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Post by La Rouge Beret on Aug 15, 2021 0:00:16 GMT
King O'Higgins of Chili, sounds nice, we have seen before with man with great power comes the temptation to rule forever, Agustín de Iturbide and Napoléon Bonaparte are two exmaples i can think of. The Empire of the Quechua speaking peoples was divided in to four quarters or suyu: Chinchay Suyu [North West], Antisuyu [North East], Kuntisuyu [South West] and; Qullasuyu [South East]. The quarters converged on the ancient city of Qosqo or Cusco (a breath-taking, and I do mean quite literally breath taking, city built in the shape of a Puma deep in the Amazon). It stands to reason that if El imperio de américa is successful then the Inca may reorganise his lands in a similar manner creating a federal Empire echoing that of his ancestors. The Inca may choose to relocate the capital to somewhere else, either a pre-existing city or a purpose built city, if he thought that Cusco was too remote from his northern provinces. See this is why I love asking questions on the internet, as you find out so much about history. Which modern countries do the respective suyu's cover, for instance across Ecuador, all of Peru, into Chile. As that would give me a better idea. |
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Post by stevep on Aug 15, 2021 10:27:10 GMT
The Empire of the Quechua speaking peoples was divided in to four quarters or suyu: Chinchay Suyu [North West], Antisuyu [North East], Kuntisuyu [South West] and; Qullasuyu [South East]. The quarters converged on the ancient city of Qosqo or Cusco (a breath-taking, and I do mean quite literally breath taking, city built in the shape of a Puma deep in the Amazon). It stands to reason that if El imperio de américa is successful then the Inca may reorganise his lands in a similar manner creating a federal Empire echoing that of his ancestors. The Inca may choose to relocate the capital to somewhere else, either a pre-existing city or a purpose built city, if he thought that Cusco was too remote from his northern provinces. See this is why I love asking questions on the internet, as you find out so much about history. Which modern countries do the respective suyu's cover, for instance across Ecuador, all of Peru, into Chile. As that would give me a better idea.
This map from the wiki post for the Inca Empire expansion gives some idea. Also how rapidly the empire expanded as it was pretty much a century old when the Spanish arrived.
I do have a query about this as it seems to suggest that the empire, while reaching to from a corner of Columbia to northern Chile and including a small slice of Argentina seems to suggest that it didn't include most of eastern Peru and Bolivia while I thought I had read of them having territory in the western parts of the Amazon basin? Thought that one of the last holdouts was actually in jungle area but that doesn't seem to be included.
Hope this helps.
Steve
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Post by halferking on Aug 15, 2021 11:10:50 GMT
The Empire of the Quechua speaking peoples was divided in to four quarters or suyu: Chinchay Suyu [North West], Antisuyu [North East], Kuntisuyu [South West] and; Qullasuyu [South East]. The quarters converged on the ancient city of Qosqo or Cusco (a breath-taking, and I do mean quite literally breath taking, city built in the shape of a Puma deep in the Amazon). It stands to reason that if El imperio de américa is successful then the Inca may reorganise his lands in a similar manner creating a federal Empire echoing that of his ancestors. The Inca may choose to relocate the capital to somewhere else, either a pre-existing city or a purpose built city, if he thought that Cusco was too remote from his northern provinces. See this is why I love asking questions on the internet, as you find out so much about history. Which modern countries do the respective suyu's cover, for instance across Ecuador, all of Peru, into Chile. As that would give me a better idea. The above link to ancient origins website shows a picture of the four areas of the Empire. At its height the Empire stretched from roughly around Pasto, Colombia to the Maule River in Chile, it covered the Andes in Argentina up to the area around Jujuy, about two third of Bolivia and most if not all of Peru and Ecuador. This makes it a 'multicultural' Empire as apposed to a Quechua speaking Empire i.e., there were other groups of people who spoke different languages for example the Aymara speaking people. Numerology was a big thing for the Empire for example 3 - it represented the universe and it is best symbolised through the Condor, the Puma and the Snake - the Condor being the heaven, Puma the earth and Snake the underworld. The below link are images of the Flag www.bing.com/images/search?q=Cusco+Flag&form=RESTAB&first=1&tsc=ImageBasicHover&wlsso=0Also the 'Inca' were capable of adapting the environment to suit their needs i.e., they were able to create micro climates... ![]() |
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Post by halferking on Aug 15, 2021 11:30:54 GMT
See this is why I love asking questions on the internet, as you find out so much about history. Which modern countries do the respective suyu's cover, for instance across Ecuador, all of Peru, into Chile. As that would give me a better idea.
This map from the wiki post for the Inca Empire expansion gives some idea. Also how rapidly the empire expanded as it was pretty much a century old when the Spanish arrived.
I do have a query about this as it seems to suggest that the empire, while reaching to from a corner of Columbia to northern Chile and including a small slice of Argentina seems to suggest that it didn't include most of eastern Peru and Bolivia while I thought I had read of them having territory in the western parts of the Amazon basin? Thought that one of the last holdouts was actually in jungle area but that doesn't seem to be included.
Hope this helps.
Steve
The Amazon Basin is massive and by massive I mean it covers around 2.67 million sq miles (almost the size of as the 48 states of the continental US) so the Empire's territory did include western parts of the Amazon Basin. The last stronghold of the 'Inca' was a city on the banks of the Urubamba River near Cusco. Westerners will know it as Machu Picchu, but the actual name of the city is unknown because Machu Picchu refers to the mountain the ruins sit on and not the city. The sugar loaf mountain shaped mountain in pictures is call Huayna Picchu and there are ruins on that to. It is said that when Hiram Bingham went in search of the fabled city of the clouds he asked a local boy who promptly said Machu Picchu and this is said to be the reason as to why we refer to the ruins by that name. |
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Post by stevep on Aug 16, 2021 10:07:54 GMT
This map from the wiki post for the Inca Empire expansion gives some idea. Also how rapidly the empire expanded as it was pretty much a century old when the Spanish arrived.
I do have a query about this as it seems to suggest that the empire, while reaching to from a corner of Columbia to northern Chile and including a small slice of Argentina seems to suggest that it didn't include most of eastern Peru and Bolivia while I thought I had read of them having territory in the western parts of the Amazon basin? Thought that one of the last holdouts was actually in jungle area but that doesn't seem to be included.
Hope this helps.
Steve
The Amazon Basin is massive and by massive I mean it covers around 2.67 million sq miles (almost the size of as the 48 states of the continental US) so the Empire's territory did include western parts of the Amazon Basin. The last stronghold of the 'Inca' was a city on the banks of the Urubamba River near Cusco. Westerners will know it as Machu Picchu, but the actual name of the city is unknown because Machu Picchu refers to the mountain the ruins sit on and not the city. The sugar loaf mountain shaped mountain in pictures is call Huayna Picchu and there are ruins on that to. It is said that when Hiram Bingham went in search of the fabled city of the clouds he asked a local boy who promptly said Machu Picchu and this is said to be the reason as to why we refer to the ruins by that name.
That's what I thought but from the map I saw I didn't think the area displayed went east of the Andes highlands themselves which is why I was somewhat dubious of it. Possibly mis-thinking how much of Bolivia/Peru is actually mountainous.
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Post by halferking on Aug 16, 2021 20:56:11 GMT
The Amazon Basin is massive and by massive I mean it covers around 2.67 million sq miles (almost the size of as the 48 states of the continental US) so the Empire's territory did include western parts of the Amazon Basin. The last stronghold of the 'Inca' was a city on the banks of the Urubamba River near Cusco. Westerners will know it as Machu Picchu, but the actual name of the city is unknown because Machu Picchu refers to the mountain the ruins sit on and not the city. The sugar loaf mountain shaped mountain in pictures is call Huayna Picchu and there are ruins on that to. It is said that when Hiram Bingham went in search of the fabled city of the clouds he asked a local boy who promptly said Machu Picchu and this is said to be the reason as to why we refer to the ruins by that name.
That's what I thought but from the map I saw I didn't think the area displayed went east of the Andes highlands themselves which is why I was somewhat dubious of it. Possibly mis-thinking how much of Bolivia/Peru is actually mountainous.
Steve
Both Peru and Bolivia are mountainous countries - Cusco for example is at least 12,000ft above sea level (some hotels offer oxygen...) |
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Post by stevep on Aug 17, 2021 10:03:22 GMT
That's what I thought but from the map I saw I didn't think the area displayed went east of the Andes highlands themselves which is why I was somewhat dubious of it. Possibly mis-thinking how much of Bolivia/Peru is actually mountainous.
Steve
Both Peru and Bolivia are mountainous countries - Cusco for example is at least 12,000ft above sea level (some hotels offer oxygen...)
Exactly my point. However some of the eastern reaches are in the Amazonian lowlands but it didn't look from the maps as if it showed the empire reaching that far.
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Post by halferking on Aug 17, 2021 18:21:14 GMT
Both Peru and Bolivia are mountainous countries - Cusco for example is at least 12,000ft above sea level (some hotels offer oxygen...)
Exactly my point. However some of the eastern reaches are in the Amazonian lowlands but it didn't look from the maps as if it showed the empire reaching that far.
I guess it depends on who draws the map as to how accurate it is. I have included three photos that I took on my amazing trip to Peru. It gives you an idea of the sort of terrain the 'Incans' were dealing with (1) A view of Huayna Picchu and the City of the Clouds (Machu Picchu) ![]()  (2) View of the Sacred Valley from the top of Ollantytambo  (3) La plaza de Armas, Cusco  |
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