1870 at the earliest? |
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Post by 575 on Jun 20, 2023 19:37:29 GMT
Imperial Russia
At first his Imperial Majesty Tsar Alexander 2 had been furious at the loss of his Embassy to Copenhagen more so at the abrupt abolition of the proposed engagement of Princess Dagmar to his son Grandduke Nikolai.
However the early Danish advances to the Imperial Government of remaking Diplomatic ties and excusing the vanishing of the Grand-father of the ruling King Christian X and thus the much revered binding of the Nations by Royal Marriage had eased relations; the information however of the possible future Revolution in the Empire had made Alexander 2 much insistant that his Government remake ties to this Denmark of the future so that his Intelligence services would gain the most to prevent any possible future adverse events.
The immediate Imperial reaction from St. Petersburg upon receiving a compilation of the History of Russia 1864-1940 was demanding the ousting of the Communist MP's of Denmarks Parliament.
Informed that Denmark would have much technical information of use of his Empire not least the development of the oilfield at Baku and that Danish firms would be eager to assist in such development as well as teaching Agricultural advances to lower the risk of famine His Imperial Monarch decided that Denmark would see fit to remove its internal Communist menace and the later Komintern Cell Court proceedings was duly reported to the Imperial Court in much detail.
The attained public awareness of the trail and general public rejection of the Communist's in Denmark much pleased his Imperial Majesty and Stauning drew a breath of relief.
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Post by stevep on Jun 20, 2023 21:42:35 GMT
Imperial Russia At first his Imperial Majesty Tsar Alexander 2 had been furious at the loss of his Embassy to Copenhagen more so at the abrupt abolition of the proposed engagement of Princess Dagmar to his son Grandduke Nikolai. However the early Danish advances to the Imperial Government of remaking Diplomatic ties and excusing the vanishing of the Grand-father of the ruling King Christian X and thus the much revered binding of the Nations by Royal Marriage had eased relations; the information however of the possible future Revolution in the Empire had made Alexander 2 much insistant that his Government remake ties to this Denmark of the future so that his Intelligence services would gain the most to prevent any possible future adverse events. The immediate Imperial reaction from St. Petersburg upon receiving a compilation of the History of Russia 1864-1940 was demanding the ousting of the Communist MP's of Denmarks Parliament. Informed that Denmark would have much technical information of use of his Empire not least the development of the oilfield at Baku and that Danish firms would be eager to assist in such development as well as teaching Agricultural advances to lower the risk of famine His Imperial Monarch decided that Denmark would see fit to remove its internal Communist menace and the later Komintern Cell Court proceedings was duly reported to the Imperial Court in much detail. The attained public awareness of the trail and general public rejection of the Communist's in Denmark much pleased his Imperial Majesty and Stauning drew a breath of relief.
The question is will Alexander double down on repression and lack of economic and social - let alone political reform? Which will simply make the pressure in the vessel even higher?
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Post by miletus12 on Jun 20, 2023 22:51:34 GMT
so that his Intelligence services would gain the most to prevent any possible future adverse events.  To which an American would add:You will notice that the best of the Americans of that age had a true impression of the Russians? |
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Post by 575 on Jun 21, 2023 7:28:31 GMT
Re Russia - at the moment it isn't of my interest - may become so - but I expect the Russian Police and Security forces to take appropriate measures against the various reported Communists of Russian lands. However V I Lenin's birth is 6 years into the future and here butterflies may flap wings though I wouldn't expect the Tsar to give a shit for such theory!
Lev Tolstoy is another kettle of fish and may be told to stop writing polical rubbish or else - if not just dumped into the local river with a bullet in the back of his head..
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Post by 575 on Jun 21, 2023 7:37:51 GMT
Agrarian Council
This body representing both the producers and the retailers had met regularly since the ISOT to discuss the situation.
Initially there was agreement that the Winterseed sown the previous year had been lost.
The Spring seed would be carried out during April 1864 if weather would permit – the absence of weather data would be a nuisance so the Council wouldn't be able to advice.
There were foreseen problems in the Animal Sector; the trade of Denmarks had to be reestablished though hopefully the British market would still be available for the Bacon, Butter and Beef export. However with a population almost half that of 1939 the possible export should be expected to be much lowered than the sector had been used to.
Another major problem in the Animal Sector was the now lagging import of fodder; there were major decisions to be made.
The overall problem was the lack of a Danish Market for Beef. True mincemeat was sold but in so low quantities that butchered Diary Cattle easily made for the supply. Quality Beef was way too expensive to be sold on the Danish market.
The real meat stable on Danish menu was Pork. Though a lot of Sheep were produced it was for wool not the meat – the Danes simply disliked it.
There would be other problems in the Animal Sector as the huge export of livestock to the German Market would be in problems too. Mainly due to an expected lowering of quantity however the lack of refrigeration within the European markets might actually help these sales continue as even the British market might require such. Thus this might in fact affect Butcheries more than producers – a cutback on that industrial sector had to be expected.
However Denmark would be able to give exported livestock a quality mark due to the Veterinarian status of the Agricultural sector so importers wouldn't have to worry about Foot-Mouth-Disease and other livestock diseases carried.
The Council decided to advise its production members of changes expected so that these would be able to decide how to reschedule their production; the Council also advised the retail members of restrain in cutting back on suppliers so as not for force a major crisis upon the sector as a whole.
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. Its the US that I can't see having any formal ties with. Also trade with them will be more difficult given their protectionist polices while Britain has already moved to a free trade systems - which in a deeply protectionist world is in the medium and longer term a bad move.
