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Post by stevep on Jan 27, 2022 21:18:29 GMT
On today's [27th] WWII post I think we have a problem. For most of it from the "Battle of the Atlantic " heading down while the images are different the text seems to be identical. All the way down to the final comments on the Pacific theatre.
On this last bit I missed it yesterday but what is "marine casualty" which is involved in the last two entries, damaging destroyer Karukaya & Submarine I-27? I'm assuming it might be a typo for something but not sure what.
Sorry this is a bit late but been rather hectic today so running way behind schedule.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 29, 2022 14:36:31 GMT
On today's [27th] WWII post I think we have a problem. For most of it from the "Battle of the Atlantic " heading down while the images are different the text seems to be identical. All the way down to the final comments on the Pacific theatre. On this last bit I missed it yesterday but what is "marine casualty" which is involved in the last two entries, damaging destroyer Karukaya & Submarine I-27? I'm assuming it might be a typo for something but not sure what. Sorry this is a bit late but been rather hectic today so running way behind schedule.
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Really how could i miss this, thanks for the PM, will check and edit it. |
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Post by stevep on Jan 29, 2022 14:40:30 GMT
On today's [27th] WWII post I think we have a problem. For most of it from the "Battle of the Atlantic " heading down while the images are different the text seems to be identical. All the way down to the final comments on the Pacific theatre. On this last bit I missed it yesterday but what is "marine casualty" which is involved in the last two entries, damaging destroyer Karukaya & Submarine I-27? I'm assuming it might be a typo for something but not sure what. Sorry this is a bit late but been rather hectic today so running way behind schedule.
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Really how could i miss this, thanks for the PM, will check and edit it.
Those things happen, especially given how much your doing on top of a normal working job.
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Post by lordroel on Jan 29, 2022 14:50:23 GMT
Really how could i miss this, thanks for the PM, will check and edit it. Those things happen, especially given how much your doing on top of a normal working job.
Have edit the day as it should be, then i had to check if the days i already made belong to the day in question, which it seems to be, at this moment. No problem stevep , i have a good job at a Bakery from 07:00 to 15:00, gives me plenty of time doing the stuff on the forum. Had to look up the meaning of "marine casualty" which resulted in this: A marine casualty means an event, or a sequence of events, that has resulted in any of the following which has occurred directly in connection with the operations of a ship: death or serious injury. ... loss, presumed loss or abandonment of a ship. material damage to a ship. stranding or disabling of a ship. |
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Post by stevep on Jan 29, 2022 15:44:47 GMT
Those things happen, especially given how much your doing on top of a normal working job.
Have edit the day as it should be, then i had to check if the days i already made belong to the day in question, which it seems to be, at this moment. No problem stevep , i have a good job at a Bakery from 07:00 to 15:00, gives me plenty of time doing the stuff on the forum. Had to look up the meaning of "marine casualty" which resulted in this: A marine casualty means an event, or a sequence of events, that has resulted in any of the following which has occurred directly in connection with the operations of a ship: death or serious injury. ... loss, presumed loss or abandonment of a ship. material damage to a ship. stranding or disabling of a ship.
OK thanks. On the last point overthinking things as it was about WWII and thinking the marine was in reference to probably the US Marine Corp.  Rather than simply as marine i.e. at sea. Sounds like they were some sort of accidental event rather than clear act of war. |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 29, 2022 15:59:50 GMT
Have edit the day as it should be, then i had to check if the days i already made belong to the day in question, which it seems to be, at this moment. No problem stevep , i have a good job at a Bakery from 07:00 to 15:00, gives me plenty of time doing the stuff on the forum. Had to look up the meaning of "marine casualty" which resulted in this: A marine casualty means an event, or a sequence of events, that has resulted in any of the following which has occurred directly in connection with the operations of a ship: death or serious injury. ... loss, presumed loss or abandonment of a ship. material damage to a ship. stranding or disabling of a ship. OK thanks. On the last point overthinking things as it was about WWII and thinking the marine was in reference to probably the US Marine Corp. Rather than simply as marine i.e. at sea. Sounds like they were some sort of accidental event rather than clear act of war. No problem as always stevep. |
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Post by stevep on Feb 10, 2022 19:24:24 GMT
On today's WWI post the section on convoys mentions
This is definitely true but I have noticed with some surprise that virtually all the sinkings from U boats are in waters close to either the UK or France. Even ignoring the frequent attacks on trawlers and other very small craft. This is something that I never realised before. Its a pity that air power was still in its infancy as that would have been idea for protecting a lot of those coastal areas. Albeit that that would likely simply force the U boats further out which would give a good reason for convoys on the main trans-oceanic traffic.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 10, 2022 19:27:23 GMT
On today's WWI post the section on convoys mentions
This is definitely true but I have noticed with some surprise that virtually all the sinkings from U boats are in waters close to either the UK or France. Even ignoring the frequent attacks on trawlers and other very small craft. This is something that I never realised before. Its a pity that air power was still in its infancy as that would have been idea for protecting a lot of those coastal areas. Albeit that that would likely simply force the U boats further out which would give a good reason for convoys on the main trans-oceanic traffic.
You also notice a lot of these sinking are small fishing boats who seem to operate in groups, in the end, people need fish to eat. |
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Post by lordroel on Feb 12, 2022 16:19:46 GMT
Do nobody has a problem as i am going to use a lot of messages that where send in 1898 during The Spanish–American War (1898) in real time to fill up dates and to provide information where they is none.
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Post by stevep on Feb 12, 2022 16:28:49 GMT
Do nobody has a problem as i am going to use a lot of messages that where send in 1898 during The Spanish–American War (1898) in real time to fill up dates and to provide information where they is none.
No problem for me. If it gives some background info all the better.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 12, 2022 16:39:56 GMT
Do nobody has a problem as i am going to use a lot of messages that where send in 1898 during The Spanish–American War (1898) in real time to fill up dates and to provide information where they is none. No problem for me. If it gives some background info all the better.
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Post by gillan1220 on Feb 13, 2022 14:00:58 GMT
United States: United States Severs Diplomatic Relations with GermanyThe announcement of unrestricted submarine warfare three days earlier had put Wilson in a bind; he had previously warned Germany that such an action would be unacceptable, and would lead to a diplomatic break–but Wilson did not want to enter the war, and still wanted to help negotiate a “peace without victory.” At a cabinet meeting on the 2nd, Wilson was still unsure, despite the urging of his pro-Allied cabinet; he even resorted to dire warnings of the threat of the “yellow race” as a justification for doing nothing. However, by the next day, he decided that he had no choice, and had to break off diplomatic relations with Germany. He addressed Congress on February 3: I think you will agree with me that, in view of this declaration, which suddenly and without prior intimation of any kind deliberately withdraws the solemn assurance given in the Imperial Governments’ note of the 4th of May, 1916, this Government has no alternative consistent with the dignity and honor of the United States but to take the course which, in its note of the 18th of April, 1916, it announced that it would take in the event that the German Government did not declare and effect and abandonment of the methods of submarine warfare which it was then employing and to which it now purposes again to resort. I have therefore directed the Secretary of State to announce to his Excellency the German Ambassador that all diplomatic relations between the United States and the German Empire are severed and that the American Ambassador at Berlin will immediately be withdrawn; and, in accordance with this decision, to hand to his Excellency his passports. Usually, a severing of diplomatic relations was seen as the final step before war. Captain Gaunt, the British naval attaché in Washington, and liaison with the Czech spy ring in the US, sent a telegram to Admiral Hall at Room 40, which simply read: “Bernstorff goes home. I get drunk tonight.” However, Wilson still held out hope for peace: I refuse to believe that it is the intention of the German authorities to do in fact what they have warned us they will feel at liberty to do…Only actual overt acts on their part can make me believe it even now…. We do not desire any hostile conflict with the Imperial German Government. We are the sincere friends of the German people, and earnestly desire to remain at peace with the Government which speaks for them. The first “overt act,” however, would come on the same day, when the U-53 sank the American merchant ship HOUSATONIC, carrying a cargo of wheat to Liverpool. The ship had actually originally been German, and had been sold to Americans after being interned at the start of the war. The sinking caused a furor in the press, but could not really be construed as an act of “barbarism;” the ship was stopped and boarded, and the crew allowed to evacuate, before the German sailors took her supplies of soap and then sank her. There were no casualties, and U-53 even took the HOUSATONIC’S lifeboats in tow for two hours until they found another vessel that could pick them up. Photo: President Wilson before Congress, announcing the break in the official relations with Germany. February 3, 1917 Then in December 8, 1941, FDR would be in the same position. Philippines In Manila Bay German crews wreck the engine-rooms of nine German steamers. I'll be getting about Philippine involvement in World War I once we enter 1918. |
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Post by lordroel on Feb 13, 2022 14:04:23 GMT
United States: United States Severs Diplomatic Relations with GermanyThe announcement of unrestricted submarine warfare three days earlier had put Wilson in a bind; he had previously warned Germany that such an action would be unacceptable, and would lead to a diplomatic break–but Wilson did not want to enter the war, and still wanted to help negotiate a “peace without victory.” At a cabinet meeting on the 2nd, Wilson was still unsure, despite the urging of his pro-Allied cabinet; he even resorted to dire warnings of the threat of the “yellow race” as a justification for doing nothing. However, by the next day, he decided that he had no choice, and had to break off diplomatic relations with Germany. He addressed Congress on February 3: I think you will agree with me that, in view of this declaration, which suddenly and without prior intimation of any kind deliberately withdraws the solemn assurance given in the Imperial Governments’ note of the 4th of May, 1916, this Government has no alternative consistent with the dignity and honor of the United States but to take the course which, in its note of the 18th of April, 1916, it announced that it would take in the event that the German Government did not declare and effect and abandonment of the methods of submarine warfare which it was then employing and to which it now purposes again to resort. I have therefore directed the Secretary of State to announce to his Excellency the German Ambassador that all diplomatic relations between the United States and the German Empire are severed and that the American Ambassador at Berlin will immediately be withdrawn; and, in accordance with this decision, to hand to his Excellency his passports. Usually, a severing of diplomatic relations was seen as the final step before war. Captain Gaunt, the British naval attaché in Washington, and liaison with the Czech spy ring in the US, sent a telegram to Admiral Hall at Room 40, which simply read: “Bernstorff goes home. I get drunk tonight.” However, Wilson still held out hope for peace: I refuse to believe that it is the intention of the German authorities to do in fact what they have warned us they will feel at liberty to do…Only actual overt acts on their part can make me believe it even now…. We do not desire any hostile conflict with the Imperial German Government. We are the sincere friends of the German people, and earnestly desire to remain at peace with the Government which speaks for them. The first “overt act,” however, would come on the same day, when the U-53 sank the American merchant ship HOUSATONIC, carrying a cargo of wheat to Liverpool. The ship had actually originally been German, and had been sold to Americans after being interned at the start of the war. The sinking caused a furor in the press, but could not really be construed as an act of “barbarism;” the ship was stopped and boarded, and the crew allowed to evacuate, before the German sailors took her supplies of soap and then sank her. There were no casualties, and U-53 even took the HOUSATONIC’S lifeboats in tow for two hours until they found another vessel that could pick them up. Photo: President Wilson before Congress, announcing the break in the official relations with Germany. February 3, 1917 Then in December 8, 1941, FDR would be in the same position. Philippines In Manila Bay German crews wreck the engine-rooms of nine German steamers. I'll be getting about Philippine involvement in World War I once we enter 1918. Also you have the Spanish-America War in Real time to look to, i will try to put as much information about the Philippines in it as i can before and during the war. |
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Post by stevep on Feb 23, 2022 18:08:06 GMT
On today's WWI post you have:
Technically the 3rd is a neutral ship so only the 1st two are allied. Somewhat fogged to be admitted by the fact its carrying coal between two British ports.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 23, 2022 19:00:37 GMT
On today's WWI post you have:
Technically the 3rd is a neutral ship so only the 1st two are allied. Somewhat fogged to be admitted by the fact its carrying coal between two British ports.
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Well the Germans will see it as a allied as you say, it is supplying the British with coal. |
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Rather than simply as marine i.e. at sea. Sounds like they were some sort of accidental event rather than clear act of war. 