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Post by stevep on Apr 1, 2019 14:56:38 GMT
Okay, then. What about a modern Big Four Allies excluding the US--so Russia, China and the UK--ISOT to an Axis Victory World? I imagine that upon deducing what just happened, the sent-over powers will get into the largest, most high-stakes conflict since OTL's World War II. Wich year are those coming from and does the Uk also have it’s overseas possessions.
I suspect its from the same date as the MitHC is set, which I think was about 1961 IITC - a hell of a long time since I read the book. Note this empire is a rival to the US controlled region in the world it comes from and not only has most of its OTL overseas possessions including India somehow and all of Europe up to the Urals. [Don't ask me how, that's just what it says in the books!] The US has China and Japan basically in its sphere and probably most of Latin America that isn't British but what the status of Canada would be could be difficult.
In that case the European part of the British empire would largely obliterate the Nazis empire while if the other areas were brought across most of Nazis Africa and probably all their other territories outside Nazi occupied US have probably gone. There might be issues with any missile subs they have and their bases on Luna - although I doubt any outposts on Mars or Venus would have any real impact. [Which raises the questions of what MitHC Venus is like. Difficult to see it being like our over-baked hell-hole and having a German base surviving there.]
If the entire British empire from the book came across then barring nukes in the rump areas left or at sea the Nazis would be history but the Japanese empire would probably be a problem. Although I suspect that the Indonesia region, or a good chunk of it is probably also British. Can't remember whether Japan had nuked in the book but would expect so else they would no longer exist as an independent state I suspect. The dangerous thing is that Nazi outposts, familiar with controlling most of the world and being brought up on Ayan superiority is likely to react very badly so once they realise what's happened there could be a very nasty nuclear exchange. 
Damn just realised your talking about a different scenario but having written the above I will leave it.
In terms of what you said with Britain, Russia and China suddenly appearing it would depend on the date their from and what the set up is for both them and the Nazi victory world as it wouldn't necessarily come from MitHC. Hope that Britain would keep the dominions and whatever empire if say it was from ~1961 else its going to be very weak but even then any Nazi victory world would have pretty much all of Europe other than what Britain and the Russia/USSR holds.
Edit! Damn it misunderstood again. Seen the later notes. What's wrong with my brain today??
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Post by stevep on Apr 1, 2019 15:04:43 GMT
May I ask why the Big Four would survive much better than their modern counterparts, though? The had bigger armies in 1989 then current 2019.
China would be much weaker from 1989 compared to 2019 but the Soviets and Britain would probably be stronger. Especially since the former would also include the former USSR in full I would guess, including Ukraine, central asia and other areas. Although if it doesn't have the former Warsaw Pact powers its not only lost them but a lot of its elite forces based there.
A lot would depend on what actual areas Germany controls in this scenario and how its been governed but I see a large chance of a nuclear exchange! Either the say 1989 USSR or a much weaker Russia from 2019 are likely to be desperate when faced with a superpower Nazi Germany while it wouldn't be happy seeing their great Slavic enemy suddenly resurrected and presuming displacing millions of German settlers in the east.
I fear even with India Britain would be toast in this scenario, even if things don't go nuclear very quickly.  It would have lost most of its trade links and the empire is largely gone by then, along with BAOR and other forces based in areas now under Nazi control. |
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Post by Zyobot on Apr 1, 2019 21:08:53 GMT
May I ask why the Big Four would survive much better than their modern counterparts, though? The had bigger armies in 1989 then current 2019. Couldn't a 30-year tech edge counterbalance smaller military size, though? Also, since I'm still fixated on it, 'The Man In The High Castle Characters React to OTL Star Wars'. Since the latter fictional universe is themed around fighting for one's liberty in the face of iron-fisted tyranny, maybe it'd be inspirational to the American Resistance, though fatally heretical in the eyes of the Greater German Reich. Plus, we already have a Media Hub thread featuring a Rebel Alliance ISOT to TTL anyways. |
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Post by Zyobot on Apr 1, 2019 21:10:57 GMT
Characters from British sitcoms arrive on our Earth - how does Basil Fawlty - who is from the late 1970s - react to our 2019? I'm wondering much the same thing in regards to characters from American ones, i.e. Leave It To Beaver or That '70s Show. We were already discussing that a bit in the Media Hub, to my recollection. |
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Post by Zyobot on Apr 2, 2019 0:58:05 GMT
The had bigger armies in 1989 then current 2019. Couldn't a 30-year tech edge counterbalance smaller military size, though? Also, since I'm still fixated on it, 'The Man In The High Castle Characters React to OTL Star Wars'. Since the latter fictional universe is themed around fighting for one's liberty in the face of iron-fisted tyranny, maybe it'd be inspirational to the American Resistance, though fatally heretical in the eyes of the Greater German Reich. Plus, we already have a Media Hub thread featuring a Rebel Alliance ISOT to TTL anyways. Another Star Wars crossover idea of mine: 'WI Grand Moff Tarkin Joined the Greater German Reich?'. A whole lot more death and suppression is the short answer to that prompt, specifically if he were made a top military leader. {Spoiler}
I also wonder what'd happen if Thomas Smith--upon being terminated at the end of Season 2 due to his muscular dystrophy--woke up in the Star Wars universe?
Perhaps even aboard a medical frigate where his disability's being treated, similar to the one where Luke's prosthetic hand is installed at the end of Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back? |
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Post by mullauna on Apr 2, 2019 7:03:43 GMT
For whatever reason, I got confused as a child - probably cause of that book where she dresses up as Princess Bongawee - and thought that Bets from Enid Blyton's The Five Find-Outers and Dog was really Portuguese - well she had to have been of exotic ancestry to be able to disguise as an exotic child princess. At least that how my child mind went.
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Post by Zyobot on Apr 2, 2019 12:11:49 GMT
For whatever reason, I got confused as a child - probably cause of that book where she dresses up as Princess Bongawee - and thought that Bets from Enid Blyton's The Five Find-Outers and Dog was really Portuguese - well she had to have been of exotic ancestry to be able to disguise as an exotic child princess. At least that how my child mind went. I'm...afraid I don't understand. |
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Post by lordroel on Apr 2, 2019 14:59:40 GMT
For whatever reason, I got confused as a child - probably cause of that book where she dresses up as Princess Bongawee - and thought that Bets from Enid Blyton's The Five Find-Outers and Dog was really Portuguese - well she had to have been of exotic ancestry to be able to disguise as an exotic child princess. At least that how my child mind went. i made it clear several times using both advice and warnings that these kind of post should not belong here, this post again shows that you have ignored my warnings, also i do not see any link this post has to the Frivolous ASB thread, i have no other choice to give you a temporary ban that will end on April 9th. |
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Post by Zyobot on Apr 2, 2019 17:56:01 GMT
'WI Holocaust Deniers Suddenly Realized They Were Wrong?' Since this is both frivolous and a bannable subject around here, I imagine that such a thread would end up rather...poorly received by the forum's staff.
Also, I just reached 1,000 posts and therefore got promoted to Commander! Yay, me!
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Post by lordroel on Apr 2, 2019 19:04:38 GMT
'WI Holocaust Deniers Suddenly Realized They Were Wrong?' Since this is both frivolous and a bannable subject around here, I imagine that such a thread would end up rather...poorly received by the forum's staff. ! That it surely is, jokes ore threads about making the Holocaust anything else than it is is not looked so good at the forum by the mods. |
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Post by Zyobot on Apr 2, 2019 20:21:08 GMT
'WI Holocaust Deniers Suddenly Realized They Were Wrong?' Since this is both frivolous and a bannable subject around here, I imagine that such a thread would end up rather...poorly received by the forum's staff. ! That it surely is, jokes ore threads about making the Holocaust anything else than it is is not looked so good at the forum by the mods. In that case, perhaps it's my best bet to avoid as grave a topic as that in general. However, a great deal of annoyance and irrationality would be done away with if Holocaust denial were to suddenly disappear. Then, we could all finally acknowledge what happened and properly address the fact that it did without the screeching yahoos in the background. To get back on topic, though, 'WI Donald Trump Suddenly Turned Communist?'. Not only would that likely be too frivolous, it'd also be much too political for the ASB forum. Oh, well. |
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Post by Zyobot on Apr 3, 2019 1:19:07 GMT
I wonder how an ISOT involving an Imperial Guard contingent (not sure which one at the moment), or even a single soldier, getting sent to The Man In The High Castle world would go. Warhammer 40K is so horror-drowned that a world split between two totalitarian hellholes would hardly faze someone accustomed to living in "the grim darkness of the far future."
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Post by lordroel on Apr 3, 2019 3:21:35 GMT
I wonder how an ISOT involving an Imperial Guard contingent (not sure which one at the moment), or even a single soldier, getting sent to The Man In The High Castle world would go. Warhammer 40K is so horror-drowned that a world split between two totalitarian hellholes would hardly faze someone accustomed to living in "the grim darkness of the far future." I wonder how much is needed to kill one Imperial Guard by forces who use current weapons we have. |
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Post by Zyobot on Apr 3, 2019 11:44:29 GMT
I wonder how an ISOT involving an Imperial Guard contingent (not sure which one at the moment), or even a single soldier, getting sent to The Man In The High Castle world would go. Warhammer 40K is so horror-drowned that a world split between two totalitarian hellholes would hardly faze someone accustomed to living in "the grim darkness of the far future." I wonder how much is needed to kill one Imperial Guard by forces who use current weapons we have. Those weapons would be a few decades behind in the case of a Man In The High Castle ISOT. |
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Post by lordroel on Apr 3, 2019 14:20:06 GMT
I wonder how much is needed to kill one Imperial Guard by forces who use current weapons we have. Those weapons would be a few decades behind in the case of a Man In The High Castle ISOT. My fault, forgot that the Imperial Guard are the regular grunts of the Warhammerverse, i should have meant, what is needed to kill one Space Marines by forces who use current weapons we have. |
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It would have lost most of its trade links and the empire is largely gone by then, along with BAOR and other forces based in areas now under Nazi control.