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Post by lordvesporeon on Jul 27, 2019 17:03:56 GMT
The Sun Rises Yet Again Chapter 1: A Fallen Star
November 11, 1924 The 6th Anniversary of the End of the Great War and 2 Years Since the Great Depression Began In America
"Fucking Jerries, Ruskies and Yanks. I can't believe it's been 6 years since we lost the damn war and yet it hurts like I just heard the announcement on the radio. 'We'll never let the old flag fall' my ass. And those goddamn Frogs didn't help either, losing Paris so quickly, and to think they thought that what they scrounged up at Marne was enough to stop the Jerries. Well look at them now, they surrendered thinking it would save their asses and now the commies rule France. Jerry's smiling right now but once the Commune and the Union team up for some good 'ol revenge from both sides they won't know what hit them.
Meanwhile across the Pond, the Yanks were happy to sell us, and the Hun once our blockade fell apart in '16, everything we needed to fight the war, making a pretty penny off our struggle. Well, serves them right their economy is in a free fall, just wish it didn't extend over here as hard as it did. The Russians were worthless, and they started the whole damn thing. If they just backed off on Serbia none of us would be in this mess. And when they finally surrendered in '18, over 50 divisions came from the East to the West and overran what we had in France. They moved with unstoppable force until they met the Italians, who gave them a right and bloody nose, with some help from us of course. With the Italians unsolved, they sent the majority of their free forces to the Middle East to help the Turks kick us out of there and now Kaiser Bill co-owns the Suez.
Then when the peace was finally agreed on in 1918, Germany stripped us, the French, and the Belgians of all of Central and Eastern Africa as well as parts of Southern Africa, save for Rhodesia, South Africa, and Bechuanaland. In the East, they took Singapore and Malaya. ,,,,The Empire was bruised. Then in 1919, India, dissatisfied with our rule, decided to kick us out for good, the Irish, South Africans, Egyptians, Aussies, Kiwis, and Canadians soon followed suit, with Canada receiving American protection.
Now we are left with Guyana, Hong Kong, Ceylon, West Africa, Newfoundland, and several other scattered colonies as well as the overseas French colonies, a shadow of our former selves. But I, as many of my fellow brothers in arms and the people of Britain, have hope and confidence that we will rise again to our former glory, exact revenge on the Fritz, and raise the Union Jack across the globe once more. The Sun may have set, but the Sun Rises Yet Again.
And with the general election coming up for this year, a new face will lead Britain into the future, one can only wonder who it will be."
Before Every Storm, There Is A Calm
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Post by lordvesporeon on Jul 27, 2019 17:12:11 GMT
This is the continuation of my alternate history timeline from another site. Original thread is here. I will continue to upload already posted chapters and will continue it from there here. Hope you will enjoy it. Small disclaimer, this story is not a representation of my personal or political opinions, I don't support Oswald Mosley, and I definitely don't support Fascism
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Post by lordvesporeon on Jul 27, 2019 17:13:52 GMT
The World of The Sun Rises Yet Again (TSRYA) diverges from ours in September 1914, during the Battle of the Marne. The Germans have charged through Northern France and are just under 200 km from the City of Lights. Maréchal Joffre knew he must do something and so began preparation for a counterattack to drive back the Germans. He needed the assistance of the British Expeditionary Force in order to achieve this. However, the British failed to effectively communicate with the French and Field Marshal John French had no faith in the Armée de Terre and began a withdrawal of the BEF to Channel ports for an evacuation to Britain. Joffre knew victory was unlikely but had no choice, Paris had to be defended, and so began the battle. It was fierce and much closer than either side anticipated. The news of the French success in holding off the Germans despite the odds convinced PM Henry Asquith to order French to turn around and assist. With pressure from the civilian government and military officials, French reversed his withdraw and entered the battle. Although British help was welcomed, it had come too late and the Germans would win the battle.
Paris would be soon taken but the French Government did not surrender, with Clemenceau saying in front of a crowd of reporters and civilians,
"44 years ago, the Allemands laid siege to this beautiful city and the government had no choice but to surrender. I am here to dispel any notions that this will happen again. We will lose Paris, but fear not my fellow Français, we shall fight in the fields, we shall fight in the streets, we shall fight in the hills, in the houses and the rivers, we will defend our dear Marianne, whatever the cost may be. We shall go on to the end. We shall never surrender."
Clemenceau and his government used the defeat of the War of 1870 and several other events to further spread revanchism to the French people. With the conquest of Paris, Germany expected France to fall soon and Italy's entry into the war against them as unlikely and negotiations fell apart.
The Entente, desperate to get the momentum back on their side, began to become far more generous to Italy during the talks, although whether they would've actually given Italy all the land promised or in fact renege and strip the actual gains down to a minimum is unknown as they lost the war. Italy enters early February 1915. The Russian army sees renewed success after such disasters like Tannenberg and gain a temporary advantage over the Austrians and Germans, these victories would not be adequate to quiet civil unrest and the winds of change still approached Russia. This new found pressure from the East allows Italy to carry several successful offensives into Austrian territory and leads to the decisive captures of Trentino, Trieste, South Tyrol, and Istria. Their attempts to advance into the Balkans and Austria are stopped quickly and the front stalemates. In the Middle East, the British and Arab forces are less successful due to a lack of troops due to European demands, they still advance however and achieve substantial success under Claude Auchinleck and others. In the Dark Continent, Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck harasses the British with guerrilla tactics, however Jan Christiaan Smuts manages to achieve several victories, in the end, however, he is defeated not by Vorbeck, as skilled and proficient as the Lion of Africa was, but by the European front, with so many troops siphoned from Africa that Smuts and his successors could no longer take any meaningful action, resigned to defending an ever shrinking front line.
Britain maintained the naval blockade of Germany until 1916, when the battle of Jutland happened. The Royal Navy is spread across the French coast, due to German occupation, and thus lacks several lesser ships. As the battle was nearing it's start, Admiral of the Fleet John Rushworth Jellicoe forebodingly said, "Something is amiss today." He would never know how right he was when less than an hour later his ship suffered a critical malfunction and his ship exploded, killing him. Several other British ships suffered this fate and this meant Britain was on Her back foot at the outset. It seemed as though Germany would achieve a decisive victory and shatter the blockade. This was not to be however due to the bravery of the British seamen and the decisive action of Vice Admiral David Richard Beatty, who turned what would've been a decisive British defeat into draw. A yrrhic draw, but a draw none the less. Although the blockade could be maintained, the Admiralty decided losing their fleet is too dangerous as they need it to transport the troops back to Britain if France were to fall. Germany manages to increase their imports of supplies however this is not enough to overcome the demands and shortages and even low level starvation continue, especially in 1918, as the British do stop any American ship headed to Germany that they can. 3 days after the Battle of Jutalnd ends, The Brusilov Offensive, headed by Alexei Brusilov, begins, turning 1916 into a net negative year for Germany, being pushed back even harder now by the Russian Army. The offensive is largely successful into late 1916 and even very early 1917 but stalls out due to stalwart German resistance. Come 1918, Russia falls to first a Democratic revolution, the government under Kerensky, although viewing the state of the War in the West as dire, senses blood in the water with the Brusilov Offensive's successes and decides to continue the war. This decision was a fatal one however as Germany makes them pay dearly for it and in 1918, a Communist revolution occurs, with the country divided into Civil War. The new Soviet Union signs a peace treaty with Germany, called the treaty of Brest-Litvosk. The losses in the West are staggering, total loss of Poland, Ukraine, the Baltic, and Belorussia. It is however peace, and Russia turns inward to unify itself.
With peace in the East achieved, around 4 dozen German divisions head to France while the Austrians head off to fight the Italians. This counteroffensive pushes back the Italians to their fallback lines and the French front collapses. Britain's army in France is separated in half. Those in the west head to the coast and evacuate to Britain while those in the east retreat into Italy and help them hold of the Germans at Savoy, which is now occupied by Italy. The Germans send armies to the Middle East and Africa to crush the Arab Revolt, forcing Lawrence to retreat to Egypt, where the British hold the canal barely. The war ends on November 11th, at 11th Hour, in 1918. The Germans impose harsh reparations on the French and the British cede some East African and East Asian territory in the treaty. Belgium, untouched territorially in Europe, cedes the Congo to Germany and sees themselves slowly fall into the German sphere influence, as does the massive group of newly independent Eastern European states. With Kenya, German East Africa, the Belgian Congo, and French Cameroon in Germany's hands, the colony of Deutsche Mittelafrika is formed as prestige project for the Kaiser.
In 1919, France falls to communism. Seeking to show strength, the new government decides to quickly default on the loans it owed to America. The Soviet Union does so afterwards in solidarity. Italy, Austria-Hungary, the Ottoman Empire, China, and several other nations smaller nations do so to try and get out of paying any loans they owed the United States, who had grown wealthy off of the war. Seeing everyone defaulting on their loans and afraid that America will soon prevent them from doing so, Britain and Germany default on their loans to the U.S. later that month. The loss of billions of dollars causes America to enter into a state of economic downturn and loss more extreme than any other in history. This phenomena is called the Great Depression. America seemed on its way to enjoy the 20s' and 30s' in peace and prosperity, coming out of the Great War richer and healthier than it had entered, but it was not to be. The age of American prosperity, with some predicting unparalleled growth in the 20s', was never to be. America suffers greatly and the failure of Wilson, Harding, and now Coolidge to fix it causes radicalisation in America.
Seeing the weakened financial, military, diplomatic, and spiritual strength of the Empire, the many far away subjects begin to flee the Ship of State. The first is India, seeing their chance they revolt in a speedy matter, managing to overpower the British in India and, in a strange twist of fate, managing to keep deaths on both sides at a minimum with their readiness to use violence. Australia, disillusioned due to Gallipoli and many other events, leaves next. They are followed quickly by New Zealand. Canada moves next, cutting off ties and aligning itself to America, they do not move to seize Newfoundland however as they do not want war. South Africa is the last to jump ship, with Boer Nationals being the decisive faction in cutting off South Africa. Britain is effected by the collapse of most of the Empire and the Great Depression and Spain falls into a civil war between the Falangist Nationalists and the Big-Tent Republicans. Seeing the collapse of British, French, and Italian influence over the Eastern Mediterranean, the Ottomans move to subguate Greece and reintegrate it peacefully, causing schism in the Greek Royal family between Alexander and George. Japan, the only Entente power to come out of the war better across the board than it started, increases its wealth and enjoys a healthy democracy but is wary of the German and Soviet threats to the North and the South and still has ambitions in China.
The Year is 1924, the Sun has Set on the British Empire. But, The Sun Rises Yet Again.
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Post by lordroel on Jul 27, 2019 17:14:09 GMT
This is the continuation of my alternate history timeline from another site. Original thread is here. I will continue to upload already posted chapters and will continue it from there here. Hope you will enjoy it. Small disclaimer, this story is not a representation of my personal or political opinions, I don't support Oswald Mosley, and I definitely don't support Fascism Nice to see you here, do not worry about a TL about Oswald Mosley, many witters do it as he as far as i know is the only British candidate to lead a fascist Britain.
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Post by Zyobot on Jul 27, 2019 17:17:47 GMT
Well, this looks promising. Since Great Britain is on the road to fascism ITTL, I wonder how WW2 will play out and which countries align into which blocs.
Further, unless America somehow joins the UK's club, then I imagine that there will be quite the wedge between the two Anglospheric powers for a good while.
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Post by lordvesporeon on Jul 27, 2019 17:26:59 GMT
Nice to see you here, do not worry about a TL about Oswald Mosley, many witters do it as he as far as i know is the only British candidate to lead a fascist Britain. Yeah just wanted to make 100% sure, and thank you
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Post by lordvesporeon on Jul 27, 2019 17:30:49 GMT
Indeed, a major trend in the story is the conflict between the Father and the First Born of the Anglosphere throughout the decades and how their relationship develops There is also a lot of development between Britain and other European nations, leading to them forming an equivalent to the EU Well, this looks promising. Since Great Britain is on the road to fascism ITTL, I wonder how WW2 will play out and which countries align into which blocs. Further, unless America somehow joins the UK's club, then I imagine that there will be quite the wedge between the two Anglospheric powers for a good while.
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Post by lordvesporeon on Jul 27, 2019 17:33:07 GMT
A steady flow of memes will occur in this thread for the foreseeable future, one meme a day and 2 chapters a day
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Post by Zyobot on Jul 27, 2019 17:34:02 GMT
Indeed, a major trend in the story is the conflict between the Father and the First Born of the Anglosphere throughout the decades and how their relationship develops There is also a lot of development between Britain and other European nations, leading to them forming an equivalent to the EU Well, this looks promising. Since Great Britain is on the road to fascism ITTL, I wonder how WW2 will play out and which countries align into which blocs. Further, unless America somehow joins the UK's club, then I imagine that there will be quite the wedge between the two Anglospheric powers for a good while. Mm'kay. I'd ask whether TTL's version of the EU is like the democratic, albeit heavily contested one from our ~2019, or a more authoritarian bloc in line with British fascism, but then that'd spoil events that I presume take place further in your story. That said, I look forward to what comes next.
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Post by lordvesporeon on Jul 27, 2019 17:38:20 GMT
The Sun Rises Yet Again Chapter 2: This Was Their Darkest Hour
December 6, 1924 Election Day in Britain"Today's the day. I went down to my station already and voted and pretty much everyone I know is going too; we might actually have the highest turnout ever today. Stanley thought he was safe once he bought his way into office. Little did he know Mosley and MacDonald were having none of that. They formed a joint Vicky-Labour coalition against him which barred him from getting anything done. In response he called a snap election to increase the Conservative's numbers to a point where he can push his ideas past Parliament. The election is today and my family, my friends and my neighborhood are all voting for Oswald Mosley and The Victorian Union as they are the only ones saying what needs to be said, promising to do what needs to be done and Sir Mosley is a military man himself. I have a feeling that he can pull off a victory as the VU has been rising ever since its formation in 1919 with the help of a few influential people such as Viscount Harold Harmsworth and Crown Prince David as well as the boom in membership since the Depression hit Britain. Now might be our chance to seize the day and make Britannia great again! All hail Victorianism and all hail victory!" This is it, this is the day. In 12 hours we will know if all those papers written and radio talks broadcasted and all the hours spent cosying up to whatever influential politician, business or enlisted man who would give us the time of day actually paid off. My entourage and I are heading off to London to attempt to shatter that bastion of liberalism. I am quite gay that I was able to broadcast another speech with Crown Prince David, much to his father's disdain. I gladly await the day when men of such high intellect and character guide this great nation once more. I extinguish my fag and I enter the car and we are off to London. On the way I see crowds auspiciously cheering my name, "Mosley, Mosley! A vote for the VU is a vote for a better Britain!", I smile inwardly. I roll down the windows and yell to them, "Nay! A greater Britain!" They cheer at the sound of my voice and make a deafening sound which I could almost believe can be heard for miles. I reach London soon enough, I visit the voting booths to raise morale and encourage higher turnout, I shake the hands of hard working and honest British men who will vote for VU, I kiss the hands of beautiful, bountiful and undoubtedly loyal women who will one day become the mothers who will no doubt birth the future generations full of youth and vibrance. These future generations will be the ones that will continue Britain's greatness into the future indefinitely. This well of youth, hope and optimism fills me with energy and I feel a feeling I have not truly experienced since I was upon the fields of France fighting the Fritz, a primal and boundless energy that cannot be traced or artificially produced or incited through one's own will or actions on purpose. It cannot be sought, only discovered fortuitously through living one's life as one wishes. I leave the booths and walk with my entourage to Number 10 to a rally we have staged there to gather support, I will give a speech there. I arrive there at noon. I head up onto the podium and begin to speak. Oswald Mosley
"My fellow Britons, grant me silence so that I may explain the righteousness and justness of our cause. People who disagree with my ideas often ask me, 'Why do you support this crazy ideology? You are a cultist and a madman', the irony is that this cannot be farther than the truth. The reason why Victorianism has arisen and is spreading among the British people is rather simple. Victorianism is an explosion, a reaction, against intolerable conditions, against remediable wrongs which the old world fails to remedy. It is a movement to secure national renaissance by people who feel themselves threatened with decline into decadence and death but are determined to live, and live greatly. There are periods in history when change is necessary, and other periods when it is better to keep everything for the time as it is, we my friends are in the former. To deny the coming change is suicidal, neglectful, and selfish, for you hurt not only yourselves but also all of Britain and her people. I hope this inspires you to make the right choice today. God save the King. And one last thing to those who are still opposed to me, I have but 4 words for you..." "The Future is Present"Mosley Giving A Speech On The Tory And Labour Parties, 1924 As Pictured Below, Members Of The Victorian Union Hard At Work To Spread Their Beliefs, 1924Oswald Mosley Giving His Famous "The Future is Present" Speech, 1924
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Post by lordvesporeon on Jul 27, 2019 17:40:57 GMT
Indeed, a major trend in the story is the conflict between the Father and the First Born of the Anglosphere throughout the decades and how their relationship develops There is also a lot of development between Britain and other European nations, leading to them forming an equivalent to the EU Mm'kay. I'd ask whether TTL's version of the EU is like the democratic, albeit heavily contested one from our ~2019, or a more authoritarian bloc in line with British fascism, but then that'd spoil events that I presume take place further in your story. That said, I look forward to what comes next. It is definitely the latter, authoritarian, reactionary bloc however British Fascism is just one of the many Fascistic ideologies in it, you'll see
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Post by Zyobot on Jul 27, 2019 17:45:12 GMT
Mm'kay. I'd ask whether TTL's version of the EU is like the democratic, albeit heavily contested one from our ~2019, or a more authoritarian bloc in line with British fascism, but then that'd spoil events that I presume take place further in your story. That said, I look forward to what comes next. It is definitely the latter, authoritarian, reactionary bloc however British Fascism is just one of the many Fascistic ideologies in it, you'll see Now I get the feeling that the post-WW2 global order will be characterized by a Cold War between the democratic United States and the reactionary, UK-led EU. I'm unsure what role the Soviet Union, if at all, might play here. But I digress, as I'm not trying to fish for potentially TL-spoiling information.
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Post by lordvesporeon on Jul 27, 2019 17:50:48 GMT
Those Who Have Helped Although this story is my creation and most of the work is mine, I cannot understate the help of two people in particular. Panzerlied and Confederate Liberal who provided help with several things. Panzerlied gave many good ideas including the idea to introduce Garand to the British and the structuring of the Home Guard into a more refined version (coming soon) while Confederate Liberal provided and continues to provide valuable assistance in forming an OOB and formulating an idea on the naval strength of the great powers and the path of British naval developments. Unfortunately the full breadth of Confederate Liberal's help is locked away as it is in private conversations on AH.com that I can no longer access so I must wait for him to reestablish contact with me.
If anyone has any ideas they wish to see implemented into the TL feel free to post them whenever. I'm usually open to them and I'll be sure to provide visible credit as well as updating this post as time goes on
Current and Past Contributors .Panzerlied .Old1812 .Confederate Liberal .Nikas
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Post by lordroel on Jul 27, 2019 18:00:26 GMT
Nice to see you here, do not worry about a TL about Oswald Mosley, many witters do it as he as far as i know is the only British candidate to lead a fascist Britain. Yeah just wanted to make 100% sure, and thank you No problem, now i just am waiting for somebody to write a fascist Ireland TL. It is definitely the latter, authoritarian, reactionary bloc however British Fascism is just one of the many Fascistic ideologies in it, you'll see which also induces Spanish Fascism and Italian Fascism. Also lordvesporeon, do you want to keep the TL here ore should i move it to the Alternate Timeline Writer’s Hub.
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Post by lordvesporeon on Jul 27, 2019 18:07:46 GMT
Yeah just wanted to make 100% sure, and thank you No problem, now i just am waiting for somebody to write a fascist Ireland TL. It is definitely the latter, authoritarian, reactionary bloc however British Fascism is just one of the many Fascistic ideologies in it, you'll see which also induces Spanish Fascism and Italian Fascism. Also lordvesporeon , do you want to keep the TL here ore should i move it to the Alternate Timeline Writer’s Hub. Keep it here, it is far from even 1 quarter through, I've only progressed two years IU when I'm planning to go for about 60
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