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Post by stevep on Mar 24, 2021 10:40:50 GMT
‘Adolf Hitler Gets Albert Einstein’s I.Q.’ World War II would have been more favorable on Germany's case.
Well they would do better, IF they fight it at all. However if Hitler retains his xenophobia and other delusions it could make very little difference. In fact it could be worse for Germany if their able to fight a bit longer as the final defeat of Germany could be even more destructive and the peace terms harsher. Not to mention if they last ~6 months longer you could see the 1st military use of nukes here rather than against Japan.
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Post by gillan1220 on Mar 24, 2021 10:58:24 GMT
World War II would have been more favorable on Germany's case.
Well they would do better, IF they fight it at all. However if Hitler retains his xenophobia and other delusions it could make very little difference. In fact it could be worse for Germany if their able to fight a bit longer as the final defeat of Germany could be even more destructive and the peace terms harsher. Not to mention if they last ~6 months longer you could see the 1st military use of nukes here rather than against Japan.
Where there ever plans to use the atomic bomb against Germany?
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Post by stevep on Mar 24, 2021 11:20:41 GMT
Well they would do better, IF they fight it at all. However if Hitler retains his xenophobia and other delusions it could make very little difference. In fact it could be worse for Germany if their able to fight a bit longer as the final defeat of Germany could be even more destructive and the peace terms harsher. Not to mention if they last ~6 months longer you could see the 1st military use of nukes here rather than against Japan.
Where there ever plans to use the atomic bomb against Germany?
There have been suggestions that if it was on its last legs it wouldn't be worthwhile and that the US has some reluctance to use it against a fellow white European nation. However the initial purpose of both the UK and then the US programmes was to beat the Germans to nuclear weapons as they feared Hitler getting them 1st so presuming that the western allies got nukes and Germany was still looking powerful and costly to take down, let alone getting near to a nuke itself if would be stupid not to use them against Germany.
Of course by late 44-45 a fair number of the scientists themselves had doubts about the morality of using such a weapon when it looked certain Germany was doomed and no one expected Japan [accurately in that case] had no chance of developing such weapons. However they had relatively little say and given the uncertainty about getting Japan to surrender and the probably costs to both sides of an invasion using them was probably the correct choice.
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Post by Zyobot on Mar 27, 2021 4:10:35 GMT
‘ This Video Premieres Instead Of The Star Wars Holiday Special In 1978’.
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Post by Zyobot on Apr 17, 2021 1:27:27 GMT
'Erwin Rommel Gains Telepathic Control Over All Desert Foxes In 1944'.
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Post by stevep on Apr 17, 2021 9:32:17 GMT
'Erwin Rommel Gains Telepathic Control Over All Desert Foxes In 1944'.
Assuming you mean the actual animals then I doubt it would make a lot of difference as the Axis are out of Africa by then and the allies already installed in Italy even if its before the D Day landings.
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Post by Zyobot on Apr 17, 2021 17:00:33 GMT
'Erwin Rommel Gains Telepathic Control Over All Desert Foxes In 1944'.
Assuming you mean the actual animals then I doubt it would make a lot of difference as the Axis are out of Africa by then and the allies already installed in Italy even if its before the D Day landings.
Which makes it all the more frivolous, as is in line with the thread topic. Also, ' The Mandalorian Airs On November 17th, 1978'. So, rather than the train-wreck of a Holiday Special the audience got IOTL, they're treated to an HD premiere of a highly praised Disney+ series.
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Post by Zyobot on Apr 20, 2021 16:58:49 GMT
‘Hostile Minecraft Mobs Spawn In The Dark’. Mostly Zombies, Skeletons, Spiders, and Creepers, though the occasional Enderman or Witch may materialize. Ditto with Phantoms, at least to haggle insomniacs.
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Post by Zyobot on Apr 21, 2021 18:14:49 GMT
'1998 Pol Pot SI To 1938 Joseph Stalin'.
...Oh, shit.
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Post by stevep on Apr 22, 2021 9:43:39 GMT
'1998 Pol Pot SI To 1938 Joseph Stalin'. ...Oh, shit.
Yes he could screw over the USSR even more than Stalin which would be very bad come 1941. You might end up with the Nazis winning which is likely at the least to make the WWII death toll far higher than OTL.
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Post by Zyobot on Apr 22, 2021 17:58:56 GMT
'1998 Pol Pot SI To 1938 Joseph Stalin'. ...Oh, shit.
Yes he could screw over the USSR even more than Stalin which would be very bad come 1941. You might end up with the Nazis winning which is likely at the least to make the WWII death toll far higher than OTL. Generaleplan Ost will indeed be implemented ITTL, it seems. Or, maybe not, considering how Germany wouldn’t have to dedicate as many resources to enslaving and exterminating the Soviet population, when Pol Pot has already run it into the ground for them. Given how bonkers he was in real life, though, I also wonder whether Pol Pot would combine auto-genocidal deindustrialization at home with a batshit crazy attempt to overrun Nazi Germany, making the USSR the one to deliver the first strike this time around. You’d probably know more about how things would proceed from here, though, since I’m at a loss as to what happens next. On the one hand, I believe that Germany’s still dependent on raw-material shipments from the Soviets, so Pol Pot cutting them off before storming into Europe would trigger fireworks early, with Hitler being much less prepared than in 1941. On the other, Pol Pot decimating the Soviet economic base while also throwing his forces at Western Europe would leave the USSR at a huge disadvantage. Quite frankly, I don’t know which country’s situation is worse, at least in terms of military preparedness.
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Post by stevep on Apr 23, 2021 10:23:41 GMT
Yes he could screw over the USSR even more than Stalin which would be very bad come 1941. You might end up with the Nazis winning which is likely at the least to make the WWII death toll far higher than OTL. Generaleplan Ost will indeed be implemented ITTL, it seems. Or, maybe not, considering how Germany wouldn’t have to dedicate as many resources to enslaving and exterminating the Soviet population, when Pol Pot has already run it into the ground for them. Given how bonkers he was in real life, though, I also wonder whether Pol Pot would combine auto-genocidal deindustrialization at home with a batshit crazy attempt to overrun Nazi Germany, making the USSR the one to deliver the first strike this time around. You’d probably know more about how things would proceed from here, though, since I’m at a loss as to what happens next. On the one hand, I believe that Germany’s still dependent on raw-material shipments from the Soviets, so Pol Pot cutting them off before storming into Europe would trigger fireworks early, with Hitler being much less prepared than in 1941. On the other, Pol Pot decimating the Soviet economic base while also throwing his forces at Western Europe would leave the USSR at a huge disadvantage. Quite frankly, I don’t know which country’s situation is worse, at least in terms of military preparedness.
Well if he refuses the RM Pact and then attacks after the conquest of Poland by the Germans - assuming they still do that without the Pact - then it could be bad for the Nazis as their going to have severe supply issues as well as not having time to replace the losses - including damaged but repairable equipment. Otherwise however its going to be an even bigger disaster for the Soviet populations than OTL. Which not only means the hunger plan probably gets implemented but Nazi Germany has far more resources to fight the western powers. [Currently in a debate on the Sietch with a couple of people who are arguing that if the Soviets collapsed the US would immediately make a separate peace with Hitler pretty much regardless of the terms!]
Unless of course the drastic change in attitude, with the destruction of the industrial base so painfully established, is finally enough that someone arranges for 'Stalin' to have an 'accident'. In which case a lot depends on who emerges from the resultant power struggle and how long and destructive or not that is.
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Post by Zyobot on Apr 23, 2021 14:42:58 GMT
Generaleplan Ost will indeed be implemented ITTL, it seems. Or, maybe not, considering how Germany wouldn’t have to dedicate as many resources to enslaving and exterminating the Soviet population, when Pol Pot has already run it into the ground for them. Given how bonkers he was in real life, though, I also wonder whether Pol Pot would combine auto-genocidal deindustrialization at home with a batshit crazy attempt to overrun Nazi Germany, making the USSR the one to deliver the first strike this time around. You’d probably know more about how things would proceed from here, though, since I’m at a loss as to what happens next. On the one hand, I believe that Germany’s still dependent on raw-material shipments from the Soviets, so Pol Pot cutting them off before storming into Europe would trigger fireworks early, with Hitler being much less prepared than in 1941. On the other, Pol Pot decimating the Soviet economic base while also throwing his forces at Western Europe would leave the USSR at a huge disadvantage. Quite frankly, I don’t know which country’s situation is worse, at least in terms of military preparedness.
Well if he refuses the RM Pact and then attacks after the conquest of Poland by the Germans - assuming they still do that without the Pact - then it could be bad for the Nazis as their going to have severe supply issues as well as not having time to replace the losses - including damaged but repairable equipment. Otherwise however its going to be an even bigger disaster for the Soviet populations than OTL. Which not only means the hunger plan probably gets implemented but Nazi Germany has far more resources to fight the western powers. [Currently in a debate on the Sietch with a couple of people who are arguing that if the Soviets collapsed the US would immediately make a separate peace with Hitler pretty much regardless of the terms!]
Unless of course the drastic change in attitude, with the destruction of the industrial base so painfully established, is finally enough that someone arranges for 'Stalin' to have an 'accident'. In which case a lot depends on who emerges from the resultant power struggle and how long and destructive or not that is.
That helps a lot, thanks. Given Pol Pot's druthers, I assume he'd recognize Germany as a geopolitical threat, never mind his recollection of how WW2 went from his youth. As such, breaking the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact first seems like the most likely course of action to me, especially with how unprepared the Nazis are for a confrontation this early. However, considering how bat-shit insane he was, my guess is that a war between Hitler's Germany and Pol Pot's Russia won't have winners--only losers.
Granted, I also wondered whether someone would off "Stalin" early, never mind how people would privately scratch their heads at the General Secretary's sudden about-face and bloodthirstiness, even beyond the status quo of state terror and persecution. In the meantime, maybe Pol Pot would consider implementing more artificial famines at home reminiscent of the Holodomor, in a deliberate effort to depopulate and de-industrialize the USSR? If so, that'd likely eclipse the Holocaust for worst atrocity on record, with a "Stalin" who leaves a sufficiently bloody history going down as greatest villain of the twentieth century. Or, maybe not, since a number of Soviet leaders might say "Fuck it!" and "do away with the unwell leader" before the damage becomes too extreme, as you predict.
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Post by Zyobot on Apr 25, 2021 2:43:26 GMT
'ASB Locks JFK and Lee Harvey Oswald In A Room Together'.
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Post by Zyobot on Apr 27, 2021 2:39:46 GMT
‘Andrew Johnson And Lyndon Johnson Become Roommates In 2021’.
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