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Post by Zyobot on Jul 21, 2019 18:53:39 GMT
'1860s Union W/Modern Military Tactics And Technology'. Yeah, the Confederate States get stomped into the ground, with a far quicker and way more lopsided victory in favor of the abolitionist North. What if The US Civil War was fought with World War I weapons. Oh, that's a good one. Maybe in addition to being magically gifted with WW1-era arms and equipment, both sides would also suddenly receive the needed knowledge and industrial infrastructure to produce and maintain them? In either case, I predict that TTL's Civil War becomes even more of a vicious, filth-laden bloodbath than IOTL. Plus, the US as a whole--regardless of the Union or the Confederacy--would suddenly boast enough of a STEM advantage to deter other nations from picking a fight. |
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Post by lordroel on Jul 21, 2019 18:56:02 GMT
What if The US Civil War was fought with World War I weapons. Oh, that's a good one. Maybe in addition to being magically gifted with WW1-era arms and equipment, both sides would also suddenly receive the needed knowledge and industrial infrastructure to produce and maintain them? In either case, I predict that TTL's Civil War becomes even more of a vicious, filth-laden bloodbath than IOTL. Plus, the US as a whole--regardless of the Union or the Confederacy--would suddenly boast enough of a STEM advantage to deter other nations from picking a fight. Lets give the North some British factories and the CSA some German once, the same number, also drop in some ships and submarines and planes, the same number for both sides. |
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Post by stevep on Jul 21, 2019 22:46:08 GMT
Oh, that's a good one. Maybe in addition to being magically gifted with WW1-era arms and equipment, both sides would also suddenly receive the needed knowledge and industrial infrastructure to produce and maintain them? In either case, I predict that TTL's Civil War becomes even more of a vicious, filth-laden bloodbath than IOTL. Plus, the US as a whole--regardless of the Union or the Confederacy--would suddenly boast enough of a STEM advantage to deter other nations from picking a fight. Lets give the North some British factories and the CSA some German once, the same number, also drop in some ships and submarines and planes, the same number for both sides.
Even if you just introduced army weapons then depending on who gets used to using them properly 1st things are going to get very bloody for at least one and probably both sides. Such weaponry will give an edge to the defence, albeit that the low population density of the two states means its unlikely to be a total trench warfare type of situation. Even more so if its only weapons that are upgraded and not things like infrastructure as that would also restrict mobility for the forces on both sides.
If you introduce subs then that would make a blockade very difficult for the north depending on the relative number of forces added to both sides. Its also going to make everybody else very unhappy about such 'ungentlemanly' methods, especially if merchant ships start getting sunk.
The appearance of such weaponry, especially with the industrial base and knowledge to support it is going to put the rest of the developed world in a total panic, especially probably Britain which has seen its place as No. 1 industrial power totally destroyed and going to be very concerned with two aggressive powers in N America now so hugely powerful.
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Post by Zyobot on Jul 22, 2019 14:40:34 GMT
‘Historical Military Leaders Get Modern Military Training’. The likes of Napoleon and General Patton would be resurrected into the 21st Century world and restored to their physical prime, of course.
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Post by eurowatch on Jul 22, 2019 14:45:47 GMT
‘Historical Military Leaders Get Modern Military Training’. The likes of Napoleon and General Patton would be resurrected into the 21st Century world and restored to their physical prime, of course. Historic military leaders typically got training that was at least as extensive as they could get today, if not more so. And when they didn't it was because their job was to make plans for how to win the Battle, not to be part of the Battle itself. |
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Post by Zyobot on Jul 22, 2019 14:54:02 GMT
‘Historical Military Leaders Get Modern Military Training’. The likes of Napoleon and General Patton would be resurrected into the 21st Century world and restored to their physical prime, of course. Historic military leaders typically got training that was at least as extensive as they could get today, if not more so. And when they didn't it was because their job was to make plans for how to win the Battle, not to be part of the Battle itself. I don’t doubt that, considering how comparatively war-prone the world was even a few generations ago. But how would they do if faced with the prospect of going through modern officer training, with all of the advances—doctrinal, socio-cultural, and technological—that have taken place since their OTL deaths? Pre-Civil Rights military masterminds would have to consciously work to hold their tongues whenever they have racist, sexist, or otherwise bigoted thoughts that they feel tempted to share, for instance. |
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Post by Zyobot on Jul 23, 2019 15:12:53 GMT
'1950s Hollywood Given Modern Entertainment'. In addition to the most obvious distinguishing qualities--full-color depiction, realistic sound, more complex storylines, lots of then-taboo themes, and futuristic devices needed to play them--the Transatlantic accent of yesteryear would also be strangely absent.
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Post by stevep on Jul 23, 2019 22:37:09 GMT
'1950s Hollywood Given Modern Entertainment'. In addition to the most obvious distinguishing qualities--full-color depiction, realistic sound, more complex storylines, lots of then-taboo themes, and futuristic devices needed to play them--the Transatlantic accent of yesteryear would also be strangely absent.
Given or forced? Some of those things the companies probably wouldn't want anyway and would be forbidden by the authorities as well as public opinion in some cases. So unless the ASB is literally forcing their inclusion they wouldn't happen.
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Post by Zyobot on Jul 23, 2019 22:41:34 GMT
'1950s Hollywood Given Modern Entertainment'. In addition to the most obvious distinguishing qualities--full-color depiction, realistic sound, more complex storylines, lots of then-taboo themes, and futuristic devices needed to play them--the Transatlantic accent of yesteryear would also be strangely absent.
Given or forced? Some of those things the companies probably wouldn't want anyway and would be forbidden by the authorities as well as public opinion in some cases. So unless the ASB is literally forcing their inclusion they wouldn't happen.
Good point. I guess I could amend the scenario so that these entertainment companies are somehow compelled to air the media by ASB, and that it inexplicably shows up with modern visuals and sound quality on '50s TV sets. |
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Post by Zyobot on Jul 25, 2019 12:32:46 GMT
'1980s Students At Modern Colleges/Universities'. What might make for an even more interesting scenario is having professors and other post-secondary educators from that time get sent to the present day, and having to update their thirty-something-years-dated knowledge accordingly.
In fact, they also ought to keep in mind the possibility that learners are more knowledgeable than them in certain ways, i.e. programming and/or web design.
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Post by stevep on Jul 25, 2019 17:05:56 GMT
'1980s Students At Modern Colleges/Universities'. What might make for an even more interesting scenario is having professors and other post-secondary educators from that time get sent to the present day, and having to update their thirty-something-years-dated knowledge accordingly. In fact, they also ought to keep in mind the possibility that learners are more knowledgeable than them in certain ways, i.e. programming and/or web design.
They would also probably be in a number of other areas. For instance astronomy as we know a hell of a lot more about the outer solar system especially and exoplanets - which were speculated about but unknown in the 1980s. Ditto say a lot of archaeology and some other similar areas. A lot of genetics and biology as well.
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Post by Zyobot on Jul 25, 2019 17:53:15 GMT
'1980s Students At Modern Colleges/Universities'. What might make for an even more interesting scenario is having professors and other post-secondary educators from that time get sent to the present day, and having to update their thirty-something-years-dated knowledge accordingly. In fact, they also ought to keep in mind the possibility that learners are more knowledgeable than them in certain ways, i.e. programming and/or web design.
They would also probably be in a number of other areas. For instance astronomy as we know a hell of a lot more about the outer solar system especially and exoplanets - which were speculated about but unknown in the 1980s. Ditto say a lot of archaeology and some other similar areas. A lot of genetics and biology as well.
Since that's the case, I wonder how engineering and technology-oriented professors would do once exposed to 21st Century STEM. While the more iconic breakthroughs such as cell phones, personal computers and smart devices may not catch their lot totally off-guard, I'd surmise that even they would be surprised at the size and scope of the World Wide Web as it exists in 2019+. |
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Post by Zyobot on Jul 26, 2019 18:50:06 GMT
‘Anarcho-Communist Wild West’.
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Post by Zyobot on Jul 27, 2019 19:41:46 GMT
‘World Without Certain Fictional Genres’, i.e. fantasy or sci-fi. Also, can you imagine a world with only Disney movies—especially if it suddenly obtained OTL films from its competitors?
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Post by lordroel on Jul 27, 2019 19:46:19 GMT
‘World Without Certain Fictional Genres’, i.e. fantasy or sci-fi. Also, can you imagine a world with only Disney movies—especially if it suddenly obtained OTL films from its competitors? So what if Walt Disney was never born type of universe then. |
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