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Post by Zyobot on Jan 31, 2020 22:32:30 GMT
That seems like the gist of it to me. Eventually, though, Kenobi may have to explain to Luke that the black-clad Sith he killed on the Death Star...was his (and Leia's) actual father  . And the Emperor will no doubt sense Vader's untimely death, meaning that not only will he have to recruit a new apprentice, but also that he'll step up his ruthlessness and lack of mercy in crushing the Rebellion once and for all. So in the long term, I fear that killing Vader could actually be a bad thing--and not just because we won't get to see his redemption ITTL, either.
Do you think Obi-Wan will tell Luke and Leia that their are brother and sister after they have escaped the Death Star. Probably not immediately. But eventually, and assuming that Obi-Wan survives long enough to do so, he'll likely have no choice since sooner or later, he's likely to get confronted about the issue as soon as Luke and/or Leia picks up on the fact that there are things he's not telling them. |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 31, 2020 22:33:52 GMT
Do you think Obi-Wan will tell Luke and Leia that their are brother and sister after they have escaped the Death Star. Probably not immediately. But eventually, and assuming that Obi-Wan survives long enough to do so, he'll likely have no choice since sooner or later, he's likely to get confronted about the issue as soon as Luke and/or Leia picks up on the fact that there are things he's not telling them. So does the emperor have anybody that can replace Vader. |
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Post by Zyobot on Jan 31, 2020 22:34:54 GMT
Probably not immediately. But eventually, and assuming that Obi-Wan survives long enough to do so, he'll likely have no choice since sooner or later, he's likely to get confronted about the issue as soon as Luke and/or Leia picks up on the fact that there are things he's not telling them. So does the emperor have anybody that can replace Vader. I can't think of candidates off the top of my head, though he'll definitely eye Luke once he gets wind of the younger Skywalker's existence. |
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Post by lordroel on Feb 1, 2020 7:41:03 GMT
Do you think Obi-Wan will tell Luke and Leia that their are brother and sister after they have escaped the Death Star. Probably not immediately. But eventually, and assuming that Obi-Wan survives long enough to do so, he'll likely have no choice since sooner or later, he's likely to get confronted about the issue as soon as Luke and/or Leia picks up on the fact that there are things he's not telling them. Will he also train them ore will we see both Luke and Leia going to train with somebody living in the swamp. |
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Post by Zyobot on Feb 2, 2020 16:48:27 GMT
Probably not immediately. But eventually, and assuming that Obi-Wan survives long enough to do so, he'll likely have no choice since sooner or later, he's likely to get confronted about the issue as soon as Luke and/or Leia picks up on the fact that there are things he's not telling them. Will he also train them ore will we see both Luke and Leia going to train with somebody living in the swamp. I speculate that one reason his ghost-self sent Luke to Dagobah IOTL was because, as a spirit, he’s not in much of a position to train an apprentice(s). Whereas Yoda, still being a corporeal being who doesn’t fade in and out of perceivable existence, is more cut out for he job (however old and decrepit he still is). Because he’d still be physically alive ITTL, I think he’d take a more active role in training Luke and Leia himself. Though, he’d likely still tell them all about Yoda and how they need to head to Dagobah to continue their training if something dastardly ever happens to Obi-Wan. Which, in his newfound line of work, is more than just somewhat likely. |
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Post by lordroel on Feb 2, 2020 20:02:46 GMT
Will he also train them ore will we see both Luke and Leia going to train with somebody living in the swamp. I speculate that one reason his ghost-self sent Luke to Dagobah IOTL was because, as a spirit, he’s not in much of a position to train an apprentice(s). Whereas Yoda, still being a corporeal being who doesn’t fade in and out of perceivable existence, is more cut out for he job (however old and decrepit he still is). Because he’d still be physically alive ITTL, I think he’d take a more active role in training Luke and Leia himself. Though, he’d likely still tell them all about Yoda and how they need to head to Dagobah to continue their training if something dastardly ever happens to Obi-Wan. Which, in his newfound line of work, is more than just somewhat likely. Still the Emperor is alive, the Death Star needs to be destroyed, a lot has to happen, even if Obi-Wan is still alive |
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Post by Zyobot on Feb 3, 2020 18:39:27 GMT
I speculate that one reason his ghost-self sent Luke to Dagobah IOTL was because, as a spirit, he’s not in much of a position to train an apprentice(s). Whereas Yoda, still being a corporeal being who doesn’t fade in and out of perceivable existence, is more cut out for he job (however old and decrepit he still is). Because he’d still be physically alive ITTL, I think he’d take a more active role in training Luke and Leia himself. Though, he’d likely still tell them all about Yoda and how they need to head to Dagobah to continue their training if something dastardly ever happens to Obi-Wan. Which, in his newfound line of work, is more than just somewhat likely. Still the Emperor is alive, the Death Star needs to be destroyed, a lot has to happen, even if Obi-Wan is still alive So it seems. Though by no means is everything separate from this a background problem, considering that Luke might eventually find out just how much Kenobi has been keeping secrets about who his real father is (which, as we know, was Vader), I'm fearful that Palpatine will have a somewhat easier time tempting Luke into joining him due to how he'd frame their relationship as one of how Obi-Wan betrayed his trust. |
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Post by lordroel on Feb 3, 2020 19:16:14 GMT
Still the Emperor is alive, the Death Star needs to be destroyed, a lot has to happen, even if Obi-Wan is still alive So it seems. Though by no means is everything separate from this a background problem, considering that Luke might eventually find out just how much Kenobi has been keeping secrets about who his real father is (which, as we know, was Vader), I'm fearful that Palpatine will have a somewhat easier time tempting Luke into joining him due to how he'd frame their relationship as one of how Obi-Wan betrayed his trust. Well it was Vader who original in Star Wars: Episode V – The Empire Strikes Back told Luke that he was his father, now either Obi has to tell him and everything that happen between him and Vader in the past, ore somehow the emperor mange to tell Luke in the hoops this pushes Luke to the dark side. |
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Post by SpaceOrbisHistory on Jul 23, 2021 1:20:25 GMT
What if, by sheer luck and happenstance, Kenobi kills Vader in their duel in Star Wars? (AKA Episode IV: A New Hope) Luke doesn't yell out thus getting the stormtroopers to shoot at him and his friends. Kenobi may be old but he's still a Jedi master so he'll block the incoming attacks and the group takes off into space to parts unknown. Vader will of course never find out his kids were mere feet away and he never turns back to the light. So no force ghost near the end of episode six. Luke is a bit stronger due to having Kenobi help him train in the Jedi ways but I think he'll still send him to train under the wise Yoda. Having a Jedi that is nearly a millennium who trained some of the best Jedi masters isn't something he should pass on. I would say he wins his fight with the Sith lord Sidious (Palpatine) on the second death star and restarts the Jedi order. If we go as far as the newer movies I doubt he'll try to kill his nephew due to having a voice in his head. So he never goes hiding like a baby and so we have no emo man baby having a series of temper tantrums and both Vader's kids are Jedi Knights. This of course means that the Jedi God Rey can be removed becuase she isn't needed in this timeline. Luke wouldn't have a reason to hide away on some backwater island on some backwater world in a backwater part of the galaxy. |
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