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Post by amir on Oct 22, 2019 11:17:51 GMT
Sorry- my decoy GLCMs were going to Northampton to park on the County Ground, helping the Posh triumph over Northampton Town once and for all when the Sovs strike it ! The R-team is stuck at the Dartford Tunnel having landed surreptitiously at Walmington-on Sea prior to their HSF unit mobilizing . On a more serious note, one thing that would happen in the “bolt from the blue” would be groups of NATO forces away from home station due to routine circumstances. As an example, USAREUR Troop Schools were located at Grafenwohr, near Vilseck. This is an unformed group of about a battalion plus worth of students and cadre with light weapons. In addition, at least a Battalion task force was always on the ranges at Grafenwohr or maneuvering at nearby Hohenfels. They would need to upload service ammunition, but would be formed and more importantly dispersed against possible chem strike. BAOR would likely have the same thing occur at Bergen-Hohne or Sennelager as would the KL. Another example is the ILRRP school in Weingarten. This would have a couple companies worth of NATO elite forces undergoing training at any given time- once the infiltration problem is solved you have potential stay behind observers. The school mostly trained reconnaissance and surveillance related skills. Awesome story and lots of fun!
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Post by stevep on Oct 22, 2019 18:22:23 GMT
Sorry- my decoy GLCMs were going to Northampton to park on the County Ground, helping the Posh triumph over Northampton Town once and for all when the Sovs strike it ! The R-team is stuck at the Dartford Tunnel having landed surreptitiously at Walmington-on Sea prior to their HSF unit mobilizing . On a more serious note, one thing that would happen in the “bolt from the blue” would be groups of NATO forces away from home station due to routine circumstances. As an example, USAREUR Troop Schools were located at Grafenwohr, near Vilseck. This is an unformed group of about a battalion plus worth of students and cadre with light weapons. In addition, at least a Battalion task force was always on the ranges at Grafenwohr or maneuvering at nearby Hohenfels. They would need to upload service ammunition, but would be formed and more importantly dispersed against possible chem strike. BAOR would likely have the same thing occur at Bergen-Hohne or Sennelager as would the KL. Another example is the ILRRP school in Weingarten. This would have a couple companies worth of NATO elite forces undergoing training at any given time- once the infiltration problem is solved you have potential stay behind observers. The school mostly trained reconnaissance and surveillance related skills. Awesome story and lots of fun!
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You a Posh man as well? Well its nearly 50 years since I saw a game at the ground but always had them as my 1st team.
Steve
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Post by James G on Oct 22, 2019 19:43:23 GMT
Good update. One certainly hopes that those civilian dependents snatchednfrom West Berlin will be treated reasonably. Using them as hostages is illegal but my primary concern here would be for their treatment while they are in custody rather than anything else. Regrettably, with nuclear war on the horizon, I can't see them ever making it home. As for the special forces concept: I doubt it would happen in a bolt from the blue attack. Had NATO seen this coming, SAD & Green Beret types would have used West Berlin as a staging arda to infiltrate East Germany and link up with potential partisan elements, but not in this case. The Green Beret element in West Berlin (Det A, of about 90 men) might make it out and keep up the fight, but I doubt it given that they were taken by surprise. Thank you. There will be no deliberate bad treatment under orders but horrible things will be done on an individual level by some people. It happens in all wars. I don't think we will be seeing them again either, yes. I agree overall with the NATO SF in West Berlin. Some personnel will make a dash for it and probably do something special but it won't be enough to make a big difference. They can and will cause trouble though. Every soldier hunting them is one not elsewhere too. The only thing that would make it more amusing is that while the convoy would head east on the A14 past Huntingdon and Cambridge towards Lowerstoft, it's likely to be a decoy. Molesworth didn't have an airfield attached to it, however RAF Alconbury did and around this time was flying A-10s and TR1 recon aircraft. If you send a big obvious convoy east, you send a smaller convoy to Alconbury and fly the missiles out from there. If you're feeling thoroughly devious, RAF Upwood (USAFE Medical centre), had a short, rough runway, good enough for a loaded C-130 to take off from, but nothing more delicate than that, (it's a weird cobbled strip). Today, the site of Upwood is being demolished to make room for another estate in the village. The hangers are now industrial units and the base housing has been sold off to locals, (all except the base commanders house that is, that's gone to ruin). This works very well. It makes sense for decoys to be used and then the real thing to be made to look like a clear decoy too. When I wrote the Spetsnaz story, I had those commandos looking in Wiltshire for the convoys from Greenham Common, following lures laid to make them think that too. All the while, the GLCMs were up in Worcestershire. Just fiction but I thought that would be how that would work.
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Post by James G on Oct 22, 2019 19:46:00 GMT
Sorry- my decoy GLCMs were going to Northampton to park on the County Ground, helping the Posh triumph over Northampton Town once and for all when the Sovs strike it ! The R-team is stuck at the Dartford Tunnel having landed surreptitiously at Walmington-on Sea prior to their HSF unit mobilizing . On a more serious note, one thing that would happen in the “bolt from the blue” would be groups of NATO forces away from home station due to routine circumstances. As an example, USAREUR Troop Schools were located at Grafenwohr, near Vilseck. This is an unformed group of about a battalion plus worth of students and cadre with light weapons. In addition, at least a Battalion task force was always on the ranges at Grafenwohr or maneuvering at nearby Hohenfels. They would need to upload service ammunition, but would be formed and more importantly dispersed against possible chem strike. BAOR would likely have the same thing occur at Bergen-Hohne or Sennelager as would the KL. Another example is the ILRRP school in Weingarten. This would have a couple companies worth of NATO elite forces undergoing training at any given time- once the infiltration problem is solved you have potential stay behind observers. The school mostly trained reconnaissance and surveillance related skills. Awesome story and lots of fun! There will be different forces all over the place. The big NATO exercise was meant to start in the following weeks but ahead of that, other things were happening. It is summertime and good training weather. I've used the idea in stories before of personnel at training centres racing to be replacements/reinforcements and I will do again her with this one. There was a NATO unit of Tornados in the UK - RAF/West Germans/Italians - and they are one of many which I will put into play. Smaller, almost tiny numbers of other forces will be just as important too though.
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Post by James G on Oct 22, 2019 19:47:31 GMT
116 – First night of the air war
During the missile attack on the UK during the evening, the Norfolk airbases of RAF Coltishall and RAF Marham had been struck with cruise missiles fitted with high explosive warheads. Many other RAF stations elsewhere across Britain, plus the American-operated sites in the wider East Anglia area, had seen chemical strikes take place while that wasn’t the case at that particular pair of airbases. Because it wasn’t just Coltishall & Marham that didn’t face gas attacks – there were those others too –, nothing odd was thought about this. The thinking was that luck had spared such sites from getting a dose of what other places did with the use of persistent chemical agents which would take much effort to decontaminate. The Jaguar GR1s from Coltishall and Marham’s Tornado GR1s flew offensive air missions over the Continent tonight with the aircrews unaware that in a few days, their home stations would be getting many unwelcome visitors taking advantage of the lack of deadly contamination. Joining them in the skies were many other aircraft. Some came out of the UK, others from the Low Countries & France and further ones from inside West Germany. Hundreds of jets from the air forces of many nations had been flying all day but a large number were airborne on the first night of the war. They flew eastwards.
Together, NATO had never fought a war before in the skies or even on the ground. Starting at dawn this morning, that had changed. Several members of the alliance had been involved in armed conflicts though with their air forces seeing action outside of Europe. Even those which hadn’t engaged opposing forces had been involved in detailed training and were outfitted with good equipment. The fighting during the day had meant that NATO air units had seen action by now. Those that flew tonight weren’t going in green. What happened might have given the appearance that they were though. Operating over a hostile battlefield and within a dangerous sky too, there were many casualties. They were going up against a potent and alerted enemy which operated an Integrated Air Defence System (IADS). The Soviet IADS combined interceptors, tactical fighters, missiles and anti-aircraft guns with rather responsive command-and-control. It was an aggressive defence that this particular IADS provided too. Elements of it had moved forward behind with the invading troops and tanks which had gone over the Inner-German Border. More of it stretched backwards too through the Warsaw Pact countries. Soviet and East German aircrews had found out the hard way through the day where red-on-red incidents had occurred as to just how lethal the ground defences which were part of the IADS could be. The dedicated interceptors, plus whatever tactical fighters could be drawn in after pulled from other missions, completed the line-up of defenders to stop NATO air attacks from doing any serious damage on a grand scale during the first night. On many occasions, there were significant negative effects caused when strikes did manage to get through, as the IADS failed at times, but this was the exception rather than the rule. The bombing at low-level by US Air Force F-111s (flying out of RAF Upper Heyford despite the gas attack there) to hit Sperenberg Airbase was one of those successful exceptions whereas when the British used many Tornados to go after portions of the uncommitted Third Shock Army staging near Magdeburg, they lost almost a dozen jets. NATO aircraft were brought down all over the place. They were shot out of the sky when faced with these air defences. Their successes made were far outnumbered by the failures met. There was no surprise on the part of NATO. It was known what they were going to face. Still, the aircraft were sent. The air strikes had to be made. NATO needed to bomb those airbases and tank concentrations in East Germany and Czechoslovakia; there was also the urgent requirement to hit the invading units which had entered West Germany with a focus being on rear areas rather than at the frontlines. Knocking out a tank or two with air power was important but more could be gained from bombing an artillery regiment or blowing up a column of supply trucks.
There were tactical missions being flown too though through the hours of darkness. It was when operating closer to the frontlines, flying with tactical guidance from those on the ground, that NATO had plentiful success. The IADS had stretched forward but it was unfamiliar terrain. NATO air forces knew the lay of the land. They knew exactly where geographical features – mountain, hills and valleys – offered the best masking for approach. The Soviets and their allies had their maps but they’d never in practice flown through them or set up defences within. A-10s, Alpha Jets and Harriers did a lot of the tactical work where they hit tanks, armoured vehicles, forward artillery units and also dismounted infantry if possible. F-4s, F-16s, Mirages and Tornados did join in though moved backwards behind the Forward Edge of the Battlefield with that striking deeper into enemy formations to target high-value targets with divisional assets getting hit. Guns and SAMs fired at them. Aircraft were brought down here too, just not as many which were hit as further back.
While NATO aircraft were involved in offensive air missions in countless places, there was particular focus in several places more than elsewhere. Down the eastern side of Schleswig-Holstein, the Danes and West Germans were busy. Soviet Naval Infantry, East German paratroopers and that Soviet Army tank regiment airlifted in had occupied a large portion of ground. They were moving north and west, already having linked up with more East Germans that had come over the Inner-German Border. West German troops in the area had been overcome or shunted out of the way, towards Hamburg especially where the East Germans weren’t following and seemed content to allow them to hold. Plenty of NATO air power was used here. It was the same on the Luneburg Heath and the part of Lower Saxony east of Hannover where Soviet advances had seen them move far forward smashing through NATO resistance or forcing defenders to retreat. Down in Hessen in the middle of the country, the West Germans had been driven far back and the Americans were at risk of being surrounded while still holding part of the Fulda Gap. Aircraft fired cannons, launched rockets & missiles and dropped bombs. Through eastern Bavaria, not so much the north, there were again more air strikes flown against Soviet forces which had come in from Czechoslovakia. Inside Bremen – taken and held by Soviet troops first airlifted in to be joined by the remains of one of those armoured VDV columns –, Wolfsburg, Gottingen, Kassel and Nurnberg there were Soviet forces but no NATO air strikes came because of the presence of so many friendly civilians within these urban & semi-urban areas. Attacks from above could have achieved much but there was a hesitancy to unleash strikes there unless they could be perfectly targeted to avoid hitting civilian concentrations.
The commando raid at Geilenkirchen had wiped out (for good or at least many months) more than two-thirds of the E-3 AWACS aircraft there. The survivors were flyable though only after some time due to the scale of the damage they had taken. Minor it might have been overall to the three which weren’t blown up or set partially alight but aircraft like these weren’t supposed to fly with bullet holes in them so care had to be taken before they could. AWACS operations moved away from that airbase too, making the delay in usage longer. However, there were more of these aircraft than just those that the Soviet Spetsnaz team had caught on the ground. Others were away from their base at various sites for different reasons. A couple more of them were available for flight operations to help control the NATO air effort. The Soviets came after them when they were in the sky like they had when they were on the ground. Flights of MiG-25 interceptors shot across the sky at high-speed (ruining their engines in the process) to get into shooting positions in-close. Missiles were used to engage them and two were taken down with another badly damaged and barely making it to an emergency operating location in France. Others who survived these attacks were distracted from their operations. NATO was really missing them. The air forces could, and did, fight without them but such aircraft were true force-multipliers.
Efforts were also made to interfere using other means with NATO’s air attacks with that taking place on the ground rather than in the skies. West German civilians had been fleeing away from the war as they streamed westwards all day. There had been panicked scenes. There had been horrible scenes. The nightmare for them would continue. Throughout the day, civilian refugees had caused problems for NATO as they clogged roads. There had also been the worry that among them there would be enemy units using the flow of humanity running in desperation for their lives for their own purposes. Security measures had been implemented but it was known that this was never going to be enough. It wasn’t. There were all of those Spetsnaz units that the Soviets had on-hand, men who hadn’t gone over into West Germany before the start of the war but had done so with much gusto once it begun. The detachments disguised as civilians fulfilled many missions. They seized infrastructure and conducted roving attacks against NATO military forces on the move. The operations took place on a huge scale. Many of these saw the commandos killed. NATO was alerted and, while the Spetsnaz were capable, they weren’t invincible especially when their opponents were no longer asleep. Among all of this, attacks were made against airbases. Security forces were out and the facilities ringed with defences inside. Still, the Spetsnaz struck. They tried everything they could to disrupt air operations from raids with men getting into the airbases to firing mortars from outside to launching SAMs against aircraft during take-off & landing to long-range sniping. Overt and covert means were employed in repeated attempts at many locations. This wouldn’t stop when the hours of darkness ended. Neither would it come to a halt wherever NATO air operations moved to following, in the belief of those directing the attacks, the certain seizure of these sites by the oncoming Soviet Army soon enough.
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Post by Dan on Oct 23, 2019 7:10:39 GMT
amir & stevepI didn't realise Peterborough had so many alt-historians in it. That's at least 3 in the area I know of now.
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Post by amir on Oct 23, 2019 10:59:49 GMT
I’ve been gone almost 20 years. Used to go to Alconbury for the air show every summer.
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Post by forcon on Oct 23, 2019 13:27:42 GMT
Didn't NATO use geese as opposed to dogs for alerting the security units of intruders at airbases?
Makes sense. I would rather fight the whole RAF Regiment than a damned goose to be honest - they're vicious bastards. Once saw them described rather accurately as 'snake chickens'.
Humour aside, good update. The Spetsnaz prospects in the near future do not look good, especially if they're considered to be spies as opposed to lawful combatants upon capture.
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Post by stevep on Oct 23, 2019 14:38:07 GMT
amir & stevep I didn't realise Peterborough had so many alt-historians in it. That's at least 3 in the area I know of now.
I'm a Crowlander originally but moved down to Hampshire nearly 40 years ago - where has the time gone . Was back 'home' 2016-17 to look after my mum until she died so doubt I will ever be back again but still attached to both Crowland and Peterborough and Posh are still my 1st [club] team. Happiest days in my life were the three years at college in the late 70's.
Anyway James apologies for hijacking the thread.
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Post by amir on Oct 23, 2019 15:39:56 GMT
I’m betting SOF and other high intelligence value prisoners (intelligence, reconnaissance, communications, aircrew) on both sides won’t enjoy captivity as they are pumped for any information they have.
With the chemical attacks likely having killed and wounded hundreds to thousands of NATO military family members and the local civilian population, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a reluctance to accept surrenders from NATO forces on the whole. Much less the nihilism that may step in as the nuclear threshold is approached by aircrew who have seen their loved ones die horribly in a chemical attack.
A second order effect of the persistent chemical laydown is disruption of other transportation sectors. For example, the M3/M25 is likely contaminated by the Heathrow attack as are the BR East Coast Mainline and the A1(M) by the Alconbury attack. They are going to require surveying and either rerouting or decontamination stations entering and leaving to prevent the spread of contamination; the decontamination equation gets worse for a dusty agent that has shorter persistence, but is more susceptible to being spread outside the initial marked strike zone by the wind. Plus all the nasty contaminated runoff from the area and the fact that every casualty is contaminated...
I’m wondering what civil capacity existed in the UK circa 1987 to handle this in the scope and scale required. I’m thinking the surveying may fall under the ROC’s (mostly nuclear) umbrella, and the actual decontamination is a matter of detergents and hot water but not sure. Maybe the TA or HSF get called in to help with the surveying and decon?
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Post by James G on Oct 23, 2019 19:49:22 GMT
Didn't NATO use geese as opposed to dogs for alerting the security units of intruders at airbases? Makes sense. I would rather fight the whole RAF Regiment than a damned goose to be honest - they're vicious bastards. Once saw them described rather accurately as 'snake chickens'. Humour aside, good update. The Spetsnaz prospects in the near future do not look good, especially if they're considered to be spies as opposed to lawful combatants upon capture. I mentioned geese in the comments a few weeks back. I meant to put that into an update... and I forgot about them until now! The use wasn't that widespread. Where they were used, it was for that violent reaction that they were. from what I hear, they are rather 'territorial'. There will be some Spetsnaz in uniform, some in civilian clothes. Official policy won't be to shoot on sight but it will happen a lot. Those caught and properly detained will no doubt have a bad time in custody and be threatened with execution to get them to talk.
Anyway James apologies for hijacking the thread.
No worries at all! I’m betting SOF and other high intelligence value prisoners (intelligence, reconnaissance, communications, aircrew) on both sides won’t enjoy captivity as they are pumped for any information they have. With the chemical attacks likely having killed and wounded hundreds to thousands of NATO military family members and the local civilian population, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a reluctance to accept surrenders from NATO forces on the whole. Much less the nihilism that may step in as the nuclear threshold is approached by aircrew who have seen their loved ones die horribly in a chemical attack. A second order effect of the persistent chemical laydown is disruption of other transportation sectors. For example, the M3/M25 is likely contaminated by the Heathrow attack as are the BR East Coast Mainline and the A1(M) by the Alconbury attack. They are going to require surveying and either rerouting or decontamination stations entering and leaving to prevent the spread of contamination; the decontamination equation gets worse for a dusty agent that has shorter persistence, but is more susceptible to being spread outside the initial marked strike zone by the wind. Plus all the nasty contaminated runoff from the area and the fact that every casualty is contaminated... I’m wondering what civil capacity existed in the UK circa 1987 to handle this in the scope and scale required. I’m thinking the surveying may fall under the ROC’s (mostly nuclear) umbrella, and the actual decontamination is a matter of detergents and hot water but not sure. Maybe the TA or HSF get called in to help with the surveying and decon? That will surely happen. Most POWs will be left alone post capture but those of interest will have a bad time. It might be the case that the scale of the attack and the sneak strike will cause a 'fight to the finish' attitude, but at the same time, many, especially those who have seen defeat, will probably want it over with. Now I agree with those getting orders for anuclear strike doing it with gusto if they feel there is nothing to come home to. That is likely. Britain has just had its first taste of this and it won't be the only one. The clean-up will be terrible, and the attacks will keep coming. A 'clever' attack might hit the targets again, with a different chemical or even high-explosives, to go after clean-up crews. The whole country around them will be seeing panic too, getting far worse a few days later when unwelcome guests start arriving.
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Post by James G on Oct 23, 2019 19:50:57 GMT
117 – Defeat on the North German Plain
August 24th 1987 would be a day long remembered in British military history. It would be recalled for all the wrong reasons though, in the same manner as February 15th 1942 was with that second date being when Singapore fell. On this Monday morning, the British Army suffered a grave defeat on the North German Plain. It wasn’t one from which there could be any recovery in either the short- nor medium-term. Thousands of men were left dead or prisoner; others ended up trapped behind enemy lines soon to join them. Major combat units, large professional ones of well-trained and well-equipped forces, were wiped out wholescale. Attacking Soviet and East German forces went through the British. It would be too much to call it a massacre, but it was close to being so. Faced with the Soviet war machine in full swing, the British Army couldn’t stand up to it. It was all too much for them. The situation was the same with the West Germans also fighting on the same patch of ground along with what few Americans were here too; the Dutch managed to get away though escape wasn’t what they would eventually end up achieving. The stunning loss that the British and their NATO allies suffered while fighting east of the Weser, between there and the Inner-German Border, was a shared defeat between them all.
Without their full complement of available units, as well as the ongoing terrible supply situation, the British and their allies tried to fight off the advance made on the war’s second day by the Second Guards Tank Army. On paper, NATO had the stronger force here in terms of numbers. They weren’t at full strength though. The individual units weren’t fighting where they were supposed to be under plans for wartime and they weren’t aided by what was happening in the rear. NATO had achieved much overnight air success but once the morning came, the Soviets and the East Germans flooded the skies with many more aircraft than they had before. The Poles were called upon to throw in jets and armed helicopters to add to this. There was also the continued use of long-range rockets and tactical ballistic missiles. Chemical weapons were also employed. Defending against all this was a challenge itself. Then there was the onrush of tanks, so many of them. The Second Guards Tank Army bought its two tank divisions – the Soviet 16th Guards Tank and the East German 9th Armoured – into play after previously just using their trio of motor rifle divisions. The addition six hundred tanks onto the battlefield made the difference. They weren’t used in penny-packet fashion but instead as armoured juggernauts at regimental size. The gains made yesterday by the motor rifle units were built upon. The East Germans came out of the Altmark and across the Luneburg Heath. Both the Soviet 21st & 94th Guards Motor Rifle Divisions had been battered about much yet they maintained a strong position. East German tanks came up behind them to crash into scattered units from four different NATO armies. Most of the 9th Division fielded older T-55s and when these met their opponents in battle, the fight should have been won by NATO. They did have some much newer T-72s as well but the T-55s saw most of the action. The Soviets were with them too, using their own T-64s from the motor rifle divisions. Plenty of East German tanks drew fire when they were pushed forward. They did cause much damage back yet in the main that was to armoured infantry vehicles and infantry instead of top-of-the-range NATO tanks. An overall advance begun in the face of defensive fire. Their tanks kept on coming forward, outnumbering those of their opponents. The Dutch and West Germans were in the way first with the East Germans overcoming them though with their division being left a ruin afterwards. It opened up a gap though for the following tank units from the motor rifle divisions to go for the Americans and the British who’d just had their flank torn open. The US Army’s Forward Brigade (3rd of the 2nd Armored) and the British 1st Armoured Division – with only the 7th & 22nd Armoured Brigades – would have been able to fight the East Germans off and should have been able to beat the Soviets off if this was a fair fight. It wasn’t though, not in these circumstances. They attempted a retreat, a tactical withdrawal, and one which left the survivors of two West German brigades behind. Aircraft and helicopters struck from above, fighting through everything thrown their way to stop them and thus taking shocking losses as they did so. NATO too threw in much air power, so much of that also lost in the doomed effort to save their men on the ground. Friendly air intervention helped to slow up the retreat to try to reach the Weser near Verden and it also allowed the Soviets to get behind them. A last engagement was fought just short of that river which the Anglo-American troops came so close to reaching in the hope of coming back again soon enough when reinforced. They were destroyed instead. The Forward Brigade and the 1st Armoured were wiped out. The Dutch and another West German brigade retreated as well. Those serving with the 41st Armored Brigade were waiting for the rest of their comrades-in-arms homebased the Netherlands to come reach them; the men with the 31st Panzergrenadier Brigade were quite aware that their fellow West Germans had already been lost. The pair of brigades went north, falling back in the direction of the North Sea. Bremerhaven and Cuxhaven were that way: there was a forlorn hope that an escape could be made at some later stage. East German harassment operations were conducted to keep them moving off the battlefield. A serious effort to destroy them wasn’t yet made because concentration as being paid elsewhere… give it time though and those who escaped this morning would be eliminated soon enough.
West German paratroopers, their elite fallschirmjager with the 27th Airborne Brigade, had been sent to Hannover overnight to hold the line some distance outside that city along with what parts of the 1st Panzer Division were left fighting in the general area. Coming up behind them was most of the 7th Panzer Division with the British bringing their 4th Armoured Division too, minus those left on the Weser near the Westphalian Gap. This was an impressive force when all assembled and they did have an open supply route coming up Autobahn-2. Stopping that attack made by the remains of the 207th Motor Rifle Division, joined by the fresh 16th Guards Division, was impossible though. All of those Soviets tanks, supported by armoured vehicles & air support, came at the British and the West Germans. It was a huge attack with the Soviets throwing everything into it all at once. They unleashed all the firepower they had in support. Those West Germans on the frontlines were pounded as they were held in-place while the newly arriving 7th Panzer took the full impact of the massed Soviet tank attack. The British moved to their aid, abandoning the planned mission of sweeping up onto the Luneburg Heath and taking the Soviets effectively from behind. Their 4th Armoured was only partially complete as a formation with many pieces either still back in the UK or in transit. Soon, they were standing in the way of Soviet tanks which lanced through the West Germans and came at them next. Soviet artillery, rockets and air attacks shifted to the British right at that very moment in a perfectly coordinated manner. The 4th Armoured was unable to do anything about which went through them on the Leine between Hannover and Hildesheim. Hot on the heels of a wave of explosives, the 16th Guards Division quickly reached Garbsen between the bigger of them too cities. Those British and West Germans not overrun by the armoured juggernaut were soon cut off.
The cost in terms of damage wrought to the Second Guards Tank Army was just as huge. When the twin advances stopped near Verden on the Weser and close to Hannover’s airport, the overall strength was now down half of what it had been at dawn yesterday. The East Germans had lost two-thirds of their division and the Soviet 21st Guards Division was in a similar state. The 16th Guards Division still had three-questers of its strength with many tanks left but the 94th Guards & 207th Divisions had about half of what they once had. The five-division field army needed to halt. It really needed replacing by another moving in to take its place. That wasn’t to be. The morning was over but the fight wasn’t. Under instruction from his superior at the First Western Front HQ, the army commander released the last of his combat units. It was an independent tank regiment: another ninety-plus tanks. They went across the North German Plain and over the Leine near to Laatzen. Some surviving Britons were met, ones who’d already had a full tank division go through them already. A spirited defence was put up but it was pointless especially since hundreds of heavy guns was suddenly all given a target mission of the Laatzen area. Across the river went that regiment, linking up with the remains of the 16th Guards Division that had orders to disregard losses, forget going north anymore and turn westwards for the Weser. An onrush of Soviet tanks raced for the Westphalian Gap once more, the scene of that British victory last night against that VDV armoured column. Other elements of the beat-up Second Guards Tank Army were at Verden – a reasonably good site to cross the river at – and there were also those airmobile troops (plus the remains of another VDV regiment which had come in overland) in Bremen, but the main river crossing was to be attempted near to Porta Westfalica in the coming afternoon. There were NATO troops there, British and West Germans, who suddenly were ordered to assume defensive positions and hold the river-line. Their chances didn’t look good at all…
…especially because the Third Shock Army, with four further tanks divisions, was moving up to the border too aiming to start seeing action tonight wherever needed.
Meanwhile, behind where the frontlines had moved to, a large portion of West Germany lay in ruins. The fighting had been short but the destruction caused was extensive due to the extreme violence used. Air strikes, missile attacks and artillery had delivered explosives and gas into the eastern side of the North German Plain. There were cities and large towns everywhere from out of which many civilians had fled (plenty of them were on that autobahn stretching to the Weser and caught in a traffic jam like no other) but in which many still remained. The war had touched Celle, Hannover and Hildesheim in ways it hadn’t done to those closer to the border such as Braunschweig, Goslar, Salzgitter and Wolfsburg. The scale of civilian casualties was horrendous. This was somewhere that no one would have wanted to fight a war if they were concerned about innocents getting caught up in it. Rear-area Soviet and East German troops moved in. They had many tasks to see to, including dealing with cut-off NATO troops that were seemingly everywhere. Many of them would soon start surrendering, others would fight on though despite the helplessness of the situation. The war was moving on, deeper into West Germany, but behind those new frontlines it didn’t feel over to those left behind.
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amir
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Post by amir on Oct 24, 2019 11:07:58 GMT
Great update- looks like things are unraveling rapidly for NORTHAG! Why do I have a feeling 1NL Corps have just become hostages along with Bremerhaven and Cuxhaven?
The USAF and RAF groundcrew have to be suffering effects of fatigue, as the persistent chemical attack requires working prolonged periods in full CBR kit while decontamination went on around them. Aircraft would be decontaminated after sorties, and efforts would be made to establish safe lanes to prevent decontaminated equipment from being recontaminated but the vapor hazard against personnel would persist. Add in follow on attacks with new or more agent and conventional ordnance and it just gets worse. Im sure this is another factor in the Soviet plan.
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Post by stevep on Oct 24, 2019 17:42:05 GMT
Very nasty for NATO and for the British especially given their limited forces. However as you say very, very bad for the population of west Germany with almost certainly worse is to come.
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James G
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Post by James G on Oct 24, 2019 19:17:59 GMT
Great update- looks like things are unraveling rapidly for NORTHAG! Why do I have a feeling 1NL Corps have just become hostages along with Bremerhaven and Cuxhaven? The USAF and RAF groundcrew have to be suffering effects of fatigue, as the persistent chemical attack requires working prolonged periods in full CBR kit while decontamination went on around them. Aircraft would be decontaminated after sorties, and efforts would be made to establish safe lanes to prevent decontaminated equipment from being decontaminated but the vapor hazard against personnel would persist. Add in follow on attacks with new or more agent and conventional ordnance and it just gets worse. Im sure this is another factor in the Soviet plan. Thank you. A NATO defeat on that scale, especially the British Army getting so bashed up, isn't easy to write. part of me wants to see a miracle pulled off! But the story comes first. To be fair, it is only the one Dutch brigade: the rest of their I Corps, like so many other NATO units, is going hell for leather to get deployed. Attacks on the Netherlands will slow the Dutch down but by the time the Soviets reach their border, they'll have as much of their army out as possible... just in time to meet a Soviet tank army inbound. You're right on the effects of continued attacks on airbases. The chemicals and explosions, more than commando attacks, will be the main issue. Again and again the aircrews will have to go up but the ground personnel, far more numerous, will be facing just as much on the ground. Chemical contamination here will spread far and wide too when missiles go off-course. As per the war the Soviets are doing it, they'll just keeping hitting them until their tanks roll in. Very nasty for NATO and for the British especially given their limited forces. However as you say very, very bad for the population of west Germany with almost certainly worse is to come. It is only going to get worse! With more warning, a build-up of forces, even a small effort, would have changed everything here.
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