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Post by forcon on Sept 30, 2019 19:59:03 GMT
Also, I'm thinking this thread should be open to anyone who has ideas for ORBATs, events etc that they want to discuss and perhaps make into a cannon.
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Post by lordroel on Oct 1, 2019 3:10:40 GMT
Also, I'm thinking this thread should be open to anyone who has ideas for ORBATs, events etc that they want to discuss and perhaps make into a cannon. Nice idea, i try to work on improving my Orbat, feels to me it could use some work. |
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Post by forcon on Oct 1, 2019 10:08:27 GMT
Also, I'm thinking this thread should be open to anyone who has ideas for ORBATs, events etc that they want to discuss and perhaps make into a cannon. Nice idea, i try to work on improving my Orbat, feels to me it could use some work. Thanks! I'll be posting the British ORBAT soon if anybody is interested. |
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Post by lordroel on Oct 1, 2019 10:56:37 GMT
Nice idea, i try to work on improving my Orbat, feels to me it could use some work. Thanks! I'll be posting the British ORBAT soon if anybody is interested. Of course, speaking for me that is. |
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Post by forcon on Oct 1, 2019 11:04:03 GMT
UK Field Army
British Forces Cyprus
-1st Battalion, The Rifles (Light infantry)
British Forces Brunei
-2nd Battalion, Royal Gurkha Rifles (Light infantry)
38th Infantry Brigade – Lisburn, UK (Security duties in Ulster, wartime role on Zealand)
-1st Battalion, Royal Scots Borderers, Royal Regiment of Scotland (Light infantry)
-2nd Battalion, Royal Irish Rangers, Royal Irish Regiment (Light infantry)
-2nd Battalion, The Rifles (Light infantry)
-3rd Battalion, Royal Irish Regiment (Light infantry)
-40th Regiment, Royal Artillery (Artillery with 105mm L118 light guns)
2nd (TA) Infantry Division – TA formations scattered across UK (Wartime role as security force for UK mainland, hence no artillery)
51st (TA) Infantry Brigade
-4th (TA) Battalion, Duke of Lancaster’s Regiment (Light infantry)
-7th (TA) Battalion, The Rifles (Light infantry)
-10th (TA) Battalion, Parachute Regiment (Airborne infantry)
52nd (TA) Infantry Brigade
-6th (TA) Battalion, 52nd Lowland Volunteers, Royal Regiment of Scotland (Light infantry)
-7th (TA) Battalion, 52nd Lowland Volunteers, Royal Regiment of Scotland (Light infantry)
-15th (TA) Battalion, The Parachute Regiment (Airborne infantry)
160th Infantry Brigade
-3rd (TA) Battalion, Royal Welsh (Light infantry)
-3rd (TA) Battalion, Duke of Lancaster’s Regiment (Light infantry)
-4th (TA) Battalion, Royal Irish Regiment (Light infantry)
6th Airmobile Division – Colchester, UK (Wartime role in Norway)
3rd Commando Brigade – Plymouth, UK
-40th Commando Battalion (Commando infantry)
-42nd Commando Battalion (Commando infantry)
-45th Commando Battalion (Commando infantry)
-29th Regiment, Royal Artillery (Artillery with 105mm L118 light guns)
5th Infantry Brigade – Catterick, UK
-1st Battalion, Welsh Guards (Light infantry)
-2nd Battalion, Mercian Regiment (Light infantry)
-3rd Battalion, Yorkshire Regiment (Light infantry)
-5th Battalion, Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders, Royal Regiment of Scotland (Light infantry)
-4th Regiment, Royal Artillery (Artillery with 105mm L118 light guns)
16th Air Assault Brigade – Colchester, UK
-1st Battalion, Royal Gurkha Rifles (Airmobile infantry)
-1st Battalion, Parachute Regiment (Airborne infantry)
-2nd Battalion, Parachute Regiment (Airborne infantry)
-3rd Battalion, Parachute Regiment (Airborne infantry)
-7th Regiment, Royal Horse Artillery (Artillery with 105mm L118 light guns)
I British Corps – Berlin, Germany
-7th (TA) Battalion, Royal Regiment of Fusiliers (Light infantry)
Patrol & Exploitation Group – TA formations scattered across UK, Gurkhas at Shorncliffe
-(TA) Honourable Artillery Company
-3rd Battalion, Royal Gurkha Rifles
-21st (TA) Special Air Service Regiment
-23rd (TA) Special Air Service Regiment
1st Corps Aviation Wing – Sennelager, Germany
-1st Regiment, Army Air Corps (Helicopter unit with Wildcat Ah.1)
-3rd Regiment, Army Air Corps (Helicopter unit with Apache Wah-64D)
-4th Regiment, Army Air Corps (Helicopter unit with Apache Wah-64D)
-5th Regiment, Army Air Corps (Helicopter unit with Gazelle Ah.1)
-7th Regiment, Army Air Corps (Helicopter unit with Apache WAH-64D)
-9th Regiment, Army Air Corps (Helicopter unit with Wildcat Ah.1)
1st Artillery Brigade – Bielefeld, Germany
-26th Regiment, Royal Artillery (MLRS regiment with M270)
-49th Regiment, Royal Artillery (MLRS regiment with M270)
-101st (TA) Regiment, Royal Artillery (MLRS regiment with M270)
-102nd (TA) Regiment, Royal Artillery (Artillery unit with 155mm AS90 self-propelled guns)
1st Military Police Brigade – Hameln, Germany
-1st Regiment, Royal Military Police
-3rd Regiment, Royal Military Police
-4th Regiment, Royal Military Police
1st Military Intelligence Brigade – Trenchard Lines, UK
-1st Military Intelligence Battalion, Intelligence Corps
-2nd Military Intelligence Battalion, Intelligence Corps
-3rd (TA) Military Intelligence Battalion, Intelligence Corps
-4th Military Intelligence Battalion, Intelligence Corps
-7th (TA) Military Intelligence Battalion, Intelligence Corps
2nd Medical Brigade – Strensall, UK
-1st Armoured Medical Regiment, Royal Army Medical Corps
-4th Armoured Medical Regiment, Royal Army Medical Corps
-5th Armoured Medical Regiment, Royal Army Medical Corps
-201st (TA) Field Hospital, Royal Army Medical Corps
-207th (TA) Field Hospital, Royal Army Medical Corps
-212th (TA) Field Hospital, Royal Army Medical Corps
-335th (TA) Evacuation Regiment, Royal Army Medical Corps
7th Air Defence Group – Gutersloh, Germany
-12th Regiment, Royal Artillery (Low-level air defence unit with Starstreak)
-16th Regiment, Royal Artillery (Low-level air defence unit with Rapier)
-22nd Regiment, Royal Artillery (Low-level air defence unit with Starstreak)
-104th (TA) Regiment, Royal Artillery (Low-level air defence unit with Rapier)
8th Engineer Brigade – Catterick, UK
-21st Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers
-28th Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers
-32nd Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers
-39th Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers
-71st (TA) Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers)
-75th (TA) Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers
11th Signals Brigade – Herford, Germany
-1st Signals Regiment, Royal Corps of Signals
-3rd Signal Regiment, Royal Corps of Signals
-16th Signal Regiment, Royal Corps of Signals
-30th Signal Regiment, Royal Corps of Signals
29th (TA) Logistics Brigade – TA units scattered across UK
-150th (TA) Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
-156th (TA) Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
-157th (TA) Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
-159th (TA) Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
-162nd (TA) Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
102nd Logistics Brigade – Grantham, UK
-1st Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
-3rd Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
-4th Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
-6th Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
-9th Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
-10th Queen’s Own Ghurkha Logistics Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
1st Armoured Division – Herford, Germany (Wartime role as part of I Corps in Poland)
4th Armoured Brigade – Bulford, UK
-The Light Dragoons (Armoured reconnaissance with Scimitar)
-2nd Royal Tank Regiment (Armoured regiment with Challenger 2)
-1st Battalion, Royal Regiment of Fusiliers (Armoured infantry with Warrior)
-1st Battalion, The Mercian Regiment (Armoured infantry with Warrior)
-3rd Battalion, The Black Watch, Royal Regiment of Scotland (Mechanised infantry with Mastiff)
-1st Regiment, Royal Horse Artillery (Artillery with 155mm AS90 heavy guns)
7th Armoured Brigade – Hohne, Germany
-9/12th Royal Lancers (Armoured reconnaissance with Scimitar)
-Royal Scots Dragoon Guards (Armoured regiment with Challenger 2)
-1st Battalion, Grenadier Guards (Armoured infantry with Warrior)
-1st Battalion, The Royal Welsh (Armoured infantry with Warrior)
-2nd Battalion, Duke of Lancaster’s Regiment (Mechanised infantry with Mastiff)
-3rd Regiment, Royal Horse Artillery (Artillery with 155mm AS90 self-propelled guns)
20th Armoured Brigade – Sennelager, Germany
-Royal Dragoon Guards (Armoured reconnaissance with Scimitar)
-Queen’s Royal Hussars (Armoured regiment with Challenger 2 & Scimitar)
-1st Battalion, Princess of Wales Royal Regiment (Armoured infantry with Warrior)
-4th Battalion, The Highlanders, Royal Regiment of Scotland (Mechanised infantry with Mastiff)
-5th Battalion, The Rifles (Armoured infantry with Warrior)
-19th Regiment, Royal Artillery (Artillery with 155mm AS90 heavy guns)
3rd Armoured Division – Tidworth, UK (Wartime role as part of I Corps in Poland)
6th Armoured Brigade – Siedlce, Poland
-Queen’s Royal Lancers (Armoured reconnaissance with Scimitar)
-1st Royal Tank Regiment (Armoured regiment with Challenger 2 & Scimitar)
-1st Battalion, Coldstream Guards (Armoured infantry with Warrior)
-2nd Battalion, Royal Welsh (Mechanised infantry with Mastiff)
-4th Battalion, The Rifles (Armoured infantry with Warrior)
-39th Regiment, Royal Artillery (Artillery with 155mm AS90 self-propelled guns)
12th Armoured Brigade – Aldershot, UK
-1st Queen’s Dragoon Guards (Armoured reconnaissance with Scimitar)
-King’s Royal Hussars (Armoured regiment with Challenger 2 & Scimitar)
-1st Battalion, Duke of Lancaster’s Regiment (Armoured infantry with Warrior)
-1st Battalion, Royal Anglian Regiment (Armoured infantry with Warrior)
-3rd Battalion, The Rifles (Mechanised infantry with Mastiff)
-32nd Regiment, Royal Artillery (Artillery with 155mm AS90 self-propelled gun)
22nd Armoured Brigade – Warminster, UK
-The Blues & Royals (Armoured reconnaissance with Scimitar)
-3rd Royal Tank Regiment (Armoured regiment with Challenger 2 & Scimitar)
-1st Battalion, Royal Irish Regiment (Armoured infantry with Warrior)
-2nd Battalion, Royal Regiment of Fusiliers (Armoured infantry with Warrior)
-3rd Battalion, Mercian Regiment (Armoured infantry with Warrior)
-2nd Regiment, Royal Artillery (Artillery with 155mm AS90 self-propelled guns)
4th Mechanised Division – Warminster, UK (Wartime role as part of I Corps in Poland)
11th Infantry Brigade – Bulford, UK
-1st Battalion, Scots Guards (Light infantry)
-3rd Battalion, Royal Anglian Regiment (Light infantry)
-4th Battalion, Royal Regiment of Fusiliers (Light infantry)
-50th Regiment, Royal Artillery (Artillery with 105mm L118 light guns)
19th Infantry Brigade – Aldershot, UK
-1st Battalion, Yorkshire Regiment (Light infantry)
-2nd Battalion, Princess of Wales Royal Regiment (Light infantry)
-2nd Battalion, Yorkshire Regiment (Light infantry)
-4th Battalion, Mercian Regiment (Light infantry)
-5th Regiment, Royal Artillery (Artillery with 105mm L118 light guns)
33rd Armoured Brigade – Bulford, UK
-The Life Guards (Armoured reconnaissance with Scimitar)
-4th Royal Tank Regiment (Armoured regiment with Challenger 2 & Scimitar)
-1st Battalion, Irish Guards (Armoured infantry with Warrior)
-3rd Battalion, Royal Regiment of Fusiliers (Armoured infantry with Warrior)
-6th Battalion, The Rifles (Mechanised infantry with Mastiff)
-27th Regiment, Royal Artillery (Artillery with 155mm AS90 self-propelled guns)
5th Infantry Division – TA formations scattered across UK (Wartime role as part of I Corps in Poland)
24th (TA) Infantry Brigade
-(TA) Royal Wessex Yeomanry (Armoured reconnaissance with Scimitar)
-5th (TA) Battalion, Royal Anglian Regiment (Light infantry)
-6th (TA) Battalion, Royal Regiment of Fusiliers (Light infantry)
-8th (TA) Battalion, The Rifles (Light infantry)
-105th (TA) Regiment, Royal Artillery (Artillery unit with 105mm L118 light guns)
29th (TA) Infantry Brigade
-(TA) Royal Mercian & Lancastrian Yeomanry (Armoured reconnaissance with Scimitar)
-1st (TA) Battalion, The London Regiment (Light infantry)
-5th (TA) Battalion, The Mercian Regiment (Light infantry)
-9th (TA) Battalion, The Rifles (Light infantry)
-100th (TA) Regiment, Royal Artillery (Artillery unit with 105mm L118 light guns)
42nd Infantry Brigade
-(TA) Queen’s Own Yeomanry (Armoured reconnaissance with Scimitar)
-4th (TA) Battalion, Parachute Regiment (Airborne infantry)
-5th (TA) Battalion, Royal Regiment of Fusiliers (Light infantry)
-7th (TA) Battalion, Royal Anglian Regiment (Light infantry)
-103rd (TA) Regiment, Royal Artillery (Artillery unit with 105mm L118 light guns)
Notes:
-2010 Strategic Defence Review sees 33rd Armoured Brigade moved from being a seperate formation to falling under 4th Mechanised Division's command.
-5th (TA) Infantry Division formed as rear-security unit for I Corps but has a frontline role as static defence.
-2nd (TA) Infantry Division is for security duties in UK mainland, so does not need artillery as firing 105s on English villages where Spetsnaz may be hiding is 'not the done thing'.
-I Corps wartime ORBAT is 1st & 3rd Armoured Divisions & 4th Mechanised Division & 5th (TA) Infantry Division.
-6th Airmobile Division formed in 1999 after NATO invasion of Yugoslavia. Paras & Ghurkas placed under 16th AAB command, 'elite' light infantry battalions under 5th Infantry Brigade command. Royal Marines placed under 6th Division command but can operate independently.
-Amalgamations of historical regiments still took place circa 2004 under Labour government as cost-saving measure, however, each regiment has more battalions than before.
-Every armoured & infantry brigade has its own organic artillery regiment, hence the small size of I Corps' artillery brigade; only one Howitzer regiment is under 1st Artillery Brigade's command; MLRS regiments are, however, corps assets.
Would appreciate feedback on this, it took me afternoon yesterday! 
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Post by lordroel on Oct 1, 2019 13:59:06 GMT
UK Field Army
British Forces Cyprus
-1st Battalion, The Rifles (Light infantry)
British Forces Brunei
-2nd Battalion, Royal Gurkha Rifles (Light infantry)
38th Infantry Brigade – Lisburn, UK (Security duties in Ulster, wartime role on Zealand)
-1st Battalion, Royal Scots Borderers, Royal Regiment of Scotland (Light infantry)
-2nd Battalion, Royal Irish Rangers, Royal Irish Regiment (Light infantry)
-2nd Battalion, The Rifles (Light infantry)
-3rd Battalion, Royal Irish Regiment (Light infantry)
-40th Regiment, Royal Artillery (Artillery with 105mm L118 light guns)
2nd (TA) Infantry Division – TA formations scattered across UK (Wartime role as security force for UK mainland, hence no artillery)
51st (TA) Infantry Brigade
-4th (TA) Battalion, Duke of Lancaster’s Regiment (Light infantry)
-7th (TA) Battalion, The Rifles (Light infantry)
-10th (TA) Battalion, Parachute Regiment (Airborne infantry)
52nd (TA) Infantry Brigade
-6th (TA) Battalion, 52nd Lowland Volunteers, Royal Regiment of Scotland (Light infantry)
-7th (TA) Battalion, 52nd Lowland Volunteers, Royal Regiment of Scotland (Light infantry)
-15th (TA) Battalion, The Parachute Regiment (Airborne infantry)
160th Infantry Brigade
-3rd (TA) Battalion, Royal Welsh (Light infantry)
-3rd (TA) Battalion, Duke of Lancaster’s Regiment (Light infantry)
-4th (TA) Battalion, Royal Irish Regiment (Light infantry)
6th Airmobile Division – Colchester, UK (Wartime role in Norway)
3rd Commando Brigade – Plymouth, UK
-40th Commando Battalion (Commando infantry)
-42nd Commando Battalion (Commando infantry)
-45th Commando Battalion (Commando infantry)
-29th Regiment, Royal Artillery (Artillery with 105mm L118 light guns)
5th Infantry Brigade – Catterick, UK
-1st Battalion, Welsh Guards (Light infantry)
-2nd Battalion, Mercian Regiment (Light infantry)
-3rd Battalion, Yorkshire Regiment (Light infantry)
-5th Battalion, Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders, Royal Regiment of Scotland (Light infantry)
-4th Regiment, Royal Artillery (Artillery with 105mm L118 light guns)
16th Air Assault Brigade – Colchester, UK
-1st Battalion, Royal Gurkha Rifles (Airmobile infantry)
-1st Battalion, Parachute Regiment (Airborne infantry)
-2nd Battalion, Parachute Regiment (Airborne infantry)
-3rd Battalion, Parachute Regiment (Airborne infantry)
-7th Regiment, Royal Horse Artillery (Artillery with 105mm L118 light guns)
I British Corps – Berlin, Germany
-7th (TA) Battalion, Royal Regiment of Fusiliers (Light infantry)
Patrol & Exploitation Group – TA formations scattered across UK, Gurkhas at Shorncliffe
-(TA) Honourable Artillery Company
-3rd Battalion, Royal Gurkha Rifles
-21st (TA) Special Air Service Regiment
-23rd (TA) Special Air Service Regiment
1st Corps Aviation Wing – Sennelager, Germany
-1st Regiment, Army Air Corps (Helicopter unit with Wildcat Ah.1)
-3rd Regiment, Army Air Corps (Helicopter unit with Apache Wah-64D)
-4th Regiment, Army Air Corps (Helicopter unit with Apache Wah-64D)
-5th Regiment, Army Air Corps (Helicopter unit with Gazelle Ah.1)
-7th Regiment, Army Air Corps (Helicopter unit with Apache WAH-64D)
-9th Regiment, Army Air Corps (Helicopter unit with Wildcat Ah.1)
1st Artillery Brigade – Bielefeld, Germany
-26th Regiment, Royal Artillery (MLRS regiment with M270)
-49th Regiment, Royal Artillery (MLRS regiment with M270)
-101st (TA) Regiment, Royal Artillery (MLRS regiment with M270)
-102nd (TA) Regiment, Royal Artillery (Artillery unit with 155mm AS90 self-propelled guns)
1st Military Police Brigade – Hameln, Germany
-1st Regiment, Royal Military Police
-3rd Regiment, Royal Military Police
-4th Regiment, Royal Military Police
1st Military Intelligence Brigade – Trenchard Lines, UK
-1st Military Intelligence Battalion, Intelligence Corps
-2nd Military Intelligence Battalion, Intelligence Corps
-3rd (TA) Military Intelligence Battalion, Intelligence Corps
-4th Military Intelligence Battalion, Intelligence Corps
-7th (TA) Military Intelligence Battalion, Intelligence Corps
2nd Medical Brigade – Strensall, UK
-1st Armoured Medical Regiment, Royal Army Medical Corps
-4th Armoured Medical Regiment, Royal Army Medical Corps
-5th Armoured Medical Regiment, Royal Army Medical Corps
-201st (TA) Field Hospital, Royal Army Medical Corps
-207th (TA) Field Hospital, Royal Army Medical Corps
-212th (TA) Field Hospital, Royal Army Medical Corps
-335th (TA) Evacuation Regiment, Royal Army Medical Corps
7th Air Defence Group – Gutersloh, Germany
-12th Regiment, Royal Artillery (Low-level air defence unit with Starstreak)
-16th Regiment, Royal Artillery (Low-level air defence unit with Rapier)
-22nd Regiment, Royal Artillery (Low-level air defence unit with Starstreak)
-104th (TA) Regiment, Royal Artillery (Low-level air defence unit with Rapier)
8th Engineer Brigade – Catterick, UK
-21st Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers
-28th Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers
-32nd Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers
-39th Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers
-71st (TA) Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers)
-75th (TA) Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers
11th Signals Brigade – Herford, Germany
-1st Signals Regiment, Royal Corps of Signals
-3rd Signal Regiment, Royal Corps of Signals
-16th Signal Regiment, Royal Corps of Signals
-30th Signal Regiment, Royal Corps of Signals
29th (TA) Logistics Brigade – TA units scattered across UK
-150th (TA) Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
-156th (TA) Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
-157th (TA) Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
-159th (TA) Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
-162nd (TA) Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
102nd Logistics Brigade – Grantham, UK
-1st Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
-3rd Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
-4th Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
-6th Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
-9th Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
-10th Queen’s Own Ghurkha Logistics Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
1st Armoured Division – Herford, Germany (Wartime role as part of I Corps in Poland)
4th Armoured Brigade – Bulford, UK
-The Light Dragoons (Armoured reconnaissance with Scimitar)
-2nd Royal Tank Regiment (Armoured regiment with Challenger 2)
-1st Battalion, Royal Regiment of Fusiliers (Armoured infantry with Warrior)
-1st Battalion, The Mercian Regiment (Armoured infantry with Warrior)
-3rd Battalion, The Black Watch, Royal Regiment of Scotland (Mechanised infantry with Mastiff)
-1st Regiment, Royal Horse Artillery (Artillery with 155mm AS90 heavy guns)
7th Armoured Brigade – Hohne, Germany
-9/12th Royal Lancers (Armoured reconnaissance with Scimitar)
-Royal Scots Dragoon Guards (Armoured regiment with Challenger 2)
-1st Battalion, Grenadier Guards (Armoured infantry with Warrior)
-1st Battalion, The Royal Welsh (Armoured infantry with Warrior)
-2nd Battalion, Duke of Lancaster’s Regiment (Mechanised infantry with Mastiff)
-3rd Regiment, Royal Horse Artillery (Artillery with 155mm AS90 self-propelled guns)
20th Armoured Brigade – Sennelager, Germany
-Royal Dragoon Guards (Armoured reconnaissance with Scimitar)
-Queen’s Royal Hussars (Armoured regiment with Challenger 2 & Scimitar)
-1st Battalion, Princess of Wales Royal Regiment (Armoured infantry with Warrior)
-4th Battalion, The Highlanders, Royal Regiment of Scotland (Mechanised infantry with Mastiff)
-5th Battalion, The Rifles (Armoured infantry with Warrior)
-19th Regiment, Royal Artillery (Artillery with 155mm AS90 heavy guns)
3rd Armoured Division – Tidworth, UK (Wartime role as part of I Corps in Poland)
6th Armoured Brigade – Siedlce, Poland
-Queen’s Royal Lancers (Armoured reconnaissance with Scimitar)
-1st Royal Tank Regiment (Armoured regiment with Challenger 2 & Scimitar)
-1st Battalion, Coldstream Guards (Armoured infantry with Warrior)
-2nd Battalion, Royal Welsh (Mechanised infantry with Mastiff)
-4th Battalion, The Rifles (Armoured infantry with Warrior)
-39th Regiment, Royal Artillery (Artillery with 155mm AS90 self-propelled guns)
12th Armoured Brigade – Aldershot, UK
-1st Queen’s Dragoon Guards (Armoured reconnaissance with Scimitar)
-King’s Royal Hussars (Armoured regiment with Challenger 2 & Scimitar)
-1st Battalion, Duke of Lancaster’s Regiment (Armoured infantry with Warrior)
-1st Battalion, Royal Anglian Regiment (Armoured infantry with Warrior)
-3rd Battalion, The Rifles (Mechanised infantry with Mastiff)
-32nd Regiment, Royal Artillery (Artillery with 155mm AS90 self-propelled gun)
22nd Armoured Brigade – Warminster, UK
-The Blues & Royals (Armoured reconnaissance with Scimitar)
-3rd Royal Tank Regiment (Armoured regiment with Challenger 2 & Scimitar)
-1st Battalion, Royal Irish Regiment (Armoured infantry with Warrior)
-2nd Battalion, Royal Regiment of Fusiliers (Armoured infantry with Warrior)
-3rd Battalion, Mercian Regiment (Armoured infantry with Warrior)
-2nd Regiment, Royal Artillery (Artillery with 155mm AS90 self-propelled guns)
4th Mechanised Division – Warminster, UK (Wartime role as part of I Corps in Poland)
11th Infantry Brigade – Bulford, UK
-1st Battalion, Scots Guards (Light infantry)
-3rd Battalion, Royal Anglian Regiment (Light infantry)
-4th Battalion, Royal Regiment of Fusiliers (Light infantry)
-50th Regiment, Royal Artillery (Artillery with 105mm L118 light guns)
19th Infantry Brigade – Aldershot, UK
-1st Battalion, Yorkshire Regiment (Light infantry)
-2nd Battalion, Princess of Wales Royal Regiment (Light infantry)
-2nd Battalion, Yorkshire Regiment (Light infantry)
-4th Battalion, Mercian Regiment (Light infantry)
-5th Regiment, Royal Artillery (Artillery with 105mm L118 light guns)
33rd Armoured Brigade – Bulford, UK
-The Life Guards (Armoured reconnaissance with Scimitar)
-4th Royal Tank Regiment (Armoured regiment with Challenger 2 & Scimitar)
-1st Battalion, Irish Guards (Armoured infantry with Warrior)
-3rd Battalion, Royal Regiment of Fusiliers (Armoured infantry with Warrior)
-6th Battalion, The Rifles (Mechanised infantry with Mastiff)
-27th Regiment, Royal Artillery (Artillery with 155mm AS90 self-propelled guns)
5th Infantry Division – TA formations scattered across UK (Wartime role as part of I Corps in Poland)
24th (TA) Infantry Brigade
-(TA) Royal Wessex Yeomanry (Armoured reconnaissance with Scimitar)
-5th (TA) Battalion, Royal Anglian Regiment (Light infantry)
-6th (TA) Battalion, Royal Regiment of Fusiliers (Light infantry)
-8th (TA) Battalion, The Rifles (Light infantry)
-105th (TA) Regiment, Royal Artillery (Artillery unit with 105mm L118 light guns)
29th (TA) Infantry Brigade
-(TA) Royal Mercian & Lancastrian Yeomanry (Armoured reconnaissance with Scimitar)
-1st (TA) Battalion, The London Regiment (Light infantry)
-5th (TA) Battalion, The Mercian Regiment (Light infantry)
-9th (TA) Battalion, The Rifles (Light infantry)
-100th (TA) Regiment, Royal Artillery (Artillery unit with 105mm L118 light guns)
42nd Infantry Brigade
-(TA) Queen’s Own Yeomanry (Armoured reconnaissance with Scimitar)
-4th (TA) Battalion, Parachute Regiment (Airborne infantry)
-5th (TA) Battalion, Royal Regiment of Fusiliers (Light infantry)
-7th (TA) Battalion, Royal Anglian Regiment (Light infantry)
-103rd (TA) Regiment, Royal Artillery (Artillery unit with 105mm L118 light guns)
Notes:
-2010 Strategic Defence Review sees 33rd Armoured Brigade moved from being a seperate formation to falling under 4th Mechanised Division's command.
-5th (TA) Infantry Division formed as rear-security unit for I Corps but has a frontline role as static defence.
-2nd (TA) Infantry Division is for security duties in UK mainland, so does not need artillery as firing 105s on English villages where Spetsnaz may be hiding is 'not the done thing'.
-I Corps wartime ORBAT is 1st & 3rd Armoured Divisions & 4th Mechanised Division & 5th (TA) Infantry Division.
-6th Airmobile Division formed in 1999 after NATO invasion of Yugoslavia. Paras & Ghurkas placed under 16th AAB command, 'elite' light infantry battalions under 5th Infantry Brigade command. Royal Marines placed under 6th Division command but can operate independently.
-Amalgamations of historical regiments still took place circa 2004 under Labour government as cost-saving measure, however, each regiment has more battalions than before.
-Every armoured & infantry brigade has its own organic artillery regiment, hence the small size of I Corps' artillery brigade; only one Howitzer regiment is under 1st Artillery Brigade's command; MLRS regiments are, however, corps assets.
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Post by James G on Oct 1, 2019 19:28:22 GMT
You have made many enemies at HM Treasury with this! The forces will cost a bomb.
Much of the BAOR is in the UK and the rest in Germany. Their potential battlefield is in Poland. This means either a deployment ahead of any fight against the Soviets or a movement into a fight. Therefore, correctly, you have the 2019 BAOR very different from the 1989 BAOR.
Should the British go into Poland, and Norway too, they'd likely be a counterattack force. This means they'll have to be prepared to fight a very different battle then one envisioned in the late OTL Cold War.
I think they could do it with this force. You've balanced it well. Too much reliance on TA units for my liking but that would be the reality of the situation.
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Post by forcon on Oct 1, 2019 20:58:43 GMT
[/quote]Great forcon, it looks a nice British Army.[/quote] Thank you! My less-detailed US ORBAT will be ready tomorrow. |
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Post by forcon on Oct 1, 2019 21:07:35 GMT
You have made many enemies at HM Treasury with this! The forces will cost a bomb. Much of the BAOR is in the UK and the rest in Germany. Their potential battlefield is in Poland. This means either a deployment ahead of any fight against the Soviets or a movement into a fight. Therefore, correctly, you have the 2019 BAOR very different from the 1989 BAOR. Should the British go into Poland, and Norway too, they'd likely be a counterattack force. This means they'll have to be prepared to fight a very different battle then one envisioned in the late OTL Cold War. I think they could do it with this force. You've balanced it well. Too much reliance on TA units for my liking but that would be the reality of the situation. Oh yeah, the Treasury will be most displeased: however, compared to thr 1989 British Army, there have been a fair few cuts, with regimental amalgamations and reliance on the TA for rear-area security duties both in Poland & the UK. The 6th Division is a fairly easy one to form, and the 11th Brigade has converted to light infantry, plus the majority of forces are in the UK as opposed to Germany. As to BAOR's wartime role...The idea here is similar to REFORGER and Britain's mobilisation plans in the 1980s. My thinking here is that I Corps HQ in Berlin (probably using the old Berlin Brigade barracks as a HQ) would move over the border to Poland with the 1st AD's two forward brigades within 36 hours. The rest of the 1st AD and all of 3rd AD (one brigade of the 3rd Division is in Poland permanently) would be in Poland in a week, with the 4th Mechanised Division in ten days and the 5th TA Division after that. SHAPE would want I British Corps in Poland as a defensive force; due to the budget cuts and politics, I Corps can't be stationed in Poland permanently, and so NATO hopes for a couple of weeks warning prior to war to implement REFORGER. |
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Post by stevep on Oct 2, 2019 15:56:55 GMT
I think the basic issue is that with the Soviets pushed back to 'Russian' territory they have lost a hell of a lot of both ground and population, along with production capacity and the like. Much of this has not just been lost but also is now boosting NATO's defence. As such pre-1990 and the collapse of the WP it was possible for the WP forces to overrun most of western Europe, possibly forcing France into neutrality and making it very difficult for NATO to regain that lost ground. However now how realistic is it for the rump USSR to actually wage and 'win' a largely conventional war against the bulk of N America and Europe? Can't see any great possibility they will get anywhere near the Rhine and likely probably not far into Germany or the Czech Republic if at all. That means that the bulk of European population and industrial resources will stay outside their control so NATO only has to moblise and keep on fighting and their almost certain to win. As such I can't really see the basis for a realistic Soviet military attack on NATO.
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Post by James G on Oct 2, 2019 19:46:30 GMT
I think the basic issue is that with the Soviets pushed back to 'Russian' territory they have lost a hell of a lot of both ground and population, along with production capacity and the like. Much of this has not just been lost but also is now boosting NATO's defence. As such pre-1990 and the collapse of the WP it was possible for the WP forces to overrun most of western Europe, possibly forcing France into neutrality and making it very difficult for NATO to regain that lost ground. However now how realistic is it for the rump USSR to actually wage and 'win' a largely conventional war against the bulk of N America and Europe? Can't see any great possibility they will get anywhere near the Rhine and likely probably not far into Germany or the Czech Republic if at all. That means that the bulk of European population and industrial resources will stay outside their control so NATO only has to moblise and keep on fighting and their almost certain to win. As such I can't really see the basis for a realistic Soviet military attack on NATO.
I agree. They'd be stuffed as an offensive military force that far back in Eastern Europe. forcon , what is the situation with Bulgaria? IIRC, the post-1989 government in Bulgaria was just the old guard wearing new clothes: a sort of Putinism-before-it-was-Putinism. Has the USSR got an ally in Sofia? Or are they any allies of significance elsewhere in the world? |
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Post by forcon on Oct 3, 2019 12:17:18 GMT
I have some ideas in both of there areas: will answer in detail when i get back to my PC later today.
The Soviet war plan would be rapid capture of Poland, Slovakia, Hungary & Romania, plus assaults on Zealand and Norway, and then sue for peace on favourable terms. The Soviets would do this as a response to a feared NATO attack or a NATO-planned colour revolution in the USSR.
As for Bulgaria, I have not thought that through; anybody else want to write that?
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Post by lordroel on Oct 3, 2019 13:45:43 GMT
I have some ideas in both of there areas: will answer in detail when i get back to my PC later today. The Soviet war plan would be rapid capture of Poland, Slovakia, Hungary & Romania, plus assaults on Zealand and Norway, and then sue for peace on favourable terms. The Soviets would do this as a response to a feared NATO attack or a NATO-planned colour revolution in the USSR. As for Bulgaria, I have not thought that through; anybody else want to write that? Looking at the Structure of the Bulgarian People's Army 1989, it is huge, so it depends, are they pro NATO ore Pro-Soviet here. |
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Post by forcon on Oct 3, 2019 19:26:28 GMT
I have some ideas in both of there areas: will answer in detail when i get back to my PC later today. The Soviet war plan would be rapid capture of Poland, Slovakia, Hungary & Romania, plus assaults on Zealand and Norway, and then sue for peace on favourable terms. The Soviets would do this as a response to a feared NATO attack or a NATO-planned colour revolution in the USSR. As for Bulgaria, I have not thought that through; anybody else want to write that? Looking at the Structure of the Bulgarian People's Army 1989, it is huge, so it depends, are they pro NATO ore Pro-Soviet here. My thinking is that they are pro-Soviet, but I wonder if anybody else has any ideas there? |
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Post by lordroel on Oct 3, 2019 19:27:54 GMT
My thinking is that they are pro-Soviet, but I wonder if anybody else has any ideas there? I always assume if there where any Pact countries who would remain pro-Soviet it would be Romania. |
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