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Post by Max Sinister on Jun 1, 2023 3:49:10 GMT
PS: I wouldn't be surprised if someone else made that bad pun before - but it does make sense that a Jefferson Finis Davis was the Finis of the CSA. Should have voted in someone else. ;-)
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Post by stevep on Jun 6, 2023 12:55:40 GMT
Lordroel On today's WWI post I was a bit surprised at the last entry:
Unfortunately the Germans did target hospital ships at times but what is a Dutch ship doing in that capacity since the Netherlands were neutral? Unless its a case of it being originally Dutch owned but chartered by the British [probably] and being used as an hospital ship by them?
On today's WWII post I see someone is finally doing something about how the Germans hog the best beach spots on holidays. Seriously a massive operation largely going to plan as well as it can. One oddity but don't bother trying to chase it up and enjoy your holiday.
Those figures don't add up - unless there were nearly as many allied air and naval losses as ground ones? Since higher up it reports "At the end of the day, 3000 men were lost at Omaha" I wonder if losses at Utah have been missed out? Even then there would be a mismatch as Omaha was famously the bloodiest on the 1st day. Anyway, as I say don't bother about it too much but just something that didn't match up.
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Post by gillan1220 on Jun 6, 2023 14:39:15 GMT
Western Front: Marines Attack At Belleau WoodThe Americans had only “just got here” when they began a counterattack against the Germans. At 5PM on June 6, the Marines advanced on Belleau Wood across an open wheatfield behind a relatively anemic rolling barrage. John Thomason recalled that [They] attacked across the open, losing hideously. Platoons were shot down entire….They gained a footing in the rocky ledges at the edge of the Bois de Belleau, suffering much from what was believed to be a machine-gun nest at this point. They tried to leave it and go on, with a containing force to watch it; they found that the whole wood was a machine-gun nest. With the Marines was the journalist Floyd Gibbons, who had rushed there from Paris that day just in time for the battle. Gibbons would be seriously wounded in the battle; thinking he had died of his wounds, his piece on the battle was let past the censors unaffected. In a later memoir, Gibbons recalled: [Sgt. Daly read the order] quickly, then glanced along the line of the dug-in platoon. He stood up and made a forward motion to his men. There was slight hesitation. Who in the hell could blame them? Machine gun and rifle bullets were kicking up the dirt, closer and closer. The sergeant ran out to the center of his platoon – he swung his bayoneted rifle over his head with a forward sweep. He yelled at his men: “Come on, you sons-of-bitches! Do you want to live forever?” The Marines would take the town of Bouresches, but the Germans held on to most of Belleau Wood itself, and close-quarters fighting would continue for nearly three weeks, the Marines only being briefly relieved (by other Americans). An American staff officer ordered his liaison with the French: “On that question of relief, leave that matter entirely to the French. Do not insist on any relief. The reports that we have show that conditions are not very bad.” The Marine brigade suffered over 1000 casualties on the first day, and nearly ten times that number over the following weeks. Map: Location of U.S. Marine forces in Belleau Wood and surrounding areas, 6 June 1918 This is where the Marines would be known as the "Devil Dogs". Hard to believe this marks 105 years since that date.
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Post by Max Sinister on Jun 10, 2023 2:55:43 GMT
Because I'm rereading this:
The German Ambassador in Tokyo Adm Wenneker hands over to Vice Adm Kondo, Vice Chairman of the Japanese Naval General Staff a copy of a British War Cabinet report that was captured on the freighter “Automedon”. (At about 0700 hrs on 11 November 1940, the German auxiliary cruiser Atlantis intercepted Automedon about 250 nautical miles (460 km) northwest of Sumatra) ... By any standards, the incident remains one of the worst intelligence disasters in history.
Of course in an ATL the Germans might be just as lucky, with different ships or otherwise, but I think it's quite possible that as a result, the Japanese might not get this information. I wonder whether they'd dare to attack the US and the Empire in this case. Some claim they wouldn't...
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Post by stevep on Jun 10, 2023 10:35:31 GMT
Because I'm rereading this: The German Ambassador in Tokyo Adm Wenneker hands over to Vice Adm Kondo, Vice Chairman of the Japanese Naval General Staff a copy of a British War Cabinet report that was captured on the freighter “Automedon”. (At about 0700 hrs on 11 November 1940, the German auxiliary cruiser Atlantis intercepted Automedon about 250 nautical miles (460 km) northwest of Sumatra) ... By any standards, the incident remains one of the worst intelligence disasters in history. Of course in an ATL the Germans might be just as lucky, with different ships or otherwise, but I think it's quite possible that as a result, the Japanese might not get this information. I wonder whether they'd dare to attack the US and the Empire in this case. Some claim they wouldn't...
I think they would still have gone for it assuming other developments went as OTL. With both Britain and the USSR under heavy pressure and the embargo that the US had applied they either had to back down on China - which would have meant a loss of face unacceptable to the military - or go to war. Plus with the US rearmament under way and their build up of defensive forces in the Philippines, directly across Japanese supply lines for vital imports they had a clear time limit. Because of their earlier rearmament and the distraction of other powers the position in late 41 was the best it was ever going to get.
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Post by stevep on Jun 14, 2023 8:36:39 GMT
Lordroel Just noticed a small typo in today's WWII post, talking about De Gaulle's visit to Normandy.
Presume this means arrives and that it disrupts the movement of troops?
Otherwise looks fine.
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Post by stevep on Jun 16, 2023 11:12:30 GMT
Lordroel On today's WWII post I notice it has a mention of:
in the section the air war over Europe! Slightly out of place I suspect. Its the only mention of a shipping loss today, with no others being reported for the allies in the Atlantic or elsewhere.
Otherwise looking good.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 16, 2023 13:38:01 GMT
Lordroel On today's WWII post I notice it has a mention of:
in the section the air war over Europe! Slightly out of place I suspect. Its the only mention of a shipping loss today, with no others being reported for the allies in the Atlantic or elsewhere. Otherwise looking good. Steve Thanks, will edit it.
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Post by stevep on Jun 19, 2023 15:11:20 GMT
Small quibble with the 2nd part of:
This sounds like the Pestel was sunk in the Black Sea so possibly related to the eastern front but not really the Italian or Med.
On today's WWI post interesting to read where Ferrari got their emblem from.
Otherwise looking good. Didn't realise it took this long, nearly a fortnight, before the 1st air base was established in the Normandy beachhead. - I Know it specified the 1st US one but give the relatively small size of the area British/Canadian forces have managed to liberate due to the bitter fighting around Caen I doubt there's room for them there.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 19, 2023 15:19:28 GMT
Small quibble with the 2nd part of:
This sounds like the Pestel was sunk in the Black Sea so possibly related to the eastern front but not really the Italian or Med. On today's WWI post interesting to read where Ferrari got their emblem from.
Otherwise looking good. Didn't realise it took this long, nearly a fortnight, before the 1st air base was established in the Normandy beachhead. - I Know it specified the 1st US one but give the relatively small size of the area British/Canadian forces have managed to liberate due to the bitter fighting around Caen I doubt there's room for them there.
Thanks, will move it to the Black Sea campaign then.
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Post by stevep on Jun 21, 2023 8:25:03 GMT
On today's WWI post:
The British government seriously underestimated the commitment to their special privileges of much of the Irish population and also how much influence the extremists had gathered with many loyalists/moderates away at the war. True the reaction to the 1916 coup attempt was poor. It would have been better if the government had overridden the military and insisted on civilian rather than military trials. The people involved would still have been found guilty and in the important cases executed but it wouldn't have been as easy for the extremists to present that execution as some sort of excessive brutality. By this time its pretty certain regardless of events that some sort of civil war in Ireland is inevitable.
In the WWII post there seems to be a duplication of yesterday's for the sections
I was initially thinking it was because the air missions carry over into the following day but it seems to be word for word and carries over into the Continuation war section.
Otherwise looks fine.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 21, 2023 9:02:25 GMT
On today's WWI post:
The British government seriously underestimated the commitment to their special privileges of much of the Irish population and also how much influence the extremists had gathered with many loyalists/moderates away at the war. True the reaction to the 1916 coup attempt was poor. It would have been better if the government had overridden the military and insisted on civilian rather than military trials. The people involved would still have been found guilty and in the important cases executed but it wouldn't have been as easy for the extremists to present that execution as some sort of excessive brutality. By this time its pretty certain regardless of events that some sort of civil war in Ireland is inevitable. In the WWII post there seems to be a duplication of yesterday's for the sections
I was initially thinking it was because the air missions carry over into the following day but it seems to be word for word and carries over into the Continuation war section. Otherwise looks fine. Steve
Thanks will edit it.
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Post by stevep on Jun 23, 2023 11:12:40 GMT
On today's WWI post:
That's a considerable improvement over not just Cadora but a lot of other commanders during this conflict.
Anyone know any more of this please as never heard of it before. Nothing about it on Reading's wiki page. Given the huge political and cultural differences I can't see it ever being a goer so not sure why he would make such a suggestion if he actually did.
Otherwise looking good. Thanks
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Post by lordroel on Jun 23, 2023 11:28:31 GMT
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Post by stevep on Jun 23, 2023 12:53:25 GMT
Interesting. Many thanks.
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