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Post by gillan1220 on Nov 28, 2021 5:16:56 GMT
Age. 36 and 37 years is fairly standard for a carrier life. The PA 58 would be a resource sink in that it doesn’t give enough capacity to justify its cost and operational costs. Considering the France basically dominates the Med, what other reasons should France have a carrier? Their overseas possessions are not threatened by a belligerent power nor are these possessions significant targets to the OPFOR. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Nov 28, 2021 5:25:23 GMT
When has France dominated the Mediterranean in modern times?
France had carriers as they were part and parcel of having a top line blue water navy that can project power. They never suffered from a Khrushchev or the British “carriers are obsolete” dementia. One doesn’t merely operate aircraft carriers to defend overseas holdings.
France has a permanent seat on the UNSC and has spent a great deal of money and effort since 1945 to maintain its perceived front ranking status. That is inimical to not operating carriers on grounds of cross. Pour la gloire.
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Post by gillan1220 on Nov 28, 2021 8:22:43 GMT
When has France dominated the Mediterranean in modern times? France had carriers as they were part and parcel of having a top line blue water navy that can project power. They never suffered from a Khrushchev or the British “carriers are obsolete” dementia. One doesn’t merely operate aircraft carriers to defend overseas holdings. France has a permanent seat on the UNSC and has spent a great deal of money and effort since 1945 to maintain its perceived front ranking status. That is inimical to not operating carriers on grounds of cross. Pour la gloire. I mean the MN is the strongest navy in the Med. Then it's either followed by the Spanish Navy and the RM. The fact they have one carrier is a game changer. Hence, why France was one of the first countries to conduct strikes against Gadaffi in 2011. Yes, I agree having carriers is a big energy. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Nov 28, 2021 9:17:10 GMT
The strongest navy in the Mediterranean is the USN, followed by the Russians. The French came into their current position as a very distant third by default after the British pulled out of the Med game in the late 1960s.
Having one carrier to cover the Med, the Atlantic and the Indian Ocean isn’t an indicator of mastery or strength, but being stretched bally thin.
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Post by lordroel on Nov 28, 2021 9:24:05 GMT
The strongest navy in the Mediterranean is the USN, followed by the Russians. The French came into their current position as a very distant third by default after the British pulled out of the Med game in the late 1960s. Having one carrier to cover the Med, the Atlantic and the Indian Ocean isn’t an indicator of mastery or strength, but being stretched bally thin. That is why i said it was better for the French to build 2 Verdun's so they at least could have a 100 % carrier capacity instead of having a nuclear carrier which might be out of service for a year ore 2 when its getting upgraded ore its nuclear fuel refreshed. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Nov 28, 2021 9:56:03 GMT
No.
The lack of capability and small size of the Verduns not only means that CdG won’t be built, but binds France with chains of gold into operating two too-small carriers. They will likely be decommissioned shortly after the end of the Cold War and that timing will be a steak to the heart of a replacement carrier project. The British were bad enough with CVF taking 20 years to go from concept to commissioning and they were and are head and shoulders above France in their ability to design and build successfully.
All along, there will be mounting pressure from an ever voracious Treasury to cut military expenditure. That they call the shots in Britain, France and elsewhere is a limitation that holds them back from serious power status.
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