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Post by oscssw on Jan 20, 2023 15:26:53 GMT
HSwMS Gotland - naval history - 296 Coast/"littoral" defense ships (AKA CDS) are of interest to me. In MY USN we began with the War of 1812 Steam powered "Floating Battery" Demologos. She was a wooden floating battery built to defend New York Harbor from the Royal Navy during the War of 1812. The vessel was designed to a unique pattern by Robert Fulton, and was renamed Fulton after his death. Because of the prompt end of the war, Demologos never saw action, and no other ship like her was built.
I guess our last real CDS was the Indiana class Coastal defense battleships (1898). After the Spanish American war the USN became the blue water fleet we have today. Maybe that is why our brass has an institution hatred for anything that is not part of or directly contribute to the functioning of "The Battle Fleet" AKA CSGs today but once was "The Battle Line".
That said HSwMS Gotland seems to be a direct Ancestor of the Italian helicopter cruisers Vittorio Veneto, Andrea Doria and the Soviet Moskva helicopter cruisers classes.
IMO, the MM Cruisers are real "Lookers" (even with ass end flight decks) like everything designed by Italians.
I have always thought the Soviets, despite their society, built beautiful looking, but usually greatly flawed warships; unlike my own Nav's Cold war utilitarian and highly effective ship killers. The Moskvas are an exception, they look exactly like the kind of UGLY, overweight garbage a Marxist society usually produces.
Don't let anyone kid you, if your willing to spend just a bit more money you can have really lethal killing machines that also look beautiful.
Exhibit A Forest Sherman class (as built) of post WW II all gun DD.
Exhibit B Arethusa-class light cruiser.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 20, 2023 15:47:03 GMT
That said HSwMS Gotland seems to be a direct Ancestor of the Italian helicopter cruisers Vittorio Veneto, Andrea Doria and the Soviet Moskva helicopter cruisers classes. She does look nice as a seaplane cruiser.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 21, 2023 12:05:06 GMT
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Post by lordroel on Jan 25, 2023 14:50:22 GMT
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Post by lordroel on Jan 27, 2023 15:06:13 GMT
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Post by lordroel on Jan 28, 2023 12:12:23 GMT
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Post by lordroel on Feb 1, 2023 15:00:40 GMT
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Post by lordroel on Feb 8, 2023 14:57:29 GMT
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Post by miletus12 on Feb 10, 2023 18:35:12 GMT
The torpedoing of USS North Carolina - 15th September 1942 - naval history - 309 Frank Jack Fletcher Got a Bum Rap, Part Two By John B. Lundstrom September 1992 Naval History Magazine Volume 6 Number 3Ghormley was relieved, due to medical reasons, (He went insane, and was medically invalidated primarily because of a jaw infection from an impacted molar. M.), but we can actually find someone to court martial for criminal stupidity. That bolded and underlined cuts no ice with me. Fletcher was right, Ghormley (medical reasons) holds diminished culpability, but Noyes was healthy, sane and warned about "torpedo alley"; because during the command changeover, Fletcher's air staff briefed Noyes on the local dangers and what to expect. Forrest Sherman was also a bit to blame; because he was similarly briefed. However, Sherman actually wanted to follow the USN dodge and weave doctrine and was "overruled". As with the case of Fletcher and Turner, Noyes did have the OTC authority to use his flattops as he saw expedient and prudent. Unlike Fletcher, Noyes did not buck Ghormley, and so HE was responsible for giving I-19 a free "fish in the barrel shot" at the USS Wasp, the USS North Carolina, the USS O'Brien and the other ships either menaced or sunk as a consequence of 15 September 1942.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 11, 2023 12:05:48 GMT
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Post by miletus12 on Feb 11, 2023 16:08:43 GMT
USS Maine (1889) - naval history - 311 USS Maine was designed by an idiot. Then there was the usual delays with Congress and C and R squabbling with suppliers and and the contractor. (The Brooklyn Navy Yard, she was USG built.). So of course it blew up.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 15, 2023 14:53:25 GMT
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Post by miletus12 on Feb 15, 2023 16:40:17 GMT
Ugh, the Omaha Class was the worst cruiser class ever designed for the USN. Overweight, underpowered, poor armament layout, deck working space too small, unstable in ballast; it was designed by this idiot. Yes, I wrote "idiot". He may have seemed great as the compiler of the Taylor Standard Series of hull flow drag models, but when it came to topsides the internals, and human factors for warships, he was a disaster. Have you seen the USS Texas? BTW, that is the 1930s USN at work and was NOT unusual.
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