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Post by stevep on Oct 27, 2019 12:16:36 GMT
Some families have lived for 19 year with out a killed soldier, seeing one back might be traumatizing event for them. Ah, I see what you mean now. However, the idea is that those KIA would be immediately resurrected with a new body, waking up in one of their side’s barracks, bases and/or medical facilities completely physically (if not psychologically) intact. As such, since military personnel get revived right after perishing, their loved ones won’t go for years without ever seeing them again (or at least without the knowledge that they’re still alive and kicking, however many times they’ve died before).
I fear the problem with this is its likely to expand wars, in scope, duration and possibly frequency. If no soldier actually 'dies' you going to have strongly motivated on both/all sides of any argument willing to fight on regardless of how many times they die.
One nasty alternative is that armies might seek to wound rather than kill, with the idea of leaving opponents injured, possibly permanently crippled rather than continually rejuvenating. Or simply one side with the greater power one side blasts the civilian population [who presumably aren't being rejuvenated] and the infrastructure of their opponents.
Also who counts as soldiers? Technically once its realised what's going on could a nation get protection for its people by 'recruiting' all its population, or as much as it can into the military forces, even if they still basically do civilian tasks. Also would the Kurds currently fighting against the Turks in Syria could as soldiers for instance?
Plus since you say KIA does this mean that soldiers killed by say disease, the effects of their wounds, accidents etc aren't resurrected?
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Post by Zyobot on Oct 29, 2019 11:52:55 GMT
Ah, I see what you mean now. However, the idea is that those KIA would be immediately resurrected with a new body, waking up in one of their side’s barracks, bases and/or medical facilities completely physically (if not psychologically) intact. As such, since military personnel get revived right after perishing, their loved ones won’t go for years without ever seeing them again (or at least without the knowledge that they’re still alive and kicking, however many times they’ve died before).
I fear the problem with this is its likely to expand wars, in scope, duration and possibly frequency. If no soldier actually 'dies' you going to have strongly motivated on both/all sides of any argument willing to fight on regardless of how many times they die.
One nasty alternative is that armies might seek to wound rather than kill, with the idea of leaving opponents injured, possibly permanently crippled rather than continually rejuvenating. Or simply one side with the greater power one side blasts the civilian population [who presumably aren't being rejuvenated] and the infrastructure of their opponents.
Also who counts as soldiers? Technically once its realised what's going on could a nation get protection for its people by 'recruiting' all its population, or as much as it can into the military forces, even if they still basically do civilian tasks. Also would the Kurds currently fighting against the Turks in Syria could as soldiers for instance?
Plus since you say KIA does this mean that soldiers killed by say disease, the effects of their wounds, accidents etc aren't resurrected?
Good points. I suppose that anyone who participates in combat—whether a professional soldier, hired mercenary, or armed partisan—counts as an ASB-deemed soldier in this scenario. As far as resurrection goes, they’d be revived so long as they perished due to war (i.e. getting directly KIA, dying from fatal wounds and/or succumbing to disease). |
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Post by stevep on Oct 29, 2019 12:12:30 GMT
I fear the problem with this is its likely to expand wars, in scope, duration and possibly frequency. If no soldier actually 'dies' you going to have strongly motivated on both/all sides of any argument willing to fight on regardless of how many times they die.
One nasty alternative is that armies might seek to wound rather than kill, with the idea of leaving opponents injured, possibly permanently crippled rather than continually rejuvenating. Or simply one side with the greater power one side blasts the civilian population [who presumably aren't being rejuvenated] and the infrastructure of their opponents.
Also who counts as soldiers? Technically once its realised what's going on could a nation get protection for its people by 'recruiting' all its population, or as much as it can into the military forces, even if they still basically do civilian tasks. Also would the Kurds currently fighting against the Turks in Syria could as soldiers for instance?
Plus since you say KIA does this mean that soldiers killed by say disease, the effects of their wounds, accidents etc aren't resurrected?
Good points. I suppose that anyone who participates in combat—whether a professional soldier, hired mercenary, or armed partisan—counts as an ASB-deemed soldier in this scenario. As far as resurrection goes, they’d be revived so long as they perished due to war (i.e. getting directly KIA, dying from fatal wounds and/or succumbing to disease).
That could be a serious problem with fanatical resistance by groups, members of whom are willing to die repeatedly to achieve their cause. Although some of the Muslim fanatics could be a bit bemused when instead of paradise they find themselves back in their barracks, wherever and whatever those are.
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Post by Zyobot on Oct 29, 2019 12:32:56 GMT
Good points. I suppose that anyone who participates in combat—whether a professional soldier, hired mercenary, or armed partisan—counts as an ASB-deemed soldier in this scenario. As far as resurrection goes, they’d be revived so long as they perished due to war (i.e. getting directly KIA, dying from fatal wounds and/or succumbing to disease).
That could be a serious problem with fanatical resistance by groups, members of whom are willing to die repeatedly to achieve their cause. Although some of the Muslim fanatics could be a bit bemused when instead of paradise they find themselves back in their barracks, wherever and whatever those are.
True. Since they don’t wind up in Paradise after dying repeatedly for their cause, maybe some of them will cease to see a point in continuing to fight and will just give up and go home. Not everyone will be this sensible, of course. |
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Post by lordroel on Oct 29, 2019 15:40:54 GMT
That could be a serious problem with fanatical resistance by groups, members of whom are willing to die repeatedly to achieve their cause. Although some of the Muslim fanatics could be a bit bemused when instead of paradise they find themselves back in their barracks, wherever and whatever those are.
True. Since they don’t wind up in Paradise after dying repeatedly for their cause, maybe some of them will cease to see a point in continuing to fight and will just give up and go home. Not everyone will be this sensible, of course. Does this only apply to soldiers in uniforms serving a country, ore are soldiers from, lets say ISIS also effected. |
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Post by Zyobot on Oct 29, 2019 16:00:20 GMT
True. Since they don’t wind up in Paradise after dying repeatedly for their cause, maybe some of them will cease to see a point in continuing to fight and will just give up and go home. Not everyone will be this sensible, of course. Does this only apply to soldiers in uniforms serving a country, ore are soldiers from, lets say ISIS also effected. Well, considering that stevep also brought a similar point to my attention earlier, I guess that uniformed servicemen and women (maybe private mercenaries as well) are the only ones who get this treatment. That would certainly pose a less terrifying ASB intervention than dead terrorists coming back to life over and over again. |
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Post by Zyobot on Oct 31, 2019 0:53:00 GMT
‘Komodo Dragons Start Breathing Fire’.
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Post by lordroel on Oct 31, 2019 3:49:35 GMT
‘Komodo Dragons Start Breathing Fire’. How much fire. |
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Post by Zyobot on Oct 31, 2019 3:52:40 GMT
‘Komodo Dragons Start Breathing Fire’. How much fire. Eh, enough to set their immediate surroundings aflame. |
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Post by lordroel on Oct 31, 2019 4:50:42 GMT
Eh, enough to set their immediate surroundings aflame. Are they themselves immune to flames and fire. |
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Post by Zyobot on Oct 31, 2019 12:33:48 GMT
Eh, enough to set their immediate surroundings aflame. Are they themselves immune to flames and fire. Sure. There’s not much point in breathing fire if they themselves will get immolated by it. |
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Post by stevep on Oct 31, 2019 16:54:57 GMT
Eh, enough to set their immediate surroundings aflame.
I wonder if they would burn their environment to extinction, or nearly so. If they have the capacity to do that much damage, until they adjust their behaviour they could well burn much of their prey to ashes along with the plants that the other creatures on the island require to survive. Even if their immune to the breath of other dragons when they fight with each other.
Is this ability going to need a much higher metabolic rate, in which case they will probably be very quickly eating their island bare to support themselves. Not to mention scientists world-wide are going to be frantic to explain both this new ability - which is likely to break a number of scientific laws - and also that its suddenly appeared in all Komodo dragons in an instance.
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Post by Zyobot on Oct 31, 2019 17:13:11 GMT
Eh, enough to set their immediate surroundings aflame.
I wonder if they would burn their environment to extinction, or nearly so. If they have the capacity to do that much damage, until they adjust their behaviour they could well burn much of their prey to ashes along with the plants that the other creatures on the island require to survive. Even if their immune to the breath of other dragons when they fight with each other.
Is this ability going to need a much higher metabolic rate, in which case they will probably be very quickly eating their island bare to support themselves. Not to mention scientists world-wide are going to be frantic to explain both this new ability - which is likely to break a number of scientific laws - and also that its suddenly appeared in all Komodo dragons in an instance.
Yes, the consequences should indeed be dire and filled with mass death—not only for those people and ecosystems on the receiving end of the Komodo dragons’ pyromania, but also for the lizards themselves since they’ll be ferociously hunted down by human authorities. |
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Post by stevep on Oct 31, 2019 17:56:30 GMT
I wonder if they would burn their environment to extinction, or nearly so. If they have the capacity to do that much damage, until they adjust their behaviour they could well burn much of their prey to ashes along with the plants that the other creatures on the island require to survive. Even if their immune to the breath of other dragons when they fight with each other.
Is this ability going to need a much higher metabolic rate, in which case they will probably be very quickly eating their island bare to support themselves. Not to mention scientists world-wide are going to be frantic to explain both this new ability - which is likely to break a number of scientific laws - and also that its suddenly appeared in all Komodo dragons in an instance.
Yes, the consequences should indeed be dire and filled with mass death—not only for those people and ecosystems on the receiving end of the Komodo dragons’ pyromania, but also for the lizards themselves since they’ll be ferociously hunted down by human authorities.
Ouch I didn't realise they lived elsewhere than Komodo island itself but just checking they live on a number of other islands. Also there is a population of about 2000 people on Komodo itself so things could get distinctly messy and the Indonesian authorities are likely to react firmly.
Not sure if there are any dragons elsewhere in zoos and wildlife parks but that could also be a localised problem.
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Post by lordroel on Oct 31, 2019 18:17:56 GMT
Yes, the consequences should indeed be dire and filled with mass death—not only for those people and ecosystems on the receiving end of the Komodo dragons’ pyromania, but also for the lizards themselves since they’ll be ferociously hunted down by human authorities. Ouch I didn't realise they lived elsewhere than Komodo island itself but just checking they live on a number of other islands. Also there is a population of about 2000 people on Komodo itself so things could get distinctly messy and the Indonesian authorities are likely to react firmly. Not sure if there are any dragons elsewhere in zoos and wildlife parks but that could also be a localised problem.
Lucky for us Indonesia's famed Komodo Island may close for one year |
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