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Post by 575 on Apr 10, 2023 13:40:24 GMT
Apart from the ones in Schleswig waters, the ones in the Wadden Sea and the Scooner in West Indies no others were ISOT. Though one more ship will join the Navy - just have to write a short entry on this.. So no need for Jylland which in 1940 is in no state to be used in combat. No but it is at Copenhagen Navy Base as a depot!
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Post by 575 on Apr 15, 2023 9:14:13 GMT
Frederikshavn, North Jutland 9 February 1864 9 AM Lieutenantcommander J.L. Gottlieb had for the past week been in Norwegian waters awaiting orders from Copenhagen. Commander of the Frigate Niels Iuel, a Jylland Class Frigate steampropelled, Gottlieb had been on station in Skagerrak on lookout for 3 Prussian Gunboats that was rumoured to be in the North Sea. Not knowing of the events of 1 February Gottlieb had been on his post every other day going into Kristianssand Port to inquire if any telegramme had arrived for him from the Danish Admiralty. No such had come and Gottlieb had taken to sea again. Having been off to sea for a couple of days he took to port yesterday where he was greeted by the Port Master informing him of the odd news from Denmark which had been relayed from Stockholm only now reaching Kristianssand. There was no orders for Gottlieb but the Port Master advised him to go into Danish waters and port to get updated on the situation. Gottlieb mightily confused thanked the Port Master and having coaled set out for Frederikshavn in North Jutland where he arrived this morning. Gottlieb had been overflown by a Heinkel He-8 during the voyage from Kristianssand; he had see such a few times during his patrol but only in the far distance. This time the aircraft had flown over his ship and then been off to the south. Gottlieb was wondering what had happened to Denmark. Three miles off Frederikshavn Frigate Niels Juel had been hailed by a Danish Navy Ship – grey painted all metal build no masts for sail – and asked to follow it into Frederikshavn. A motorlaunch had crossed their short distance and an Ensign entered the Niels Juel. The Ensign gave Gottlieb a brief update on happenings since 1 February 1864 which he said would be 9 April 1940 in his world and the defeat in Schleswig of the Prussian and Austrian troops. The first information puzzled Gottlieb but only following the next which he of course was mightily pleased with grew silent. The Ensign looked at him and said that he understood his grieviances as all of Denmark of 1864 had been replaced with Denmark of 1940 which of course meant that all the peoples of 1864 had vanished. Gottlieb kept up his appearances cleared his throat and asked the Ensign to accompany him as he would inform the Officers and Crew of the situation. The Ensign followed Gottlieb in his ardous task; it wasn't his first occasion there had been a number of 1864 ships calling at port during the past week. All crews mightily surprised at the experience of change and the grieving upon realizing that loved ones would be no more. *** The Niels Juel had slipped under the radar - now part of story:
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Post by lordroel on Apr 15, 2023 9:21:21 GMT
Frederikshavn, North Jutland 9 February 1864 9 AM Lieutenantcommander J.L. Gottlieb had for the past week been in Norwegian waters awaiting orders from Copenhagen. Commander of the Frigate Niels Iuel, a Jylland Class Frigate steampropelled, Gottlieb had been on station in Skagerrak on lookout for 3 Prussian Gunboats that was rumoured to be in the North Sea. Not knowing of the events of 1 February Gottlieb had been on his post every other day going into Kristianssand Port to inquire if any telegramme had arrived for him from the Danish Admiralty. No such had come and Gottlieb had taken to sea again. Having been off to sea for a couple of days he took to port yesterday where he was greeted by the Port Master informing him of the odd news from Denmark which had been relayed from Stockholm only now reaching Kristianssand. There was no orders for Gottlieb but the Port Master advised him to go into Danish waters and port to get updated on the situation. Gottlieb mightily confused thanked the Port Master and having coaled set out for Frederikshavn in North Jutland where he arrived this morning. Gottlieb had been overflown by a Heinkel He-8 during the voyage from Kristianssand; he had see such a few times during his patrol but only in the far distance. This time the aircraft had flown over his ship and then been off to the south. Gottlieb was wondering what had happened to Denmark. Three miles off Frederikshavn Frigate Niels Juel had been hailed by a Danish Navy Ship – grey painted all metal build no masts for sail – and asked to follow it into Frederikshavn. A motorlaunch had crossed their short distance and an Ensign entered the Niels Juel. The Ensign gave Gottlieb a brief update on happenings since 1 February 1864 which he said would be 9 April 1940 in his world and the defeat in Schleswig of the Prussian and Austrian troops. The first information puzzled Gottlieb but only following the next which he of course was mightily pleased with grew silent. The Ensign looked at him and said that he understood his grieviances as all of Denmark of 1864 had been replaced with Denmark of 1940 which of course meant that all the peoples of 1864 had vanished. Gottlieb kept up his appearances cleared his throat and asked the Ensign to accompany him as he would inform the Officers and Crew of the situation. The Ensign followed Gottlieb in his ardous task; it wasn't his first occasion there had been a number of 1864 ships calling at port during the past week. All crews mightily surprised at the experience of change and the grieving upon realizing that loved ones would be no more. *** The Niels Juel had slipped under the radar - now part of story: At least they are home, Denmark is still Denmark, even if it is from 80 years in the future.
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Post by 575 on Apr 15, 2023 10:01:21 GMT
Frederikshavn, North Jutland 9 February 1864 9 AM Lieutenantcommander J.L. Gottlieb had for the past week been in Norwegian waters awaiting orders from Copenhagen. Commander of the Frigate Niels Iuel, a Jylland Class Frigate steampropelled, Gottlieb had been on station in Skagerrak on lookout for 3 Prussian Gunboats that was rumoured to be in the North Sea. Not knowing of the events of 1 February Gottlieb had been on his post every other day going into Kristianssand Port to inquire if any telegramme had arrived for him from the Danish Admiralty. No such had come and Gottlieb had taken to sea again. Having been off to sea for a couple of days he took to port yesterday where he was greeted by the Port Master informing him of the odd news from Denmark which had been relayed from Stockholm only now reaching Kristianssand. There was no orders for Gottlieb but the Port Master advised him to go into Danish waters and port to get updated on the situation. Gottlieb mightily confused thanked the Port Master and having coaled set out for Frederikshavn in North Jutland where he arrived this morning. Gottlieb had been overflown by a Heinkel He-8 during the voyage from Kristianssand; he had see such a few times during his patrol but only in the far distance. This time the aircraft had flown over his ship and then been off to the south. Gottlieb was wondering what had happened to Denmark. Three miles off Frederikshavn Frigate Niels Juel had been hailed by a Danish Navy Ship – grey painted all metal build no masts for sail – and asked to follow it into Frederikshavn. A motorlaunch had crossed their short distance and an Ensign entered the Niels Juel. The Ensign gave Gottlieb a brief update on happenings since 1 February 1864 which he said would be 9 April 1940 in his world and the defeat in Schleswig of the Prussian and Austrian troops. The first information puzzled Gottlieb but only following the next which he of course was mightily pleased with grew silent. The Ensign looked at him and said that he understood his grieviances as all of Denmark of 1864 had been replaced with Denmark of 1940 which of course meant that all the peoples of 1864 had vanished. Gottlieb kept up his appearances cleared his throat and asked the Ensign to accompany him as he would inform the Officers and Crew of the situation. The Ensign followed Gottlieb in his ardous task; it wasn't his first occasion there had been a number of 1864 ships calling at port during the past week. All crews mightily surprised at the experience of change and the grieving upon realizing that loved ones would be no more. *** The Niels Juel had slipped under the radar - now part of story: At least they are home, Denmark is still Denmark, even if it is from 80 years in the future. It is and a great victory won but soon they'll feel alienated to the 1940 population. Don't worry I have a cunning plan in mind!
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Post by lordroel on Apr 15, 2023 10:08:28 GMT
At least they are home, Denmark is still Denmark, even if it is from 80 years in the future. It is and a great victory won but soon they'll feel alienated to the 1940 population. Don't worry I have a cunning plan in mind! There is still a part of 1864 they can move to and then slowly integrate with 1940 Denmark.
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Post by 575 on Apr 15, 2023 10:12:26 GMT
It is and a great victory won but soon they'll feel alienated to the 1940 population. Don't worry I have a cunning plan in mind! There is still a part of 1864 they can move to and then slowly integrate with 1940 Denmark. Don't know if we think alike but there is an area which is close to a conflict area that may do with some Naval presence.. in a 1864 area..
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Post by lordroel on Apr 15, 2023 10:16:24 GMT
There is still a part of 1864 they can move to and then slowly integrate with 1940 Denmark. Don't know if we think alike but there is an area which is close to a conflict area that may do with some Naval presence.. in a 1864 area.. Then i just have to see what you have in store then.
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Post by stevep on Apr 15, 2023 15:59:45 GMT
Frederikshavn, North Jutland 9 February 1864 9 AM Lieutenantcommander J.L. Gottlieb had for the past week been in Norwegian waters awaiting orders from Copenhagen. Commander of the Frigate Niels Iuel, a Jylland Class Frigate steampropelled, Gottlieb had been on station in Skagerrak on lookout for 3 Prussian Gunboats that was rumoured to be in the North Sea. Not knowing of the events of 1 February Gottlieb had been on his post every other day going into Kristianssand Port to inquire if any telegramme had arrived for him from the Danish Admiralty. No such had come and Gottlieb had taken to sea again. Having been off to sea for a couple of days he took to port yesterday where he was greeted by the Port Master informing him of the odd news from Denmark which had been relayed from Stockholm only now reaching Kristianssand. There was no orders for Gottlieb but the Port Master advised him to go into Danish waters and port to get updated on the situation. Gottlieb mightily confused thanked the Port Master and having coaled set out for Frederikshavn in North Jutland where he arrived this morning. Gottlieb had been overflown by a Heinkel He-8 during the voyage from Kristianssand; he had see such a few times during his patrol but only in the far distance. This time the aircraft had flown over his ship and then been off to the south. Gottlieb was wondering what had happened to Denmark. Three miles off Frederikshavn Frigate Niels Juel had been hailed by a Danish Navy Ship – grey painted all metal build no masts for sail – and asked to follow it into Frederikshavn. A motorlaunch had crossed their short distance and an Ensign entered the Niels Juel. The Ensign gave Gottlieb a brief update on happenings since 1 February 1864 which he said would be 9 April 1940 in his world and the defeat in Schleswig of the Prussian and Austrian troops. The first information puzzled Gottlieb but only following the next which he of course was mightily pleased with grew silent. The Ensign looked at him and said that he understood his grieviances as all of Denmark of 1864 had been replaced with Denmark of 1940 which of course meant that all the peoples of 1864 had vanished. Gottlieb kept up his appearances cleared his throat and asked the Ensign to accompany him as he would inform the Officers and Crew of the situation. The Ensign followed Gottlieb in his ardous task; it wasn't his first occasion there had been a number of 1864 ships calling at port during the past week. All crews mightily surprised at the experience of change and the grieving upon realizing that loved ones would be no more. *** The Niels Juel had slipped under the radar - now part of story:
Great to see an update and one of the eternal problems of a ISOT in terms of people separated from the world they know. I agree the crew could settle in the 1864 area in the south or possibly some of them might end up in Iceland - which is still Danish at this point - or the Faroe Islands - as assuming their also from 1864 rather than 1940. It won't break their families back, although a few might be from those regions, but they would be in a culture their more familiar with.
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Post by 575 on Apr 15, 2023 16:34:28 GMT
Frederikshavn, North Jutland 9 February 1864 9 AM Lieutenantcommander J.L. Gottlieb had for the past week been in Norwegian waters awaiting orders from Copenhagen. Commander of the Frigate Niels Iuel, a Jylland Class Frigate steampropelled, Gottlieb had been on station in Skagerrak on lookout for 3 Prussian Gunboats that was rumoured to be in the North Sea. Not knowing of the events of 1 February Gottlieb had been on his post every other day going into Kristianssand Port to inquire if any telegramme had arrived for him from the Danish Admiralty. No such had come and Gottlieb had taken to sea again. Having been off to sea for a couple of days he took to port yesterday where he was greeted by the Port Master informing him of the odd news from Denmark which had been relayed from Stockholm only now reaching Kristianssand. There was no orders for Gottlieb but the Port Master advised him to go into Danish waters and port to get updated on the situation. Gottlieb mightily confused thanked the Port Master and having coaled set out for Frederikshavn in North Jutland where he arrived this morning. Gottlieb had been overflown by a Heinkel He-8 during the voyage from Kristianssand; he had see such a few times during his patrol but only in the far distance. This time the aircraft had flown over his ship and then been off to the south. Gottlieb was wondering what had happened to Denmark. Three miles off Frederikshavn Frigate Niels Juel had been hailed by a Danish Navy Ship – grey painted all metal build no masts for sail – and asked to follow it into Frederikshavn. A motorlaunch had crossed their short distance and an Ensign entered the Niels Juel. The Ensign gave Gottlieb a brief update on happenings since 1 February 1864 which he said would be 9 April 1940 in his world and the defeat in Schleswig of the Prussian and Austrian troops. The first information puzzled Gottlieb but only following the next which he of course was mightily pleased with grew silent. The Ensign looked at him and said that he understood his grieviances as all of Denmark of 1864 had been replaced with Denmark of 1940 which of course meant that all the peoples of 1864 had vanished. Gottlieb kept up his appearances cleared his throat and asked the Ensign to accompany him as he would inform the Officers and Crew of the situation. The Ensign followed Gottlieb in his ardous task; it wasn't his first occasion there had been a number of 1864 ships calling at port during the past week. All crews mightily surprised at the experience of change and the grieving upon realizing that loved ones would be no more. *** The Niels Juel had slipped under the radar - now part of story:
Great to see an update and one of the eternal problems of a ISOT in terms of people separated from the world they know. I agree the crew could settle in the 1864 area in the south or possibly some of them might end up in Iceland - which is still Danish at this point - or the Faroe Islands - as assuming their also from 1864 rather than 1940. It won't break their families back, although a few might be from those regions, but they would be in a culture their more familiar with.
Thanks - and right on target though 1864 we also had three islands under the tropical sun..
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Post by miletus12 on Apr 15, 2023 17:32:46 GMT
Great to see an update and one of the eternal problems of a ISOT in terms of people separated from the world they know. I agree the crew could settle in the 1864 area in the south or possibly some of them might end up in Iceland - which is still Danish at this point - or the Faroe Islands - as assuming their also from 1864 rather than 1940. It won't break their families back, although a few might be from those regions, but they would be in a culture their more familiar with.
Thanks - and right on target though 1864 we also had three islands under the tropical sun.. I think I know those islands having investigated storm damage once or twice.
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Post by 575 on Apr 19, 2023 6:39:36 GMT
Thanks - and right on target though 1864 we also had three islands under the tropical sun.. I think I know those islands having investigated storm damage once or twice. I had certainly expected that knowledge of Yours!
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Post by 575 on Apr 19, 2023 8:02:00 GMT
Frankfurt a.M. Imperial Diet 18 April 1940/10 February 1864 10AM
Following a very long tedious but necessary debate - initiated by the Danish legate at Frankfurt a.M. Bernhard Ernst v. Bülow - among the Princely States on allowing the Danish Foreign Minister to access and address the Diet, the Princely States led by Saxon Minister of Foreign Affairs Friedrich Ferdinand v. Beust supported the Austrian President Aloys von Kühbeck in deciding around noon that it would allow P. Munch to address them. The Prussian delegate had vehemently tried to rally support for not doing so. In this endevour v. Beust strongly attacked the now known Prussian schemes of controlling the Princely States and as such asking for letting the Danish Foreign Minister speak.
Danish Foreign Minister Dr. Phil. P. Munch addressed the assembly in fine German. Relating the various rumours about his Denmark of 1940 and the defeat of the Prussian and Austrian Armies sent into Schleswig. The Danish Army having stopped at the Ostsee Canal and have no intentions of crossing it unless forced to do so by enemy action. Denmark have no interest in conflict with the German Confederation.
Denmark however see it as its right to implement a blockade of German Baltic and North Sea ports untill Peace have been negotiated. At this time of year the traffic of the seas are at much reduced numbers hence why a Blockade haven't been declared as of now and as not to spread the effects of war beyond the land area of Schleswig and adjoining islands. A negotiated cease fire – negotiations conducted at a suitable place such as London – might prevent such a Blockade being initiated. The Blockade would be of German ports in the Baltic as well as in the North Sea. Denmark have the Navy to effect such a blockade as had been the case during 1848.
Danish proposal formulated by P Munch: South-Schleswig – Holstein and Saxe-Lauenburg forming an independent Nation party to the GC with the Diocese of Schleswig recognized as the Land Diocese as it had been since Reformation of the Church in Schleswig – Holstein. Denmark will retain the North Schleswig which had been decided by that nation and the Imperial Germany of 1920 under international auspicis. This matter is NOT to be an issue of debate and have already been settled by arms!
Denmark as coming from 80 years in the future have a lot information on how Bismarck intend to retailor the German Confederation into a Prussian led Empire – any interested party is wellcome to ask for information at his chambers which already have been dissiminated to interested parties.
The Prussian Representative to the Imperial Diet decries the Danish postulates. P. Munch ask for the convening of a Peace Conference at London to iron out problems but Denmark is the de facto ruler at the moment of all Schleswig; the arms have spoken with Prussia and Austria losing. Holstein and Saxe-Lauenburg left to the control of the German Confederation. Denmark however want to live in peace with its neighbors and have no immediate want of enlarging its territory. Denmark is however as already demonstrated willing to let arms talk if its de facto national integrity is questioned.
Rumours had been around for four days by now fuelled by the leaflets spread over North German cities by Danish Aircraft telling of the great Danish victory in Schleswig and Danish Army remaining there. That last information found to be true by a cable from the GC Corps Commander in Holstein – Saxe-Lauenburg. Seemed the Danish were to be trusted. Rumour had it that upon being presented by such a leaflet King William of Prussia had asked Bismarck of the validity of the Danish claim. Bismarck had been talking for quite some time of this and that and as the King then called Generals v. Roon and v. Moltke these affirmed the Danish claim. Next Bismarck had been ordered to pack his bags as he had been made Prussian Envoy to the Imperial Court of Emperor Pedro II of Brazil and ordered off immediately.
The Austrian President of Imperial Diet Aloys von Kühbeck had acknowledged that the Imperial and Royal Court had information of the fighting in Schleswig from Feldmarshallieutenant Gablenz presently the ”guest” of Danish General de Meza at Gottorp Palace. As everybody by now was aware of whats going on a very long session of the Imperial Diet took place. At the end of session it was agreed to resume the next day to give the various representatives time to contact their Governments for instructions. The Imperial Diet had become the most important forum in the German Nation at the moment and the representatives understood it.
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Post by 575 on Apr 19, 2023 8:09:03 GMT
Telegramme from Frankfurt a.M. 18 April 1940/ 10 February 1864
”Representatives ask Governments of instructions - situation verified generally by Prussian and Austrian information – expect breakthrough tomorrow – Friedrich der Achte? Munch”
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Post by 575 on Apr 20, 2023 8:52:53 GMT
Navy Ministry Copenhagen 18 April 1940/ 10 February 1864 10 AM
Rear-Admiral Hammerich: ”Minister we have a small problem on our hands regarding the 1864 Navy personnel and ships.”
Christmas Møller MoD: ”Do continue Rear-Admiral”
Rear-Admiral Hammerich: ”Minister yesterday the steam Frigate Niels Juel was observed moving south from Norwegian waters towards Jutland by a He-8 aircraft. The Patrolboat at Frederikshavn was sent out to greet it and escort it to port. Lieutenantcommander Gottlieb have lost his family due to our appearance and is marked by this event.”
Christmas Møller MoD: ”I fully understand that – is there anything we can do to help him and the crew?”
Rear-Admiral Hammerich: ”Minister we have to think about tomorrow even though this war of ours haven't been finalized by treaty yet.”
Christmas Møller MoD: ”Well I sense some cunning plan of Yours Rear-Admiral”
Rear-Admiral Hammerich: ”Minister the American Civil War is still raging and we have become masters of the West Indies once again. There is CSA raiders and blockade runners in the Caribbean and we have an obligation to defend our colony and the shipping in area. We have the screw Scooner Fylla on station in the West Indies, commander Kaptajnløjtnant E. Krieger, but I think it wise to upscale our presence there. That would be an indirect support of the USA, which I think may not be out of step with Government but more importantly it would serve as a means to keep those 1864 ships and crew occupied.”
Christmas Møller MoD: ”Sounds like a plan Rear-Admiral – how about the Thor and Esbern Snare not to forget Lieutenant Hammer and the Wadden Sea units?”
Rear-Admiral Hammerich: ”Minister those three ships Niels Juel, Thor and Esbern Snare are all steamships and could travel across the Atlantic as a unit. Gottlieb is one of the most experienced officers of the 1864 Navy along Hammer – they actually served together in the First Schleswig War in the Wadden Sea so they know each other well. I'm unsure if Hammer will want a command in the West Indies as his family live in Føhr one of the Wadden Sea isles. It may depend on the peace tready and future state of the Duchies. My suggestion is that we as soon as possible send off the West Indies Squadron; Lieutenantcommander J. L. Gottlieb promoted Commander and acting Rear-Admiral West Indies?”
Christmas Møller MoD: ”I like the idea and I expect the PM to do so. It will make for the crews to stay in a better known world still party to us and make for a stronger presence in the Americas. I consult the PM about the cross-Atlantic journey; its not really the time of year for a North Atlantic crossing but perhaps a more southerly route passing Spain – Azores – Bermuda – New Foundland and New York? Could then carry some diplomatic post for the Minister to USA – actually think the PM would like that. I'll get back to You.”
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Post by lordroel on Apr 20, 2023 13:08:14 GMT
Navy Ministry Copenhagen 18 April 1940/ 10 February 1864 10 AM Rear-Admiral Hammerich: ”Minister we have a small problem on our hands regarding the 1864 Navy personnel and ships.” Christmas Møller MoD: ”Do continue Rear-Admiral” Rear-Admiral Hammerich: ”Minister yesterday the steam Frigate Niels Juel was observed moving south from Norwegian waters towards Jutland by a He-8 aircraft. The Patrolboat at Frederikshavn was sent out to greet it and escort it to port. Lieutenantcommander Gottlieb have lost his family due to our appearance and is marked by this event.” Christmas Møller MoD: ”I fully understand that – is there anything we can do to help him and the crew?” Rear-Admiral Hammerich: ”Minister we have to think about tomorrow even though this war of ours haven't been finalized by treaty yet.” Christmas Møller MoD: ”Well I sense some cunning plan of Yours Rear-Admiral” Rear-Admiral Hammerich: ”Minister the American Civil War is still raging and we have become masters of the West Indies once again. There is CSA raiders and blockade runners in the Caribbean and we have an obligation to defend our colony and the shipping in area. We have the screw Scooner Fylla on station in the West Indies, commander Kaptajnløjtnant E. Krieger, but I think it wise to upscale our presence there. That would be an indirect support of the USA, which I think may not be out of step with Government but more importantly it would serve as a means to keep those 1864 ships and crew occupied.” Christmas Møller MoD: ”Sounds like a plan Rear-Admiral – how about the Thor and Esbern Snare not to forget Lieutenant Hammer and the Wadden Sea units?” Rear-Admiral Hammerich: ”Minister those three ships Niels Juel, Thor and Esbern Snare are all steamships and could travel across the Atlantic as a unit. Gottlieb is one of the most experienced officers of the 1864 Navy along Hammer – they actually served together in the First Schleswig War in the Wadden Sea so they know each other well. I'm unsure if Hammer will want a command in the West Indies as his family live in Føhr one of the Wadden Sea isles. It may depend on the peace tready and future state of the Duchies. My suggestion is that we as soon as possible send off the West Indies Squadron; Lieutenantcommander J. L. Gottlieb promoted Commander and acting Rear-Admiral West Indies?” Christmas Møller MoD: ”I like the idea and I expect the PM to do so. It will make for the crews to stay in a better known world still party to us and make for a stronger presence in the Americas. I consult the PM about the cross-Atlantic journey; its not really the time of year for a North Atlantic crossing but perhaps a more southerly route passing Spain – Azores – Bermuda – New Foundland and New York? Could then carry some diplomatic post for the Minister to USA – actually think the PM would like that. I'll get back to You.” So a Danish Caribbean Squadron, how would it be called in Danish.
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