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Post by gillan1220 on Feb 20, 2021 19:00:31 GMT
Similar thread in the other forum set in 2018: How would your country's military or police deal with the dinosaurs in Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom?Given that the AFP does not have tanks, they could still take care of the dinosaurs fairly well. In this 2020-2021 setting, all the AFP needs to do is to send air and armor assets to take care of large carnivores or aerial threats. On land: The Philippine Army, Marines, and the PNP with the SWAT and Special Action Force could deal with small to medium size carnivores. If there was a large carnivore such as a T. rex, a Spinosaurus, Carnotaurus, or Indominus, the Army could deploy an M113 with an 25 mm RCWS chaingun or an M134 minigun that could tear these dinosaurs apart. There's also one LAV-300 and a handful of AIFVs that could take care of them. If that's considered overkill, a V-150 or a GKN Simba with .50 caliber MG could still do the job. I d Philippine Army M113 APC, Simba APC, US IAV Stryker Join Combined Live-Fire Exercise
WATCH | PH Army APC with 25mm M242 Bushmaster Machine Gun SystemOn air: Even with only two AH-1 Cobras from Jordan, that should do the trick. Even a small MD-520 with it's .50 caliber machine guns and rocket pods or an AW-109 (also used by the Philippine Naval Air Wing) with the same armaments could smoke a big carnivore from the air. Even the combat utility helicopters such as the UH-1 Huey, Bell 412, and the new Polish S-70i Blackhawks could be fitted with an M60D machine gun to sort them out. The planes such as the F/A-50 Golden Eagle, S211, SF-260, OV-10 Bronco, and the recent A-29 Super Tucanos from Brazil don't need to be used here since the helicopters would do the job. Photo: A Philippine Air Force MD-520 flies over a training range during the combined arms live fire exercise (CALFEX) at Colonel Ernesto Ravina Air Base Tarlac, Philippines, during Exercise Balikatan April 10, 2019. The CALFEX event showcased the orchestration of air and ground troops to seize an objective during Exercise Balikatan. In its 35th iteration, Balikatan is an annual U.S.-Philippine military training focused on a variety of missions, including humanitarian assistance and disaster relief, counterterrorism, and other combined military operations. Photos: A pair of PAF AW-109 helicopters. Photo: Philippine Air Force UH-1H Huey of the 205th Tactical Helicopter Wing on a HADR mission to an isolated mountainous region to airlift relief items to the victims of typhoon Ompong Sept. 2018 On the sea: The problem here is that the Philippine Navy does not have ASW capability as of the present to counter the Mosasaur. There were sub chasers back then during the Cold War which sank one PLA-N submarine (wreck not found) and allegedly damaged another one (either PLA-N or Soviet Navy). The two Jose Rizal-class frigates, the BRP Jose Rizal and the BRP Antonio Luna, have not yet received their C-Star anti-ship missiles. There are ASROC tubes in those frigates but I have yet to read if there are any present. No depth charges to speak of.  The BRP Gregorio del Pilar, BRP Ramon Alcaraz, and the BRP Andres Bonifacio could make used of their Oto Melara 76 mm canon or their Bushmaster M242 25 mm chain gun, or their deck machine guns. The smaller patrol boats would definitely not engage the Mosasaur. As a last resort, the Navy could use the BRP Tarlac and the BRP Davao Del Sur (the two largest ships of the Philippine Navy) to ram it in a ship collision. Photo: Del Pilar-class OPV specifications Photo: Tarlac-class landing platform dock specifications The AW-109s in the Navy or the AW159 Wildcats would probably try to vector the coordinates of the large creature. As of this posting, the Wildcats do not have their ASW capability. Photo: 150419-N-KE519-010 PHILIPPINE SEA (April 19, 2015) Sailors chock and chain a Philippine navy AW109 helicopter during flight operations aboard the amphibious transport dock ship USS Green Bay (LPD 20) during exercise Balikatan 2015. Green Bay, part of the Bonhomme Richard Amphibious Ready Group, is participating in exercise Balikatan 2015. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Edward Guttierrez III/Released) Photo: AW-159 of the Philippine Navy |
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Post by lordroel on Feb 20, 2021 19:07:40 GMT
Similar thread in the other forum set in 2018: How would your country's military or police deal with the dinosaurs in Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom?Given that the AFP does not have tanks, they could still take care of the dinosaurs fairly well. In this 2020-2021 setting, all the AFP needs to do is to send air and armor assets to take care of large carnivores or aerial threats. On land: The Philippine Army, Marines, and the PNP with the SWAT and Special Action Force could deal with small to medium size carnivores. If there was a large carnivore such as a T. rex, a Spinosaurus, Carnotaurus, or Indominus, the Army could deploy an M113 with an 25 mm RCWS chaingun or an M134 minigun that could tear these dinosaurs apart. There's also one LAV-300 and a handful of AIFVs that could take care of them. If that's considered overkill, a V-150 or a GKN Simba with .50 caliber MG could still do the job. I d Philippine Army M113 APC, Simba APC, US IAV Stryker Join Combined Live-Fire Exercise
WATCH | PH Army APC with 25mm M242 Bushmaster Machine Gun SystemOn air: Even with only two AH-1 Cobras from Jordan, that should do the trick. Even a small MD-520 with it's .50 caliber machine guns and rocket pods or an AW-109 (also used by the Philippine Naval Air Wing) with the same armaments could smoke a big carnivore from the air. Even the combat utility helicopters such as the UH-1 Huey, Bell 412, and the new Polish S-70i Blackhawks could be fitted with an M60D machine gun to sort them out. The planes such as the F/A-50 Golden Eagle, S211, SF-260, OV-10 Bronco, and the recent A-29 Super Tucanos from Brazil don't need to be used here since the helicopters would do the job. Photo: A Philippine Air Force MD-520 flies over a training range during the combined arms live fire exercise (CALFEX) at Colonel Ernesto Ravina Air Base Tarlac, Philippines, during Exercise Balikatan April 10, 2019. The CALFEX event showcased the orchestration of air and ground troops to seize an objective during Exercise Balikatan. In its 35th iteration, Balikatan is an annual U.S.-Philippine military training focused on a variety of missions, including humanitarian assistance and disaster relief, counterterrorism, and other combined military operations.Photos: A pair of PAF AW-109 helicopters.Photo: Philippine Air Force UH-1H Huey of the 205th Tactical Helicopter Wing on a HADR mission to an isolated mountainous region to airlift relief items to the victims of typhoon Ompong Sept. 2018On the sea: The problem here is that the Philippine Navy does not have ASW capability as of the present to counter the Mosasaur. There were sub chasers back then during the Cold War which sank one PLA-N submarine (wreck not found) and allegedly damaged another one (either PLA-N or Soviet Navy). The two Jose Rizal-class frigates, the BRP Jose Rizal and the BRP Antonio Luna, have not yet received their C-Star anti-ship missiles. There are ASROC tubes in those frigates but I have yet to read if there are any present. No depth charges to speak of. The BRP Gregorio del Pilar, BRP Ramon Alcaraz, and the BRP Andres Bonifacio could make used of their Oto Melara 76 mm canon or their Bushmaster M242 25 mm chain gun, or their deck machine guns. The smaller patrol boats would definitely not engage the Mosasaur. As a last resort, the Navy could use the BRP Tarlac and the BRP Davao Del Sur (the two largest ships of the Philippine Navy) to ram it in a ship collision. Photo: Del Pilar-class OPV specificationsPhoto: Tarlac-class landing platform dock specifications The AW-109s in the Navy or the AW159 Wildcats would probably try to vector the coordinates of the large creature. As of this posting, the Wildcats do not have their ASW capability. Photo: 150419-N-KE519-010 PHILIPPINE SEA (April 19, 2015) Sailors chock and chain a Philippine navy AW109 helicopter during flight operations aboard the amphibious transport dock ship USS Green Bay (LPD 20) during exercise Balikatan 2015. Green Bay, part of the Bonhomme Richard Amphibious Ready Group, is participating in exercise Balikatan 2015. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Edward Guttierrez III/Released)Photo: AW-159 of the Philippine NavyWhy would the Philippines want to kill innocent dinosaurs with such massive firepower. |
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Post by gillan1220 on Feb 20, 2021 19:18:06 GMT
Similar thread in the other forum set in 2018: How would your country's military or police deal with the dinosaurs in Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom?Given that the AFP does not have tanks, they could still take care of the dinosaurs fairly well. In this 2020-2021 setting, all the AFP needs to do is to send air and armor assets to take care of large carnivores or aerial threats. On land: The Philippine Army, Marines, and the PNP with the SWAT and Special Action Force could deal with small to medium size carnivores. If there was a large carnivore such as a T. rex, a Spinosaurus, Carnotaurus, or Indominus, the Army could deploy an M113 with an 25 mm RCWS chaingun or an M134 minigun that could tear these dinosaurs apart. There's also one LAV-300 and a handful of AIFVs that could take care of them. If that's considered overkill, a V-150 or a GKN Simba with .50 caliber MG could still do the job. I d Philippine Army M113 APC, Simba APC, US IAV Stryker Join Combined Live-Fire Exercise
WATCH | PH Army APC with 25mm M242 Bushmaster Machine Gun SystemOn air: Even with only two AH-1 Cobras from Jordan, that should do the trick. Even a small MD-520 with it's .50 caliber machine guns and rocket pods or an AW-109 (also used by the Philippine Naval Air Wing) with the same armaments could smoke a big carnivore from the air. Even the combat utility helicopters such as the UH-1 Huey, Bell 412, and the new Polish S-70i Blackhawks could be fitted with an M60D machine gun to sort them out. The planes such as the F/A-50 Golden Eagle, S211, SF-260, OV-10 Bronco, and the recent A-29 Super Tucanos from Brazil don't need to be used here since the helicopters would do the job. Photo: A Philippine Air Force MD-520 flies over a training range during the combined arms live fire exercise (CALFEX) at Colonel Ernesto Ravina Air Base Tarlac, Philippines, during Exercise Balikatan April 10, 2019. The CALFEX event showcased the orchestration of air and ground troops to seize an objective during Exercise Balikatan. In its 35th iteration, Balikatan is an annual U.S.-Philippine military training focused on a variety of missions, including humanitarian assistance and disaster relief, counterterrorism, and other combined military operations.Photos: A pair of PAF AW-109 helicopters.Photo: Philippine Air Force UH-1H Huey of the 205th Tactical Helicopter Wing on a HADR mission to an isolated mountainous region to airlift relief items to the victims of typhoon Ompong Sept. 2018On the sea: The problem here is that the Philippine Navy does not have ASW capability as of the present to counter the Mosasaur. There were sub chasers back then during the Cold War which sank one PLA-N submarine (wreck not found) and allegedly damaged another one (either PLA-N or Soviet Navy). The two Jose Rizal-class frigates, the BRP Jose Rizal and the BRP Antonio Luna, have not yet received their C-Star anti-ship missiles. There are ASROC tubes in those frigates but I have yet to read if there are any present. No depth charges to speak of. The BRP Gregorio del Pilar, BRP Ramon Alcaraz, and the BRP Andres Bonifacio could make used of their Oto Melara 76 mm canon or their Bushmaster M242 25 mm chain gun, or their deck machine guns. The smaller patrol boats would definitely not engage the Mosasaur. As a last resort, the Navy could use the BRP Tarlac and the BRP Davao Del Sur (the two largest ships of the Philippine Navy) to ram it in a ship collision. Photo: Del Pilar-class OPV specificationsPhoto: Tarlac-class landing platform dock specifications The AW-109s in the Navy or the AW159 Wildcats would probably try to vector the coordinates of the large creature. As of this posting, the Wildcats do not have their ASW capability. Photo: 150419-N-KE519-010 PHILIPPINE SEA (April 19, 2015) Sailors chock and chain a Philippine navy AW109 helicopter during flight operations aboard the amphibious transport dock ship USS Green Bay (LPD 20) during exercise Balikatan 2015. Green Bay, part of the Bonhomme Richard Amphibious Ready Group, is participating in exercise Balikatan 2015. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Edward Guttierrez III/Released)Photo: AW-159 of the Philippine NavyWhy would the Philippines want to kill innocent dinosaurs with such massive firepower. Well for one the dinosaurs are invasive and might result in the deaths of local Filipinos. Two is that they make cause damage to local farmlands, livestock, poultry, forests, or even the seas. Imagine having a mosasaur swim the Sulu Sea or even in-between the islands. Fishermen will be terrified to catch. Merchant shipping may divert their routes in fear of colliding with the marine reptile. The economy would be affected by this. |
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Post by lordroel on Feb 20, 2021 19:26:35 GMT
Why would the Philippines want to kill innocent dinosaurs with such massive firepower. Well for one the dinosaurs are invasive and might result in the deaths of local Filipinos. Two is that they make cause damage to local farmlands, livestock, poultry, forests, or even the seas. Imagine having a mosasaur swim the Sulu Sea or even in-between the islands. Fishermen will be terrified to catch. Merchant shipping may divert their routes in fear of colliding with the marine reptile. The economy would be affected by this. Also depends on what kind of dinosaur whe are speaking of, some are harmless. |
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Post by gillan1220 on Feb 21, 2021 6:24:06 GMT
Well for one the dinosaurs are invasive and might result in the deaths of local Filipinos. Two is that they make cause damage to local farmlands, livestock, poultry, forests, or even the seas. Imagine having a mosasaur swim the Sulu Sea or even in-between the islands. Fishermen will be terrified to catch. Merchant shipping may divert their routes in fear of colliding with the marine reptile. The economy would be affected by this. Also depends on what kind of dinosaur whe are speaking of, some are harmless. Herbivores are generally harmless but if they get spooked, they could go on rampage. One thing for sure if a herd of sauropods, hardrosaurs, stegosaurs, or ceratopsians would to farmlands and cause highway pile-ups. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Feb 21, 2021 7:47:40 GMT
There is no real need for a chain gun to take down a T-Rex, nor even an M2 as cited on AH.com. The bloke was right about going for the hips as compared to the head.
Overall, not a big threat based on the film and nothing needing a mass military reaction. Land based dinosaurs of a large size would quickly get tracked down; makeshift depth charges aren’t that difficult to improvise. However, the aquatic dinos wouldn’t necessarily stick around in territorial waters just waiting for it.
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Post by gillan1220 on Feb 21, 2021 13:22:28 GMT
There is no real need for a chain gun to take down a T-Rex, nor even an M2 as cited on AH.com. The bloke was right about going for the hips as compared to the head. Overall, not a big threat based on the film and nothing needing a mass military reaction. Land based dinosaurs of a large size would quickly get tracked down; makeshift depth charges aren’t that difficult to improvise. However, the aquatic dinos wouldn’t necessarily stick around in territorial waters just waiting for it. The problem for my country would be the Compies which would spread like rats and take over the local population of rodents or civet cats. The compies would pose a problem towards poultry and livestock. God forbid, they may even sneak up into children's rooms at night just like in the book. But I guess local hunters would have fun hunting them down with air guns or improvised PVC guns. The Most Disturbing Death Scene In Jurassic Park History - Michael Crichton's Jurassic Park For the Mosasaur problem, some unlucky fishermen may be caught by it. There will also be closures of beaches around the Philippines as people would be terrified of swimming where it might be close by. However, some of the islands of the Visayas divided by straights would be easier for the Philippine Navy or the Coast Guard to track down the reptile. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Feb 21, 2021 14:44:44 GMT
I’ve just read a short bit on one of the follow up short films after the last JP picture and that brings up one big, big issue:
How in the heck does one dinosaur outbreak of a few dozen cloned creatures in California, of all places, not result in them being tracked down and killed off very, very quickly? Also, how are they managing to breed in a manner so fast that if the Casanova of all rabbits thought about it, he would need a powder and a good lie down at the sheer thought of it all?!
As such, unless something majorly different happens, it will be a threat of a few dozen or few hundred specimens of the little fellows. That is something that would just need shotguns, trapping and other successful methods used against similar pests in the past. It wouldn’t take as long with modern technology either. The key would be to crack down on them early and not allow escape.
Mososaurs are a bit different, but surely the film series did not feature more than one? Even with the magic frog DNA that let them handwave the breeding issue, they would still need more than one creature. Presuming there is a pair and they escape, that is two dinos in a big ocean and not a lot of large food for them.
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Post by gillan1220 on Feb 21, 2021 15:01:15 GMT
I’ve just read a short bit on one of the follow up short films after the last JP picture and that brings up one big, big issue: How in the heck does one dinosaur outbreak of a few dozen cloned creatures in California, of all places, not result in them being tracked down and killed off very, very quickly? Also, how are they managing to breed in a manner so fast that if the Casanova of all rabbits thought about it, he would need a powder and a good lie down at the sheer thought of it all?! As such, unless something majorly different happens, it will be a threat of a few dozen or few hundred specimens of the little fellows. That is something that would just need shotguns, trapping and other successful methods used against similar pests in the past. It wouldn’t take as long with modern technology either. The key would be to crack down on them early and not allow escape. Mososaurs are a bit different, but surely the film series did not feature more than one? Even with the magic frog DNA that let them handwave the breeding issue, they would still need more than one creature. Presuming there is a pair and they escape, that is two dinos in a big ocean and not a lot of large food for them. Author's free hand. Since it's science fiction, add a bit of ASB. Mix to the fact the dinosaurs aren't natural and are tampered with. So whatever anomalies came, it's possible the creatures could change sex if there is need. Possibly also explaining the high fecundity rate of the Compys. Since there was only one Raptor left, Blue wouldn't last long in that Northern California landscape. In addition, she'd probably die of stress before the authorities shoot her. For the Mosasaur, there's one fanfic where in the creature became pregnant unexplainably. In Jurassic Park: The Game, Dr. Sorkin wanted to release the Tylosaurus so that the USAF would not bomb Isla Nublar. Gerry Harding tells her it would contaminate the environment and eat the last of the humpbacks. With the Mosasaur out in the Pacific, who knows the whale populations around the world would take a dip. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Feb 21, 2021 15:26:55 GMT
On the first point, there is stretching of disbelief and then there is a population explosion that defies physical limitations of the number of eggs laid at once and how long they take to hatch. Even if they are somehow able to not have to hunt, eat and hide, there are a limited generation of what can be produced in a year and then grow up. Anything really large is going to have a lifespan of a few hours to days.
Why?
When there was an escape at Zanesville private zoo in Ohio in 2011 by 50 animals, local law enforcement quickly hunted and killed 48 of them. It isn’t completely unprecedented and this takes place in a world where dealing with dinosaur incidents is not fantasy, but has happened before.
I agree that poor old Blue won’t last too long.
One mosasaur isn’t going to chomp down on all 80,000 humpbacks spread out across the world, but would cause more localised damage. I wouldn’t like the chances of finding a single sea creature of any kind.
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Post by gillan1220 on Feb 21, 2021 15:36:06 GMT
On the first point, there is stretching of disbelief and then there is a population explosion that defies physical limitations of the number of eggs laid at once and how long they take to hatch. Even if they are somehow able to not have to hunt, eat and hide, there are a limited generation of what can be produced in a year and then grow up. Anything really large is going to have a lifespan of a few hours to days. Why? When there was an escape at Zanesville private zoo in Ohio in 2011 by 50 animals, local law enforcement quickly hunted and killed 48 of them. It isn’t completely unprecedented and this takes place in a world where dealing with dinosaur incidents is not fantasy, but has happened before. I agree that poor old Blue won’t last too long. One mosasaur isn’t going to chomp down on all 80,000 humpbacks spread out across the world, but would cause more localised damage. I wouldn’t like the chances of finding a single sea creature of any kind. Not to mention those Compys would also fall prey to wolves, panthers, or birds-of-prey. I recall the Ohio incident in 2011. It was featured in the Tiger King documentary. Sad to say 48 were killed but yeah, human lives matter more. In-universe, the world got a taste of the San Diego incident. Even if Sarah and Malcolm weren't there to sedate the Rex, the poor dinosaur would have died once the stimulants were out. Plus the sudden the stress of being transferred from Isla Sorna to an American city would be too much for it to handle. It even drank pool water with chlorine for crying out loud! Blue could survive by probably attacking deer or cattle up to the point authorities catch up with her or she dies from eating several meat stuff that is not meant for her digestive system to adjust that quick. I would imagine the Pacific Rim stretching from Colombia all the way to the California would experience an inflation of fish prices because fishermen would be terrified or turned away by local authorities. However once the navies or coast guard could track down the Mosasaur, fishing would return. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Feb 21, 2021 15:52:04 GMT
I just went and watched the Battle at Black Rock short and was overwhelmed by the silliness.
Let a child be chased by Compies and film it? What did they do for an encore - find some dingoes to babysit?
Boating past a big old dinosaur like it is a cow. Nothing to see here.
Oh, Stegosaurus on the roads. Better let it roam free as nature intended.
It makes for funny/shocking sequences, but that is all modern film makers tend to go for - just shock without reason, consistency or logic.
If there was a dinosaur escape in any functioning country, then the reaction will be swift and heavy. Modern law enforcement can’t always predict when and where a terrorist atrocity will occur, but they do react darn quickly and in force. Yet there is supposed to be this blase reaction to a clear threat?
It is sheer nonsense. Jaws had it right - a predator leads to a rush of hunters to an area all wanting a piece of the action, not a docile acceptance reminiscent of Mr. Magoo on heroin.
I’m not quite sure that the Mosasaur would have that degree of effect. There is only one of them and whilst not every navy is the USN, the latter do have a lot of submarines and aircraft with sonar capable of picking up biological. There would be a hunt if it stuck around coastal waters, which is where the food will be.
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Post by gillan1220 on Feb 21, 2021 16:02:33 GMT
I’m not quite sure that the Mosasaur would have that degree of effect. There is only one of them and whilst not every navy is the USN, the latter do have a lot of submarines and aircraft with sonar capable of picking up biological. There would be a hunt if it stuck around coastal waters, which is where the food will be. The Philippine Navy and Coast Guard has some swift patrol boats armed with .50 caliber machine guns, 7.62mm M60 machine guns, and some have Oto Melaras in it. Meanwhile, the multi-purpose attack crafts have been armed with Israeli Spike-ER missiles. One missile could badly hurt the Mosasaur to the point it could die from its wounds. Philippine Navy Missile Test 2018 (Spike-ER) |
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Post by simon darkshade on Feb 21, 2021 16:27:14 GMT
The issue is getting the missiles or rounds underwater, which they aren’t designed for.
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Post by gillan1220 on Feb 21, 2021 16:31:30 GMT
The issue is getting the missiles or rounds underwater, which they aren’t designed for. If the PN can get score a lucky shot once the Mosasaur jumps out of the water, which is unlikely. As you mentioned, improvised depth charges may be used along with mounted guns or strafed from helicopters hovering above. |
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