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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Jan 20, 2020 5:01:25 GMT
Japan and Korea in a union would work, although conquering Manchuria on part of the Japanese shoguns may also create another population center that can be used to send settlers to North America. Japan would have to ally with the Manchus or the Mongols against the Ming in order to make their conquests work. I have too many ideas for the TL that I've tried to reboot since 2014, so I can be scatterbrained in this area. Frankly, Japan getting good access to Western shipbuilding techniques and/or acquisition of a Spanish galleon ship. Even without Yi Sun Shin, the main problem that Japan had was that their ships in the Imjin War were flimsy and weak against the larger and sturdier built Korean panokseons.
Regarding Rio de la Plata, it does sound a bit more plausible and optimistic that the Italian crowns would get them. OTL Argentina had received immigrants from the Italian peninsula (Lionel Messi being the most example of an Argentine of Italian descent), so it wouldn't be far fetched to have an Italian speaking Rio de la Plata, and if they could acquire the lands that became OTL Chile, that may also open them up to colonization of Australia and New Zealand. (Australia could either be colonized by the HRE itself or Spain).
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Post by eurofed on Jan 20, 2020 22:29:59 GMT
Japan and Korea in a union would work, although conquering Manchuria on part of the Japanese shoguns may also create another population center that can be used to send settlers to North America. Japan would have to ally with the Manchus or the Mongols against the Ming in order to make their conquests work. I have too many ideas for the TL that I've tried to reboot since 2014, so I can be scatterbrained in this area. Frankly, Japan getting good access to Western shipbuilding techniques and/or acquisition of a Spanish galleon ship. Even without Yi Sun Shin, the main problem that Japan had was that their ships in the Imjin War were flimsy and weak against the larger and sturdier built Korean panokseons. Regarding Rio de la Plata, it does sound a bit more plausible and optimistic that the Italian crowns would get them. OTL Argentina had received immigrants from the Italian peninsula (Lionel Messi being the most example of an Argentine of Italian descent), so it wouldn't be far fetched to have an Italian speaking Rio de la Plata, and if they could acquire the lands that became OTL Chile, that may also open them up to colonization of Australia and New Zealand. (Australia could either be colonized by the HRE itself or Spain). OTL Argentina's population mostly being descendants of Spanish-speaking settlers or Italian-speaking immigrants in similar measure indeed was one of my main inspirations for assuming TTL Viceroyalty of Rio de La Plata gets awarded to the Italian crowns, preferably with the addition of Chile and Southern Brazil but missing Bolivia for reasons of ATL geopolitical neatness. I really tend to assume ITTL Australasia best goes to the HRE, since their other established colonial booty is very good but not that abundant in comparison to the Spanish one (northern USA + Canada, minus the insular Maritimes, as well as the West Coast/Pacific Northwest if we give it to Japan-Korea), Greater Spain already has its colonization/settlement plate overfilled (Latin America + southern USA + Malay Archipelago), and TTL Spanish colonizers are quite possibly going to miss/neglect Australasia for the same reasons OTL Portuguese and Dutch did despite being very close. In the case Japan-Korea does expand in the Pacific and colonizes the West Coast of North America, I tend to assume the natural border between their sphere of influence and the HRE/Spanish ones is going to be the Great Continental Divide. I don't see any real difficulty about a non-isolationist Japan getting some better naval technology from the Habsburg powers with the right diplomatic butterflies in order to better its chances in its Korean expedition. Of course, Manchuria is going to be a natural major target of Japanese-Korean settler colonization, and in due time grow into the third main population center of the empire. Just like the West Coast but much closer to home, it was valuable and nearly empty besides a relatively scarce native population. Some time ago, I posted a scenario about non-isolationist Japan winning the Imjin War absorbing Korea in a multi-cultural union that later expands in Northeast Asia and the Pacific. It got some extensive discussion and analysis here, similar to what we are doing presently. I assume its main features could be plugged in the current scenario w/o any serious difficulty. To list the main features of that scenario, adjusted to fit with TTL circumstances:
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Post by archangel on Jan 23, 2020 1:08:12 GMT
IMHO, this scenario depends on who is the dominant power(s) within the Iberian Union. In most cases, this will result in a larger presence in North Africa/Western Mediterranean and the Americas (no competition between Portugal and Spain in the South America). If the Lower Countries are not controlled by said Union, this prevents several issues that undermined it OTL. If the dominant force is Portugal (from an earlier POD), this might result in slightly more investment in the Eastern Indies (and a close to OTL investment in the before mentioned areas. If Portugal was the dominant power in the Iberian Union, then the House of Avis might be more invested in the search for an eastward route to Africa and Asia. Perhaps it would be an Iberian exploration team that would lay the foundation for an Iberian analogue to South Africa. Also, given that the House of Avis becoming the dominant force in Iberia, a surviving Prince Afonso (Isabella of Aragon's first husband) might be more easily achievable than a surviving Miguel da Paz (it was easy to avoid getting into a horse riding accident that killed him IOTL). However, we may even see a different kind of colonization of the Americas. As for England, it might be more feasible if they were given a slice of the coast of Picardy in order to connect Calais to their Norman holdings. The Huguenots who would be resettled as a result of the potential population exchanges that may occur between the Imperials and the English might change the religious makeup of Normandy, Brittany, Anjou and Poitou. You might also have created a different kind of identity that is centered on being a Protestant Francophone, as opposed to France that is Catholic. What would be the perfect name for a Protestant French entity that is controlled by England at this point? (Below the map): My rough draft on what the Spanish colonization of the Americas might be like, which is the focus of my dormant TL right now. The one in the OTL Mexico color scheme would be the lands colonized under the Crown of Castile, the one in the OTL Brazil color scheme would be colonized by Portugal, but the ones in green and purple are up to debate, since the lands of what was then Gran Colombia, I had it projected to be colonized by the Crown of Aragon, but Patagonia is a huge question mark there, as I don't know if it could be included into the colonial plans of Portugal or Aragon. IMHO, the French possessions of TTL England would still be called France, to keep a claim to the French Throne.
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Post by eurofed on Jan 23, 2020 11:56:08 GMT
IMHO, the French possessions of TTL England would still be called France, to keep a claim to the French Throne. Quite likely, and in this case it is almost sure the HRE is going to claim the title of King of France too for its own portion, so you are going to have two rival claims for the French crown for the foreseeable future, and two regions called 'France'. I guess the convention takes root of commonly calling them 'English' and 'Imperial' France. For Spanish Occitania, I assume the Emperor may create a new royal title, such as 'Aquitaine'. Therefore, TTL rearrangement of royal titles may more or less go this way: 1) King of England and France. 2) King of Castille, Aragon, Portugal, Italy, Two Sicilies, Aquitaine, and Africa. 3) Emperor of the Romans, King of Germany, France, Burgundy, and Hungary, Archduke of Austria, Prince-Elector of Brandenburg, Bohemia, and Saxony, etc. I suppose, if Poland stays an elective monarchy and ends up in the Habsburg sphere of influence, the Habsburg Emperors may make a concerted effort to get elected to the throne of Poland-Lithuania too, if the right political/diplomatic/dynastic window materializes. It remains to be seen if ITTL England manages to bind Scotland and Ireland in a union, or not.
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Jan 24, 2020 7:04:51 GMT
Considering that Scotland's alliance with France would be eliminated following its partition, it makes sense that England would try to bring it into its side. However, the Scots might also opt to join the Hapsburg led alliance as well, partly out of antipathy towards England.
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Post by eurofed on Jan 26, 2020 21:44:25 GMT
Considering that Scotland's alliance with France would be eliminated following its partition, it makes sense that England would try to bring it into its side. However, the Scots might also opt to join the Hapsburg led alliance as well, partly out of antipathy towards England. True. I assume it is one of those cases where political, diplomatic, and dynastic variables have ample leeway to go one way or the other, and hence the TL author is entirely free to choose the outcome according to their preferences or what seems good for the story.
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