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Post by ssgtc on Nov 6, 2020 14:39:08 GMT
June 9, 1958
Washington, DC, USA
President Eisenhower was furious. The CIA had blatantly ignored his orders and committed American personnel to the operation in Indonesia. And now one of those men had been executed. The man had been dead for nearly a month and the Indonesians had only just now informed them of that fact! Of course, they had apologized profusely for the oversight of course. They claimed that the proper notification had been duly sent out but due to the unrest in their country, it was lost in the labyrinth that made up any bureaucracy.
The United States had been humiliated in Indonesia. The Soviets were crowing quite loudly about the United States' utter disregard for the sovereignty of a freely elected government. Throughout the developing world, the prestige of the United States had taken a severe beating. All that he could deal with. When nations played games to gain influence and control, they both played to win and you couldn't win every time. But the death of an American, when he had specifically ordered the CIA not to use Americans in the operation, that he could not stomach.
He had insisted on plausible deniability. That had been partially lost when a tabloid in India had splashed the entire plan across its front page. While that was bad, it was still something that could have been overcome. But having an American airmen shot down with all his ID on him and concrete proof that he was still actively involved with the United States Government in the form of a Clark Air Base Officer's Club ID card was a disaster that they could not deny. Oh they were trying. But it turned his stomach what they had to do. The CIA and his government had completely disavowed Allen Pope. He was decried as a rouge that had disobeyed direct orders, stolen US Government property and used it to attack the legitimate government of Indonesia. He had been forced to issue a formal, public apology to Indonesia for Pope's actions. Allen Dulles had a lot of explaining to do.
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Post by ssgtc on Nov 6, 2020 14:42:29 GMT
June 30, 1958
Buenos Aires, Argentina
USS Intrepid (CVA 11) arrives in Buenos Aires for a port visit at the start of her Summer Cruise. Though originally planned to stop at Lisbon, Portugal; Oslo, Norway and Rotterdam, Netherlands in Europe, her cruise is altered from a Northern Atlantic and European cruise to the South Atlantic with ports of call in several South American nations including Argentina, Brazil and Venezuela. This alteration was at the behest of the Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral Arleigh Burke who felt that the United States had not been paying enough attention to that particular theater. And as a side benefit, the cruise would provide an opportunity to showcase American hardware in South America, particularly American destroyers and cruisers. Though Intrepid would receive special emphasis while in Buenos Aires in an attempt to convince Argentina to buy a surplus Essex class carrier for their Navy instead of the British light fleet carrier they had been considering.
Intrepid and her task force would remain in Buenos Aires for five days while her Commanding Officer and Rear Admiral Paul Ramsey, Commander, Carrier Division 20, briefed the Argentines on the Essex class and the pros and cons of operating such a large carrier.
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Post by ssgtc on Nov 6, 2020 14:45:09 GMT
July 1, 1958
Washington DC, USA
Admirals Burke and Davis meet with Secretary of the Navy Thomas S Gates Jr. They are there to brief him on Argentina's interest in purchasing an Essex class carrier. Though initially resistant to the idea of transferring such a powerful ship to a South American country, he is slowly brought around to the idea. The sale of an aircraft carrier to an ally in the South Atlantic would greatly ease the strain on the US of patrolling the area, providing Argentina would be able to operate it effectively and deploy the carrier on an at least semi-regular basis. It would also strengthen ties between Argentina and the US, giving the US a staunch ally in the region. Additionally, it was felt that if Argentina was determined to buy an aircraft carrier, better it be an American one, giving the United States some control over how it was used. By the end of the meeting, Secretary Gates agrees to endorse the proposal and present it to the Secretary of Defense.
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Post by lordroel on Nov 6, 2020 14:49:03 GMT
June 30, 1958
Buenos Aires, ArgentinaIntrepid and her task force would remain in Buenos Aires for five days while her Commanding Officer and Rear Admiral Paul Ramsey, Commander, Carrier Division 20, briefed the Argentines on the Essex class and the pros and cons of operating such a large carrier. So Argentina and Australia operating a Essex in the future. |
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Post by ssgtc on Nov 6, 2020 15:06:38 GMT
June 30, 1958
Buenos Aires, ArgentinaIntrepid and her task force would remain in Buenos Aires for five days while her Commanding Officer and Rear Admiral Paul Ramsey, Commander, Carrier Division 20, briefed the Argentines on the Essex class and the pros and cons of operating such a large carrier. So Argentina and Australia operating a Essex in the future. Well, its being evaluated |
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Post by lordroel on Nov 6, 2020 15:15:37 GMT
So Argentina and Australia operating a Essex in the future. Well, its being evaluated Would a Essex be a improvement of HMS Warrior (R31) which Argentina would buy in OTL 1958. |
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Post by ssgtc on Nov 6, 2020 15:36:05 GMT
Well, its being evaluated Would a Essex be a improvement of HMS Warrior (R31) which Argentina would buy in OTL 1958. Huge upgrade. Warrior was BARELY able to operate modern aircraft. It couldn't launch Argentina's F9F Panthers. An Essex could launch a Tomcat in the right conditions. |
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Post by lordroel on Nov 6, 2020 15:44:25 GMT
Would a Essex be a improvement of HMS Warrior (R31) which Argentina would buy in OTL 1958. Huge upgrade. Warrior was BARELY able to operate modern aircraft. It couldn't launch Argentina's F9F Panthers. An Essex could launch a Tomcat in the right conditions. That would also mean that the Argentine Naval Aviation needs to expand as a Essex can carry more planes than Colossus class. In 1958 the Argentine Naval Aviation operated: - 28 ex-USN Grumman F9F-2B Panthers. - 26 Vought F4U-5/5N/5NL Corsairs. - 30 North American SNJ-5Cs Texans. |
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Post by ssgtc on Nov 6, 2020 16:21:15 GMT
Huge upgrade. Warrior was BARELY able to operate modern aircraft. It couldn't launch Argentina's F9F Panthers. An Essex could launch a Tomcat in the right conditions. That would also mean that the Argentine Naval Aviation needs to expand as a Essex can carry more planes than Colossus class. In 1958 the Argentine Naval Aviation operated: - 28 ex-USN Grumman F9F-2B Panthers. - 26 Vought F4U-5/5N/5NL Corsairs. - 30 North American SNJ-5Cs Texans. If they buy an Essex, yes. But not as much as you would think. They are very unlikely to operate it at its full capacity the way the USN does. |
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Post by lordroel on Nov 6, 2020 16:27:28 GMT
That would also mean that the Argentine Naval Aviation needs to expand as a Essex can carry more planes than Colossus class. In 1958 the Argentine Naval Aviation operated: - 28 ex-USN Grumman F9F-2B Panthers. - 26 Vought F4U-5/5N/5NL Corsairs. - 30 North American SNJ-5Cs Texans. If they buy an Essex, yes. But not as much as you would think. They are very unlikely to operate it at its full capacity the way the USN does. Would Argentina buy other aircraft than they already operate ore are the current planes good for now. |
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Post by ssgtc on Nov 6, 2020 16:42:50 GMT
If they buy an Essex, yes. But not as much as you would think. They are very unlikely to operate it at its full capacity the way the USN does. Would Argentina buy other aircraft than they already operate ore are the current planes good for now. Little bit of both |
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Post by stevep on Nov 6, 2020 19:00:56 GMT
June 30, 1958
Buenos Aires, ArgentinaUSS Intrepid (CVA 11) arrives in Buenos Aires for a port visit at the start of her Summer Cruise. Though originally planned to stop at Lisbon, Portugal; Oslo, Norway and Rotterdam, Netherlands in Europe, her cruise is altered from a Northern Atlantic and European cruise to the South Atlantic with ports of call in several South American nations including Argentina, Brazil and Venezuela. This alteration was at the behest of the Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral Arleigh Burke who felt that the United States had not been paying enough attention to that particular theater. And as a side benefit, the cruise would provide an opportunity to showcase American hardware in South America, particularly American destroyers and cruisers. Though Intrepid would receive special emphasis while in Buenos Aires in an attempt to convince Argentina to buy a surplus Essex class carrier for their Navy instead of the British light fleet carrier they had been considering. Intrepid and her task force would remain in Buenos Aires for five days while her Commanding Officer and Rear Admiral Paul Ramsey, Commander, Carrier Division 20, briefed the Argentines on the Essex class and the pros and cons of operating such a large carrier.
Obviously makes me think about what happens if there's a Falkland's type conflict and Argentina has an upgraded Essex class to add to its land based air power.
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Post by lordroel on Nov 6, 2020 19:08:48 GMT
June 30, 1958
Buenos Aires, ArgentinaUSS Intrepid (CVA 11) arrives in Buenos Aires for a port visit at the start of her Summer Cruise. Though originally planned to stop at Lisbon, Portugal; Oslo, Norway and Rotterdam, Netherlands in Europe, her cruise is altered from a Northern Atlantic and European cruise to the South Atlantic with ports of call in several South American nations including Argentina, Brazil and Venezuela. This alteration was at the behest of the Chief of Naval Operations, Admiral Arleigh Burke who felt that the United States had not been paying enough attention to that particular theater. And as a side benefit, the cruise would provide an opportunity to showcase American hardware in South America, particularly American destroyers and cruisers. Though Intrepid would receive special emphasis while in Buenos Aires in an attempt to convince Argentina to buy a surplus Essex class carrier for their Navy instead of the British light fleet carrier they had been considering. Intrepid and her task force would remain in Buenos Aires for five days while her Commanding Officer and Rear Admiral Paul Ramsey, Commander, Carrier Division 20, briefed the Argentines on the Essex class and the pros and cons of operating such a large carrier. Obviously makes me think about what happens if there's a Falkland's type conflict and Argentina has an upgraded Essex class to add to its land based air power.
That would be a 24 year service for the that carrier, longer than ARA Independencia (HMS Warrior, R31) in OTL who served from 1958 to 1970 before she was replaced by ARA Veinticinco de Mayo (HNLMS Karel Doorman,R81). |
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Post by stevep on Nov 6, 2020 19:29:22 GMT
Obviously makes me think about what happens if there's a Falkland's type conflict and Argentina has an upgraded Essex class to add to its land based air power.
That would be a 24 year service for the that carrier, longer than ARA Independencia (HMS Warrior, R31) in OTL who served from 1958 to 1970 before she was replaced by ARA Veinticinco de Mayo (HNLMS Karel Doorman,R81).
Well unless their embolden by having a stronger capacity - or as OTL feeling threatened by internal unrest to try a few years earlier. However a lot would depend on the relative power of the RN and the stance of the US.
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Post by ssgtc on Nov 6, 2020 19:33:37 GMT
Obviously makes me think about what happens if there's a Falkland's type conflict and Argentina has an upgraded Essex class to add to its land based air power.
That would be a 24 year service for the that carrier, longer than ARA Independencia (HMS Warrior, R31) in OTL who served from 1958 to 1970 before she was replaced by ARA Veinticinco de Mayo (HNLMS Karel Doorman,R81). Assuming they buy an Essex, it won't enter service before 1961. |
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