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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Dec 15, 2020 5:52:25 GMT
How close are the military ties between the Philippines and other NATO members that are minor players? Seeing as OTL Philippines are using weapons and ammunition that are NATO standards, I would have guessed that they could also extend to vessels as well.
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Post by gillan1220 on Dec 15, 2020 9:02:24 GMT
Right, I kinda forgot it was the Army that is looking for the BrahMos, not the Navy. How close are the military ties between the Philippines and other NATO members that are minor players? Seeing as OTL Philippines are using weapons and ammunition that are NATO standards, I would have guessed that they could also extend to vessels as well. Relations are cordial. The Philippines purchases helicopters from Italy and transport planes from Spain. As I said before, the Maestrelle-class frigate and Galicia-class LPD were considered around 2013. |
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Dec 16, 2020 3:28:24 GMT
I'm just wondering as to how and why it took so long until recently for the Philippines to purchase their first submarine when they could have had it during the Cold War, with the US possibly dumping their old subs into the PN.
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Post by La Rouge Beret on Dec 16, 2020 5:10:06 GMT
I'm just wondering as to how and why it took so long until recently for the Philippines to purchase their first submarine when they could have had it during the Cold War, with the US possibly dumping their old subs into the PN. The decision to acquire a submarine is a strategic one since it requires not only funding to acquire and then maintain a complex weapons system. While the physical assets, submarine and infrastructure purchase costs can be easily worked out, it is the people component that is difficult. For instance to grow your own submarine commander takes more than a decade and they can be deemed as unsuitable at multiple stages of their career. This is after we have limited the submarine workforce to volunteers, so yes the Philippine Navy could have looked at acquiring that capability earlier - could they have done it safely? My hypothesis is that during the 1960s, the USN would have helped establish a submarine arm & have been willing to subsidise operational costs. The question comes during the 90s, if that capability is maintained, particularly in the post Asian Financial Crisis environment. Either way submarines are strategic level assets and provide a meaningful contribution to joint operations. |
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Dec 16, 2020 5:17:38 GMT
True, especially since the defense of the Philippine portion of the Spratly Islands would have been better defended with submarines. The problem is at that time, the PLA-N wasn't as strong as it is now and yet they were able to beat the Vietnamese Navy in an open sea skirmish.
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Post by gillan1220 on Dec 16, 2020 14:02:59 GMT
THE PHILIPPINE NAVY 1950-1986
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Dec 19, 2020 6:57:17 GMT
Related to the post I made earlier on the better Philippine Army, there was a bizzare story of how an Indonesian military leader who purchased over 14 vessels from the defunct East German navy. What did the reunified Bundeswehr do with the old East German vessels?
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Post by gillan1220 on Dec 19, 2020 12:18:00 GMT
Related to the post I made earlier on the better Philippine Army, there was a bizzare story of how an Indonesian military leader who purchased over 14 vessels from the defunct East German navy. What did the reunified Bundeswehr do with the old East German vessels? According to the Wikipedia, this is what happened: The Volksmarine was dissolved, like all other branches of the former National People's Army, on 2 October 1990 – the day before the official reunification of Germany. Some of its staff was absorbed into the Bundesmarine (which was henceforth called the Deutsche Marine), some by the German Border Police. Most of the ships and other equipment were scrapped or sold, and few if any former Volksmarine vessels remain in service with the modern-day German Navy. The last commander of the Volksmarine, Vizeadmiral Hendrik Born, wrote a multi-paragraph commentary for Dieter Flohr and Peter Seemann's 2009 book, Die Volksmarine, a comprehensive and picture-oriented history of the Volksmarine. |
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Dec 20, 2020 6:27:31 GMT
OK, so like their East German Army counterparts, some of them would have been sold off or scrapped.
Although there was a North Korean vessel that used the hull of a T-34 tank as its main gun. I don't know what the vessel's name was, but perhaps if the Philippine military was creative, they could simply attach the hull of the M41 Walker Bulldog on some of the vessels if their original main gun isn't useful.
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Post by gillan1220 on Dec 20, 2020 6:55:19 GMT
OK, so like their East German Army counterparts, some of them would have been sold off or scrapped. Although there was a North Korean vessel that used the hull of a T-34 tank as its main gun. I don't know what the vessel's name was, but perhaps if the Philippine military was creative, they could simply attach the hull of the M41 Walker Bulldog on some of the vessels if their original main gun isn't useful. That sounds like something out of a post-apocalyptic fiction story. I don't think the Navy would do such. They would rather procure newer naval guns instead of the gun of the M41. |
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Post by gillan1220 on Dec 20, 2020 7:15:11 GMT
The Air Patrol Squadron 3 of the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force used the P-3 Orion from 1984 to 2017 when they were gradually being replaced by the newer Kawasaki P-1. The Philippines would have eyed those had it not been for Article 9. Photo: JMSDF Kawasaki P-3C  |
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Dec 20, 2020 7:22:24 GMT
That actually did happen in the skirmish at the Northern Limit Line between the two Koreas (the North Koreans having that gunboat with the T-34 turret). If they were really poor, I could see that happening, but yeah, a much more improved gunboat or corvette would be much better.
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Post by gillan1220 on Dec 20, 2020 7:28:31 GMT
That actually did happen in the skirmish at the Northern Limit Line between the two Koreas (the North Koreans having that gunboat with the T-34 turret). If they were really poor, I could see that happening, but yeah, a much more improved gunboat or corvette would be much better. I think this is the battle you meant? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_YeonpyeongYes it didn't do the North Koreans better. They may have sunk one patrol boat but South Korean technological advancement overcame this obsolete T-34 turret. |
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Dec 21, 2020 0:14:09 GMT
Yeah, that was a classic example of poor shipbuilding when they're poor that they're forced to improvise.
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Post by La Rouge Beret on Dec 22, 2020 1:33:28 GMT
The latter model Tarantauls would be a good buy for the Philippines and you have the shipyards to provide them with an upgrade upon purchase. Provided that their systems and weapons are upgraded over the next thirty years they would provide a great example of distributed lethality for the Philippines Navy.
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