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Post by stevep on Oct 22, 2019 9:26:49 GMT
‘2012 American South To 1962’—likely on October 8th of both years, to be specific. Such precise timing gives the arch-Republican uptimers a month to turn the tide of the 1962 midterms, as well as US politics as a whole due to the GOP now having a game-changing voting bloc at its disposal. The Democrats, on the other hand, are dealt a crushing blow that hemorrhages their national support since they’ve just lost their Dixieland base (even though there are still Northern and certain 2012 members of the party in this scenario, too). With this sudden PoD bound to shake JFK’s America up, one might wonder how the 1964 presidential election cycle concludes ITTL. And that’s just the chaos that comes without accounting for typical ISOT implications!
Given that in most cases the 2012 south is still a lot more radical than the 1962 rest of the union, as well as being republican its going to cause a hell of a lot of WTF thoughts. Not to mention the economic disruption of the two different economies suddenly having to adjust to loss of connections. This is going to be especially bad for the south as the north was still the overwhelming technological centre in 1962 and also has its connections with the rest of the world. Not to mention when the down-timers learn that the Democrats had a successful black Presidential candidate!
Not sure what will happen with the Cuban crisis but suspect it will pass off OK. The Soviets are going to have kittens about a far more advanced southern US appearing, especially since it includes a lot of industry, of military bases and especially one of the primarily bases for USN SSBNs. Let alone learning that their empire falls apart. Not sure what the results of all that would be.
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Post by Zyobot on Oct 24, 2019 16:01:55 GMT
'JFK Forewarned About Assassination In 1961'.
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Post by lordroel on Oct 24, 2019 16:55:39 GMT
'JFK Forewarned About Assassination In 1961'. I believe there was a movie about that called Timequest (film) with the same idea. |
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Post by Zyobot on Oct 24, 2019 17:57:24 GMT
'JFK Forewarned About Assassination In 1961'. I believe there was a movie about that called Timequest (film) with the same idea. Oh, yes. I remember glancing through that same Wikipedia page you just shared. What I originally meant, however, is that the ASB themselves warns JFK about his upcoming assassination a while early, rather than some time-traveller from the future. |
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Post by lordroel on Oct 24, 2019 17:59:16 GMT
I believe there was a movie about that called Timequest (film) with the same idea. Oh, yes. I remember glancing through that same Wikipedia page you just shared. What I originally meant, however, is that the ASB themselves warns JFK about his upcoming assassination a while early, rather than some time-traveller from the future. Only about his death ore does the ASB give some more info to JFK. |
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Post by Zyobot on Oct 24, 2019 18:10:54 GMT
Oh, yes. I remember glancing through that same Wikipedia page you just shared. What I originally meant, however, is that the ASB themselves warns JFK about his upcoming assassination a while early, rather than some time-traveller from the future. Only about his death ore does the ASB give some more info to JFK. The ASB would provide JFK with more information, of course--the precise time and place, who the culprit is, the political fallout that results from his assassination, you get the idea. |
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Post by Zyobot on Oct 26, 2019 3:00:18 GMT
As an idea inspired by this AH.com thread, ‘Gary Johnson In Time Loop Until He Wins 2016 Presidential Election’. This may take a few more years before it can become its own, standalone thread; it’s too politically charged for the ASB forum, and would waste space in ‘Politics and Current Affairs’. Nonetheless, I still think it’s an interesting-enough question to posit at some point in the future. |
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Post by lordroel on Oct 26, 2019 8:07:51 GMT
As an idea inspired by this AH.com thread, ‘Gary Johnson In Time Loop Until He Wins 2016 Presidential Election’. This may take a few more years before it can become its own, standalone thread; it’s too politically charged for the ASB forum, and would waste space in ‘Politics and Current Affairs’. Nonetheless, I still think it’s an interesting-enough question to posit at some point in the future. a political Groundhog Day, that is interesting, thanks for the link Zyobot. |
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Post by Zyobot on Oct 27, 2019 1:03:30 GMT
As an idea inspired by this AH.com thread, ‘Gary Johnson In Time Loop Until He Wins 2016 Presidential Election’. This may take a few more years before it can become its own, standalone thread; it’s too politically charged for the ASB forum, and would waste space in ‘Politics and Current Affairs’. Nonetheless, I still think it’s an interesting-enough question to posit at some point in the future. a political Groundhog Day, that is interesting, thanks for the link Zyobot . You're welcome. So long as I'm still posting today, 'Libertarian China After 1978'--which is when Deng Xiaoping first implements semi-capitalistic economic reforms. Somehow, I bet that the new Chinese Republic (or whatever it's called) would be far freer and more prosperous than its OTL counterpart, never mind its dystopian Red predecessor under Chairman Mao. |
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Post by Zyobot on Oct 28, 2019 14:31:26 GMT
‘1988 George H.W. Bush Vs. 2008 Barack Obama’ in my next proposed cross-time presidential election. For this scenario, I’m thinking that the 2008 West Coast and Mountain States get sent back in time. Maybe some Southern states as well, so that the downtimers get a more balanced perspective on the digital savvy Democratic candidate that the uptimers have brought with them.
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Post by Zyobot on Oct 29, 2019 16:17:36 GMT
‘Anarcho-Capitalist America’, complete with total, laissez-faire libertarianism and adherence to pretty much only the Non-Aggression Principle (or NAP for short). To ensure that it lasts, no other nations or international bodies would seek to directly intervene in its affairs, though they’d no doubt remain wary.
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Post by Zyobot on Oct 30, 2019 17:39:14 GMT
‘2014 Russia To 1914’. Having gone from a rather backwards absolute monarchy to an uptimer power that’s a century ahead of the rest of the world, V. Putin’s Federation will crush it in World War One and establish itself as the dominant global superpower for decades to come, dashing the United States’s chances of seizing that mantle in the process.
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Post by lordroel on Oct 30, 2019 17:50:52 GMT
‘2014 Russia To 1914’. Having gone from a rather backwards absolute monarchy to an uptimer power that’s a century ahead of the rest of the world, V. Putin’s Federation will crush it in World War One and establish itself as the dominant global superpower for decades to come, dashing the United States’s chances of seizing that mantle in the process. What day in 1914. Also do we not run the risk of a 1914 Europe teaming up against 2014 Russia. |
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Post by stevep on Oct 30, 2019 18:38:40 GMT
‘2014 Russia To 1914’. Having gone from a rather backwards absolute monarchy to an uptimer power that’s a century ahead of the rest of the world, V. Putin’s Federation will crush it in World War One and establish itself as the dominant global superpower for decades to come, dashing the United States’s chances of seizing that mantle in the process. What day in 1914. Also do we not run the risk of a 1914 Europe teaming up against 2014 Russia.
Unfortunately they wouldn't stand a chance. Even without Russia using nuclear or chemical weapons they would have an overwhelming advantage against the rest of the world combined.
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Post by Zyobot on Oct 30, 2019 21:07:08 GMT
What day in 1914. Also do we not run the risk of a 1914 Europe teaming up against 2014 Russia.
Unfortunately they wouldn't stand a chance. Even without Russia using nuclear or chemical weapons they would have an overwhelming advantage against the rest of the world combined.
True. Assuming that it gets sent back shortly after August 1st, 1914--which I believe is when Germany declared war on Russia to support Austria-Hungary--I wonder what direction Russia will go in now that it's participating in World War One. Will they (temporarily) ally with the UK and France as was true IOTL, or perhaps go their own way now that they need a military partnership with neither? |
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