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Post by James G on Oct 12, 2019 19:33:16 GMT
105 – Fighters and air assaults
In the first hour of the war, Operation Elbe saw hundreds of Soviet and East German combat aircraft lift off from their many airbases and get into the early morning sky. There were so many of them, all tasked for a wide variety of missions. Command and control for this was a significant undertaking. Air defence sites were under instructions to not shoot them down too! This was something recognised as a real problem with so many friendly aircraft up yet the expectation being that at any moment, NATO aircraft would be joining them. SAM operators were meant to hold their fire unless hostile contacts were confirmed. Well… almost a dozen were shot down by those air defences, each one when returning home from offensive air missions and declared an attacking aircraft. Orders hadn’t been clearly followed when they were certainly supposed to. There were other losses of aircraft too not caused by enemy action nor friendly fire when mechanical issues and pilot error saw them crash close to returning to base.
Ogarkov had wanted all these aircraft in the sky because he wished for them to overawe NATO by their massed strength when the opening air attacks were made heading westwards. Aircraft on fighter missions were more in number than those making bomb runs and firing missiles too. The intention was that an airborne challenge to them by NATO fighters would be one which they would gravely regret. On paper, in pre-war planning, this seemed a brilliant idea. The loss of aircraft to friendly fire from air defences and all of those crashes which came about when forced to make this effort made it afterwards seem like not so clever. Moreover, few NATO aircraft were in the skies because their own airbases had just been hit with that immense strike with ballistic missiles. In the following hours, NATO would get their aircraft up. By this point, while there were still many Soviet and East German jets up, there weren’t as many as there had been beforehand. There were a lot of them back on the ground with changes of aircrews and urgent maintenance being undertaken. Those which were flying by then didn’t have the weight of numbers which they earlier had.
The opening air activity did see a lot achieved though. There were NATO fighters engaged – those either in the air ahead of the missile strikes or those who managed to get off the ground in the face of that – in the sky to engage when Ogarkov’s forces had the numbers. Of more importance, his aircraft made a large number of strikes against NATO targets on the ground. Many of those garrisons which had either just been hit with explosions or been ‘slimed’ with chemicals were bombed. NATO airbases were generally further back from the Inner-German Border than the garrisons were, long an aspect of NATO war plans so as to better defend them, but missions were flown against them despite the long flights far into enemy territory. It was correctly judged on this point that there would be limited air opposition and also that there was an unparallel opportunity to catch NATO as it woke up in a panic. As was the case with the ballistic missile strikes, these air attacks caught those targeted in the mist of major activity to get their aircraft in the sky. Attacking aircraft did massive damage to facilities and also hit plenty aircraft on the ground: with the latter though, initial reports on the number of those would quickly shown to be grossly inflated once NATO got its own air strikes going later in the morning.
Unlike the missile strikes, the air attacks did little to hit civilian infrastructure through West Germany and beyond. Their focus was on military targets in the main. Still, there were some attacks on what were decided to be dual-use facilities which NATO would soon be trying to make use of including many airports known to be the entry points for military reinforcements which they would be attempting in the coming days to bring in from afar towards the battlefield. Other facilities weren’t on the target list not because Ogarkov’s planning staffs had any qualms about hitting them and causing civilian casualties but because there was an intention for bridges, rail links ports and un-bombed airports to be made use of soon enough by themselves… when Soviet tanks got to them.
Friendly fighter cover was there too to help allow for the surprise assaults via air and sea to take place in NATO’s rear to succeed. Four large operations were undertaken not long after the war erupted along with several smaller ones. Neither of this were anything more than a few thousand men landing at isolated spots but they were sent to seize control of certain areas within West Germany to allow for Operation Elbe to see victory quickly come. Each was a risky mission undertaken by valuable forces. Well-trained and well-armed units were sent out on their own, put in a more dangerous situation than anyone else involved in going into enemy territory this early in the war.
Bremen Airport lay south of that city, on the western side of the Lower Weser. Heavily-laden Soviet Army helicopters arrived first and disgorged riflemen in and around the facility. This airport wasn’t one hit by either ballistic missiles nor air raids ahead of them. It was almost at once taken completely intact due to the lack of any defenders: West German reservists had yet to be mobilised to deploy here as in wartime defensive plans for them to do so. The lead battalion brought in on those Hook and Hip helicopters was soon joined by the rest of the DShV formation to which they were assigned, the 83rd Landing–assault Brigade. An airlift commenced where Cub and Cock transport planes started arriving. This airlift included armoured vehicles and artillery as well as riflemen. The mission wasn’t just to take and hold the airport but for the 83rd Brigade to spread out through Bremen. They were to secure the road and rail crossings over the Weser here. NATO troops were expected to soon turn up to fight them. Bremen was quickly going to become a battlefield and the DShV here would face quite the opposition.
Another big airmobile operation was the one to seize Hanau Army Airfield. This was a US Army aviation base on the northern side of the Main River. Strong opposition was expected and there were those among Ogarkov’s staff who doubled that the operation would be successful despite the quality of the force employed. This was the 35th Guards Landing–assault Brigade, a highly regarded DShV unit. The helicopters came in first, depositing riflemen and behind them came transport aircraft. American fighters got into the stream of those defenceless propeller-driven aircraft though. F-16s out of Hahn AFB were already airborne when their Rhineland base was hit by Soviet missiles and they’d been directed eastwards. They came upon enemy air activity without knowing the projected landing site of those transports but attacked them nonetheless: they were the enemy. A poor show was put up by defending MiGs and the F-16s opened fire on the smaller Cubs and bigger Cocks. Other transports turned back for home rather than press-on, unaware that the Americans were already out of missiles and cannon shells too. Hanau wasn’t taken. The attacking Soviet force met too much resistance from the Americans on the ground – men from aviation and artillery units fought as infantry – and there was no immediate reinforcement. Other NATO aircraft and then stronger ground forces soon enough would turn up to pound the last of the stubborn resistance put up by the 35th Guards Brigade’s lead battalion. The defeat feared here was to become a reality soon enough.
Battalion-sized units of the DShV made smaller operations with fewer helicopters and transport aircraft. Their tasks were still important though. Ogarkov wanted each of those to succeed just as much as the Bremen and Hanau operations. It was a matter of available resources though which saw the lesser number of troops used. Celle, where there was a West German Army airfield and also sat at a communications junction, was assaulted by one battalion; another was sent to the town of Hameln where they landed to the west in open ground and then moved to secure bridges over the Weser from what was effectively the rear. Fulda was another air assault operation, one which saw the Soviets put men into the middle of the Fulda Gap. Those here would quickly find that they’d landed in the vipers nest with the Americans and West Germans eager to come at them from all sides as soon as possible. Coming out of Czechoslovakia, two battalions commenced their missions not very far from the border with West Germany. They took several natural chokepoints in the Bavarian Forest where access for Soviet ground forces due to come over the frontier could be stopped by defenders holding them. Company groups were scattered about though there was still a battalion structure with their operational deployments in terms of where they were clustered.
East German paratroopers went into action to seize Schleswig Airbase. Just the one company of the 40th Air Assault Regiment conducted a parachute assault while everyone else came in via airlift. Unlike their DShV counterparts, they had no armour of their own to support them but their opposition wasn’t that significant in numbers nor overall capability. They had the airbase quickly in their hands after a short fight with West German security troops and also established a presence nearby where the autobahn linking Hamburg to Denmark ran as well. Only once all objectives were secure did outside reinforcement come, including armour. The East Germans had been used to secure an entry point for the Soviet’s 138th Tank Regiment. T-62 tanks and BTR-60 armoured personnel carriers – far different equipment from the BMD-1s and BTR-Ds that the DShV operated – arrived on multiple flights coming into Schleswig: it was an independent unit trained for the airlift mission and they would quickly spread far from their airhead opened for them. Schleswig was a naval airbase where Tornado-IDS maritime strike-bombers with the Marineflieger were stationed. It had not been hit in the Soviet missile attacks nor bombed ahead of the assault either. As to those aircraft, they were captured (some intact, others destroyed by the West Germans in a desperate effort) and not available over the Baltic where they really could have been made use of, especially in Kiel Bay.
An amphibious operation was conducted there in the nearby Kiel Bay. Soviet marines with the 336th Guards Naval Infantry Brigade had sailed through the early hours aboard Baltic Fleet vessels which had taken then from their exercise/staging areas on the East German coast into West Germany. Helicopters lifted some marines while others would come in on landing craft. The Naval Infantry brought their own tanks, armoured vehicles and helicopters too: they were a fully capable independent all-arms force. The landings were conducted around Eckernforde, to the north of both Kiel and where the Kiel Canal ran. Eckernforde was a harbour town where the West Germans had a naval base for half of the force of their Baltic-assigned submarines. The Naval Infantry fought against enemy efforts to hold them off, meeting stronger resistance than expected. The West Germans managed to conduct many demolitions to facilities and disable several in-port submarines too less they be captured. They were unable to stop the 336th Guards Brigade in the end though. Eckernforde fell into Soviet hands and there was a link-up made with those East Germans and the Soviet tanks operating out of Schleswig. The invading forces had many post-seizure missions to achieve and that including erecting defences. They would need to hurry with that: NATO would in the coming hours recognise the threat posed to physical connections with Denmark by the presence of the Naval Infantry here and come at them with all that they could muster. The fighting here was far from over.
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Post by stevep on Oct 13, 2019 9:52:03 GMT
Congrats at reaching 150k words, James G!!! Good updates; some things are bound to go wrong with the Soviets' plan, as shown here, and they will go wrong through the first day... The plan is so complicated that bits and pieces will go wrong everywhere. NATO isn't going to sit on its behind scared either. Still, enough weight of force going forward will be enough to do a heck of a lot. James Had the Soviets considered that with a massive ballistic attack on Europe accompanying widespread terrorist attacks to cause disruption and confusion that someone in NATO might have mistaken it for having a nuclear element? In which case things could go very badly very quickly. Given their numerical edge and the limitations in NATOs staying power due to inadequate logistics which I remember being discussed in another thread its likely that most of Europe would fall anyway. Its just going to be a lot quicker here, especially with so much allied stuff in the ME. Hence the 1st big decision is what does Paris do when Soviet conventional forces reach the French border? And if that includes tactical nukes are the Soviets going to be stupid enough to escalate further?
On Kohl I was thinking that with his wife murdered in front of him and his country invaded by a sneak attack, especially given that makes clear the 'diplomatic' approaches were a feint to mislead the west he would be out for blood but the shock, including his wife's death could cause a response of despair or apathy I suppose.
On Whitelaw I had forgotten he was in the Lord's by then which is a pity.
Of course as well as the attack on land in central Europe there will be others elsewhere and actions at sea. I wonder what's going to happen in the ME and will the Soviets launch other attacks on Israel to draw them into the war as 'allies' of the west to try and detach the Arabs?
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Yep, on radar screens it would have looked like one indeed. The missiles were fast though. Those ones on a ballistic arc will be hitting targets in a few minutes. By then, it will be known it isn't nuclear. Still, a very risky thing to do. At some point in the conflict, someone is going to make the mistake of seeing something conventional as nuclear and things will go bad from there. The Rhine and the French will be an issue. I have ideas here but one of those won't be France suddenly going 'let's start a nuclear war' over this. That might not be agreeable to everyone reading but it's how the story will go. One thing France will certainly react over-the-top to is a clear effort at occupation. We'll see how things go at that point.The issue with Kohl will be coming up soon enough and I have some ideas there too. There will be a Soviet 'global reach' which includes the Middle East though there is a war plan to make this only Europe and the Middle East. Of course, keeping a war like this limited is going to be impossible.
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That was my point, that France will at least threaten a nuclear response when Soviet forces reach the French border and don't stop, which it sounds like will be the case. Frankly that wouldn't be a mistake, except on the Soviet side but that or a successful occupation of Britain, is when things are likely to go nuclear.
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Post by stevep on Oct 13, 2019 10:01:02 GMT
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Given the size of the attack and the Soviet attitude to losses I would say that a dozen a/c lost to friendly fire would be considered pretty trivial. They may be less happy with this meaning a lot of a/c on the ground rearming when NATO is able to strike back however.
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Post by hussar01 on Oct 13, 2019 14:05:28 GMT
Great update and love this new twist to the WW3 tale. And out of the blue strike. Though with chemical weapons already deployed, tough to see how if things go real bad for the allies the nukes do not come out to play. The out of thr blue will create seething anger amongst the allies to the point the wish to nuke to the stone age will be simmering in the background.
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Post by James G on Oct 13, 2019 15:27:27 GMT
The plan is so complicated that bits and pieces will go wrong everywhere. NATO isn't going to sit on its behind scared either. Still, enough weight of force going forward will be enough to do a heck of a lot. Yep, on radar screens it would have looked like one indeed. The missiles were fast though. Those ones on a ballistic arc will be hitting targets in a few minutes. By then, it will be known it isn't nuclear. Still, a very risky thing to do. At some point in the conflict, someone is going to make the mistake of seeing something conventional as nuclear and things will go bad from there. The Rhine and the French will be an issue. I have ideas here but one of those won't be France suddenly going 'let's start a nuclear war' over this. That might not be agreeable to everyone reading but it's how the story will go. One thing France will certainly react over-the-top to is a clear effort at occupation. We'll see how things go at that point.The issue with Kohl will be coming up soon enough and I have some ideas there too. There will be a Soviet 'global reach' which includes the Middle East though there is a war plan to make this only Europe and the Middle East. Of course, keeping a war like this limited is going to be impossible.
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That was my point, that France will at least threaten a nuclear response when Soviet forces reach the French border and don't stop, which it sounds like will be the case. Frankly that wouldn't be a mistake, except on the Soviet side but that or a successful occupation of Britain, is when things are likely to go nuclear.
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Oh, I see. We are in agreement on that point. James Given the size of the attack and the Soviet attitude to losses I would say that a dozen a/c lost to friendly fire would be considered pretty trivial. They may be less happy with this meaning a lot of a/c on the ground rearming when NATO is able to strike back however. Steve It's a bad start on that issue of friendly fire. It will only get worse too. The Soviet Air Force will have a bad start to the war, being asked to do too much and all at the behest of Soviet Army planners who are making the ultimate decisions. Great update and love this new twist to the WW3 tale. And out of the blue strike. Though with chemical weapons already deployed, tough to see how if things go real bad for the allies the nukes do not come out to play. The out of thr blue will create seething anger amongst the allies to the point the wish to nuke to the stone age will be simmering in the background. Thank you. Oh, nukes will come in. It's just how and when. As the Soviets use their surprise to great effect, that only makes that certain as NATO ends up more and more on the back foot!
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Post by James G on Oct 13, 2019 15:30:55 GMT
106 – Tear down this wall
Back on June 12th, on the second day of Iraq’s war with its neighbours which spun into the global conflict that it had now become, President Reagan had been in West Berlin. He’d kept a scheduled appearance in that city but afterwards held unplanned meetings with leaders of NATO countries to secure support for the defence of the Persian Gulf against Rashid’s ambitions for complete dominance there. Reagan had given a speech in front of the Brandenburg Gate when in the city. During the speech, the US president had called upon Chairman Ligachev to ‘tear down this wall’. He’d pointed towards the Brandenburg Gate behind him with the Berlin Wall in between.
On the morning on August 23rd, Reagan got his wish… sort of, anyway.
Operation Zentrum (Centre) commenced as East German and Soviet forces moved to take the city. They came through the Berlin Wall where they struck. Crossing points were made use of as well forced entrance made into West Berlin via sections of the Wall built not as strong as other portions for such a purpose long envisioned as this. The Wall wasn’t a concrete barrier all the way around either. As it ran through the centre of the divided city it was, and that was the case elsewhere too, but there were sections where the Wall was just wire fencing. In addition to going through the Wall, there were assaults made over it using helicopters to land deep within West Berlin. Attacking forces came from all directions, from staging sites near and far. Command for Zentrum was in East German hands. Their IV Corps made the assault with a three-star general the senior officer. He had a Soviet deputy though and the Soviet Army had attached forces to the IV Corps for this mission. In all, there were thirty thousand plus attackers. They would be opposed by close to twelve thousand defenders: American, British & French soldiers as well as armed West German policemen. It was a surprise assault though was hardly going to be without bloodshed.
The Grenztruppen were first over the Wall. East German border guards assigned to the West Berlin area were numerous and had all been brought under the control of IV Corps. Assault groups were formed for the many different regiments surrounding West Berlin and they went forward. In places they opened up the recognised crossing points wider than they were for the entry of East German and Soviet armoured forces and elsewhere they took down sections of the Wall itself. At the famous Checkpoint Charlie, the Grenztruppen took American soldiers there under fire and there was soon fighting at other locations. RAF Gatow was a British airfield in their sector of West Berlin. It was located on the far western side, right up against the fence that was there instead of concrete. Grenztruppen soldiers attacked here, acting as an infantry force when going up against shocked but fast-to-fight British personnel as they sought to take Gatow. Their activities all around the edges of West Berlin woke up the military garrisons inside yet also provided cover for the incoming main attack.
There had been a border crossing point at the Brandenburg Gate (not through it but very close by) that had only been open for one day back in 1961 before it was closed for good. The Soviets reopened it now. Grenztruppen engineers provided access for a flood of armour which went through. The 6th Guards Motor Rifle Brigade came out of East Berlin’s Mitte district where they had spent several hours massing and then into West Berlin through here. Tanks, infantry vehicles, self-propelled artillery and thousands of men started moving forward. They went straight into West Berlin, following the road through the Tiergarten. This was the British sector of the city, with the French to the north and the Americans to the south. The orders for the Soviet brigade were to reach the Kaiserdamm Bridge near to the infamous Olympic Stadium where they would link up with the East Germans coming the other way. Should their comrades not be there, the 6th Guards Brigade would keep going until they did, through Spandau all the way to the other side of West Berlin if necessary. Behind them, East German troops with one of their ceremonial units – they were riflemen today though – moved in to secure the immediate area near to the Brandenburg Gate where on the western side there was the ruins of the Reichstag and further on there were other places to be taken by them for propaganda purposes. The Grenztruppen were here too. Part of the Wall was down but it wasn’t open to non-military personnel to go through. West Berlin was being ‘liberated’ yet that liberation didn’t include sudden free movement!
The East German’s 1st Motorised Infantry Division was the largest single formation under IV Corps command. It was broken down into three regiment groups for the Zentrum mission and there was too the pre-war removal of the division’s tank regiment for operations far away from West Berlin. There were still tanks with the remaining regiments though (their own battalions), joining riflemen with their armoured vehicles and also divisional assets. One of those regiments moved through opened crossing points out of Pankow in East Berlin through the Wall into the French sector. The objective was to reach Tegel Airport, though they were expecting to meet Soviet forces already there. Another regiment struck into the southwest of West Berlin. They came up from Potsdam (where the divisional headquarters was located) and through the Checkpoint Bravo crossing: the autobahn link from here ran to Helmstedt-Marienborn. This was the edge of the American sector of West Berlin. Finally, the third regiment went into the British sector, striking into Spandau with the intention of achieving that link-up with the Soviets coming from the Brandenburg Gate.
The Stasi operated their own combat force in the form of the Felix Dzerzhinsky Guard Regiment. Faced with any serious NATO opposition on the battlefield, they would be in trouble because the regiment wasn’t a complete all-arms force. However, that wasn’t the task given to them when Zentrum begun. A large part of the regiment went through Checkpoint Charlie and the nearby smaller crossing points at Oberbaumbruke & Prinzenstrasse too. Their entry was made into an area of the city where civilian resistance from ‘troublemakers’ in West Berlin was most expected. This was Kreuzberg, an economically deprived neighbourhood where many swatters, immigrants and drug addicts had long made their presence felt in defiance of West Berlin’s civil authority. Now the Stasi were here. This also put them near to Tempelhof Airport too, a facility which US forces could be found. There Felix Dzerzhinsky Guard Regiment would see a different kind of fight with them than they would get from the nearby civilians.
At Tegel Airport, where regular East German troops were advancing towards, the Soviets put a battalion of the DShV airmobile troops into there. There was quickly much fighting here from the French and the Soviets had a lot of difficulty. They should have struck here the very moment the attack begun, rather than delaying the attack. Several helicopters were brought down before they could unload their cargoes of riflemen and the French managed to get tanks here fast. When those East Germans from the regiment of their 1st Division showed up, they’d been rescuing their allies from near defeat.
Other French troops as well as the Americans and the British put up a fight for West Berlin when it was invaded. Each country had a brigade-sized force within the city. They moved out of garrisons as fast as they could and spread out through the sectors following defensive plans long-established to try to hold off an attack. The British, in the middle, were caught in the worst position. The Soviets hit them from the front and the East Germans came from behind. Three infantry battalions were joined by a squadron of tanks. There was no air cover. Still the British fought but they were in a bad position following the Soviet brigade managing to get right through the centre as it did. The East Germans would make that link up with them too, much further ahead and later than planned. That connection, once established, made the British position untenable though. It also saw the city cut in half as well.
Still, fighting would go on. Efforts were made to drive the East Germans and Soviets back within all three sectors which the trio of NATO brigades fought in. The Americans and the French were each called upon to give aid to the British and did that. They had their own fights to deal with but understood the risk to the whole joint position if they couldn’t help the British reopen the split enforced down the middle. Elsewhere in the city, West Berlin police were fighting too. They engaged in battle with the invaders from generally fixed positions: the NATO troops had tried to seek space within open areas of the city where possible rather than in dense urban terrain. The police didn’t have that choice to make. They lacked mobility and firepower. They fought where they were, around stations and elsewhere, taking huge losses as they did so.
West Berlin wasn’t hit with missile strikes nor big air attacks. There was the use of armed helicopters and then artillery too though. This all caused a great deal of destruction and an immense loss of life. The Sunday morning in the city was one of utter terror for those who lived here. They were long on the frontlines of the Cold War but that war had now gone hot. The explosions from heavy weapons came with the fighting between tanks and riflemen. Civilians were caught in the crossfire. Many ran away from it as others tried to shelter in-place: there were some, confused or in terror, who ran right through the exchanges of gunfire. West Berlin’s citizens had another thing to worry about too. Those in Kreuzberg first met their new rulers but elsewhere, as more and more of civilians ended up behind the frontlines, the beginnings of the ‘new order’ were being imposed. The city was being liberated supposedly but that would mean the implementation of totalitarianism. Martial law was being declared and there was a curfew in effect. East German riot police moved in to enforce this. The Stasi and the KGB would be right behind them soon enough, keeping back from the ongoing fighting rather than getting close. They would be looking for certain people to detain for the purposes of ensuring ‘public security’.
Meanwhile, the fighting went on. Zentrum wasn’t going to be complete in just one morning. There was still much that the invaders had to achieve and the defenders still had a lot of fight in them. Around them, the holes in the Berlin Wall had plenty of Grenztruppen around them. It hadn’t been torn down, just opened up a bit, and it wasn’t coming down anytime soon.
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Post by James G on Oct 13, 2019 15:35:10 GMT
The majority of this Zentrum plan is taken from the plans exposed long after the Wall fell. I've only changed a few things (removing some East German units and attaching some extra Soviet & East German ones). This is also an attack with no mobilisation of the East Germans civilian militia too as the war plans called for. Still, Western forces in the city were outnumbered three-to-one. The plan is visualised mainly as I have it here www.escalation1985.com/updates-blog/2018/3/12/nationale-volksarmee-in-ww3 , at the bottom of this page. (The image at the top about other elements of the East German Army isn't going to be how things are in this war though)
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Post by lordroel on Oct 13, 2019 15:42:36 GMT
The majority of this Zentrum plan is taken from the plans exposed long after the Wall fell. I've only changed a few things (removing some East German units and attaching some extra Soviet & East German ones). This is also an attack with no mobilisation of the East Germans civilian militia too as the war plans called for. Still, Western forces in the city were outnumbered three-to-one. The plan is visualised mainly as I have it here www.escalation1985.com/updates-blog/2018/3/12/nationale-volksarmee-in-ww3 , at the bottom of this page. (The image at the top about other elements of the East German Army isn't going to be how things are in this war though) Nice link James G, reminds me of this: Maps: East German Attack Plans for World War III
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Post by James G on Oct 13, 2019 15:46:54 GMT
The majority of this Zentrum plan is taken from the plans exposed long after the Wall fell. I've only changed a few things (removing some East German units and attaching some extra Soviet & East German ones). This is also an attack with no mobilisation of the East Germans civilian militia too as the war plans called for. Still, Western forces in the city were outnumbered three-to-one. The plan is visualised mainly as I have it here www.escalation1985.com/updates-blog/2018/3/12/nationale-volksarmee-in-ww3 , at the bottom of this page. (The image at the top about other elements of the East German Army isn't going to be how things are in this war though) Nice link James G , reminds me of this: Maps: East German Attack Plans for World War IIII thought I'd seen that somewhere here but couldn't find it! As said, other Volksarmee plans will not being following those depicted though.
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Post by lordroel on Oct 13, 2019 15:48:40 GMT
I thought I'd seen that somewhere here but couldn't find it! As said, other Volksarmee plans will not being following those depicted though. Nor would they work as plans tend not to work out as planned.
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Post by lordbyron on Oct 13, 2019 18:42:42 GMT
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Post by amir on Oct 14, 2019 2:11:13 GMT
Great update about Berlin!
One item trained regularly in the US Berlin Brigade during the late 1980s was the “50k raid”. At least at a tactical level Berlin was viewed less as a fortification and more as a base to launch limited patrols from. In this concept, US light infantry platoons would exfiltrate from Berlin into the countryside to raid SAM sites, ambush convoys, and provide firepower for SF operations all with the (probably illusory) promise of eventual extraction by Corps Aviation during the counterattack. 50k was the distance moved between each raid and the patrol base. Not sure how well this would have worked in practice, since the Grenzetruppen wartime role was to actively prevent infiltration by SF/LRS/Raiding Forces, but I’d imagine a few platoons could get away and cause a little trouble before being hunted down. This concept came in during the late 80s and supplemented the US Berlin Brigade’s very focused program of training in Fighting in Built Up Areas. It’s safe to say that outside of certain specialist units, the allied Berlin Brigades were probably the worlds best FIBUA practitioners throughout their existence.
A bolt from the blue attack in Berlin is a huge potential risk to NATO Intelligence. Berlin was a critical intelligence outpost, and as such some very sensitive te information and exploitable personnel could fall into the KGB ‘s and STASI’s hands. NSA Field Station Berlin performed extensive electronic surveillance inside the Iron Curtain- they can destroy the equipment, not sure how the potentially high value prisoner personnel get out, if they do. In addition you’ve got a full retinue of HUMINT networks handled from Berlin. Files will probably be destroyed, but agency handlers are high value prisoners who can be captured and exploited.
Finally, Berlin is a hostage situation waiting to happen. For the Allied nations there are about 12000 Military personnel fighting and nearly 50000 non-combatant and dependent personnel who stand to fall quickly into Soviet or East German custody. At a tactical level, this is powerful leverage against the Berlin Garrison to seek terms quickly. At an operational level, the continued safety of Berlin is a hedge against the deployment of Allied theatre nuclear forces. Simply tuck your critical forces in close and dare the west to accept the level of damage to their civilians required to strike you. At strategic level, the safety of Berlin and cities in similar circumstances can be used to force NATO allies to capitulate rather than risk their civilian populations (a la Hannover in Red Army); every country choosing to “save” a hostage city is one more nail in NATOs coffin and the US assessment of the value of the fight in Europe (not being tied to a vital interest like Middle Eastern oil).
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Post by amir on Oct 14, 2019 2:26:31 GMT
Another piece on the Berlin Brigades. The US, French, and probably British all had a d3cent sized SF presence in Berlin. The US established the 39th SF det, later SF detachment Berlin specifically to conduct special reconnaissance and unconventional warfare in and from Berlin, it’s members maintained a full, civilian cover and would likely be involved in organizing exfiltration of allied personnel, stay behind spotters, and resistance groups,
While not SF elements, the US infantry battalions in Berlin had very well trained scout and sniper teams, who specialized in the identification and removal of key enemy leaders and had prepared a system of hides, firing positions, and concealed routes to enable them to conduct a protracted fight. Their equipment also included some specialized weapons and gear tailored for their unique battlefield (SR25 rifle, suppressors, Litton Nightscope). In addition, the allied infantry in Berlin retained recoilless rifles long after they had left general issue to offset the short engagement distances expected in an urban fight.
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Post by James G on Oct 14, 2019 19:17:45 GMT
I think I read some of that before. I'll read some more. Thanks. More incoming: global warfare. Great update about Berlin! One item trained regularly in the US Berlin Brigade during the late 1980s was the “50k raid”. At least at a tactical level Berlin was viewed less as a fortification and more as a base to launch limited patrols from. In this concept, US light infantry platoons would exfiltrate from Berlin into the countryside to raid SAM sites, ambush convoys, and provide firepower for SF operations all with the (probably illusory) promise of eventual extraction by Corps Aviation during the counterattack. 50k was the distance moved between each raid and the patrol base. Not sure how well this would have worked in practice, since the Grenzetruppen wartime role was to actively prevent infiltration by SF/LRS/Raiding Forces, but I’d imagine a few platoons could get away and cause a little trouble before being hunted down. This concept came in during the late 80s and supplemented the US Berlin Brigade’s very focused program of training in Fighting in Built Up Areas. It’s safe to say that outside of certain specialist units, the allied Berlin Brigades were probably the worlds best FIBUA practitioners throughout their existence. A bolt from the blue attack in Berlin is a huge potential risk to NATO Intelligence. Berlin was a critical intelligence outpost, and as such some very sensitive te information and exploitable personnel could fall into the KGB ‘s and STASI’s hands. NSA Field Station Berlin performed extensive electronic surveillance inside the Iron Curtain- they can destroy the equipment, not sure how the potentially high value prisoner personnel get out, if they do. In addition you’ve got a full retinue of HUMINT networks handled from Berlin. Files will probably be destroyed, but agency handlers are high value prisoners who can be captured and exploited. Finally, Berlin is a hostage situation waiting to happen. For the Allied nations there are about 12000 Military personnel fighting and nearly 50000 non-combatant and dependent personnel who stand to fall quickly into Soviet or East German custody. At a tactical level, this is powerful leverage against the Berlin Garrison to seek terms quickly. At an operational level, the continued safety of Berlin is a hedge against the deployment of Allied theatre nuclear forces. Simply tuck your critical forces in close and dare the west to accept the level of damage to their civilians required to strike you. At strategic level, the safety of Berlin and cities in similar circumstances can be used to force NATO allies to capitulate rather than risk their civilian populations (a la Hannover in Red Army); every country choosing to “save” a hostage city is one more nail in NATOs coffin and the US assessment of the value of the fight in Europe (not being tied to a vital interest like Middle Eastern oil). Thank you. I've read before about the idea of using troops from West Berlin to go into hitting and strike out. Rail-lines ran around West Berlin and they would be important for the war effort. Detached SF could hide in sewers and such like to allow the war to pass over them and then go to work. It sounds very dangerous! I was thinking that thermite grenades would go into safes, but, yes, the Soviets would grab the people. They'd have a good idea on at least a few suspected Intel people and work from there. These prisoners wouldn't get POW rights and would be squeezed dry then dropped in a lonely hole. Civilian dependents isn't something I thought about! It is an idea I will use. I'm coming back to the fight for West Berlin within the week and do that. Red Army is something I have read many times and a lot of ideas will be taken from there indeed. Another piece on the Berlin Brigades. The US, French, and probably British all had a d3cent sized SF presence in Berlin. The US established the 39th SF det, later SF detachment Berlin specifically to conduct special reconnaissance and unconventional warfare in and from Berlin, it’s members maintained a full, civilian cover and would likely be involved in organizing exfiltration of allied personnel, stay behind spotters, and resistance groups, While not SF elements, the US infantry battalions in Berlin had very well trained scout and sniper teams, who specialized in the identification and removal of key enemy leaders and had prepared a system of hides, firing positions, and concealed routes to enable them to conduct a protracted fight. Their equipment also included some specialized weapons and gear tailored for their unique battlefield (SR25 rifle, suppressors, Litton Nightscope). In addition, the allied infantry in Berlin retained recoilless rifles long after they had left general issue to offset the short engagement distances expected in an urban fight. This is what I am thinking of using for the story when I return to West Berlin. The whole place is an occupiers nightmare and a great SF base. Elsewhere, if the Brits get their men to where they are meant to operate from in time, they will be doing this is parts of West Germany too. I'm sure other NATO countries will also have a go. Of course, Soviet firepower steamroller tactics will be employed and while they can blast every building in sight, they can't kill everyone. Gronzy showed us that.
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Post by James G on Oct 14, 2019 19:23:41 GMT
107 – Global reach
Operation Elbe was being undertaken by forces assigned to Marshal Ogarkov’s Western Strategic Direction. His headquarters had no input in what was happening elsewhere though where Soviet-led military operations were underway. Western–TVD only covered a particular portion of Europe too, far from all of it.
Military action was taking place in other areas of the Continent. Norway was struck at with the northern portions of this NATO member in Scandinavia attacked by air and missiles before the Soviets moved troops forward into battle. There was no aim to fully invade Norway though, taking over all or even a major part of the country. Instead, there was a limited incursion of ground forces following the distant strikes made against airbases – Andoya, Banak, Bardufoss and Bodo – and radar sites. There were few high-grade Soviet troop formations in the Arctic parts of the northwestern corner of the Soviet Union to make use of. Still, a couple of motor rifle regiments (fully-manned units taken from divisions which required mobilised reservists to be complete) moved against the border and would go over into Norway. They were to go no further than the Porsangerfjorden. Wartime plans for the defence of Norway by the Norwegians and their NATO allies called for a main defensive line to be much further to the west: the Lyngenfjorden Line as part of Fortress Norway. There was a brigade of Soviet Naval Infantry as well as some DShV airmobile units which formed the wartime 55th Army Corps with those motor rifle units (which used MT-LBs as their main armoured vehicle) and they were ordered to establish a security zone on Norwegian soil, not march on Narvik. The motor rifle troops began the ground invasion after the airmobile units had gone in.
Not fully invading Norway was all about pragmatism. It would require more available forces than they were available and was considered something to be rather costly in terms of expected losses. For a Soviet victory to win here it would require making use of Finnish and Swedish airspace – against the will of both – and likely see a war with each of those countries too, probably at a point when Soviet forces were stretched out and exposed. In Moscow, they’d decided to leave those two nations neutral. This meant that they wouldn’t have to fight either and also deny them as NATO allies. The idea was that once the Soviets had finished with Western Europe, Norway would be fast to see sense and come to the negotiating table. There was the expectation that while the Americans would like to make use of the country as a base of operations against the Soviet mainland itself, this couldn’t come to pass due to what was happening elsewhere. However, on the day before the war began, entry was made into Norwegian waters of a US Navy surface action group. They had one of their battleships, USS Wisconsin, along with a flotilla of escorts too, active in the Norwegian Sea. In a hastily arranged attack, bombers with Soviet Naval Aviation went after the Wisconsin when the attack went in against Norway. Anti-ship cruise missiles from Backfire bombers hit the Americans and the Soviets believed they’d either sunk that warship or at least badly damaged it. They had achieved neither.
Bear missile bombers, carrying bigger payloads, flew from airbases in the western half of the Soviet Union and made launches of their missiles when above Hungary. The cruise missiles went through Austrian airspace, avoiding Yugoslavia, and down over the Alps into Southern Europe. Italy came under fire first before Spain was also targeted. There were impacts against an American garrison for a paratrooper unit of theirs in the north of Italy though the majority of the targets were Italian and Spanish airbases & naval bases throughout their countries. These were all expected to be made use of by NATO in wartime and hit now. Both conventional and chemical warheads were used. Some of those missiles went off-course, hitting civilian areas too.
There were more of those big Bear bombers which also stayed in friendly airspace without flying directly into the face of the enemy. These ones made launches of missiles when over the Black Sea. Greece and Turkey were hit with a focus solely on military sites. Some cruise missiles went further though, overflying Turkey and coming out over the Mediterranean to strike at the British bases on Cyprus as well as hitting Israel too. Greece and Turkey were soon to see direct invasions made against them. Bulgarian and Soviet forces out of Bulgaria as well as Soviet ones staging out of the Caucasus were going to be entering each. Like was the case with Norway, the objective wasn’t to fully conqueror the two. That would be a big task, meaning the commitment of more forces than the Soviets had available when they were attacking in Western Europe. What they intended to do was to pound each and imitate full invasions. That meant that the Bulgarians were fully involved in going onto Greece heading for the shores of the Aegean – as well as making a smaller effort on the Bulgarian-Turkish border – while the Soviets put paratroopers into the Istanbul area as well as their Caucasus based cross-border invasion. The VDV force, a full division, fighting around Turkey’s biggest city were seeking to open up the Turkish Straits. They’d be joined by Naval Infantry out of the Crimea making a supporting amphibious landing soon enough. The Battle of Istanbul was already underway though and what a fight this was to be distraction or no distraction!
The war in Europe had broken out because of incidents of armed conflict between the superpowers in the Middle East. Accidents those incidents might have been, but what came next was deliberate. Soviet commanders wanted to use nuclear weapons here. They protested at the orders which had come that they weren’t to. The odds were stacked against them, they said, and to not use such a weapon meant that there was the very real chance that they would quickly lose this fight spread throughout the region. Though they wouldn’t know it, that wish was mirrored by senior American commanders following the initial outbreak of open war here. They too wanted to employ such weapons with the belief that with the war raging in Europe about to demand full attention, the United States would be defeated in the Middle East otherwise. As the war went onwards past the opening strikes, those on each side would continue to push for authorisation for nuclear attacks and prepare their forces for the moment that permission was sure to come. If what happened wasn’t as deadly as it was without them, each side was readying themselves to hit the other with the ultimate weapons of war with every effort made to pressure those above into allowing for their employment. These commanders would get their wish soon enough, just not at the start of World War Three.
In the eastern Med., the Soviet Black Sea Fleet fired first. They’d been here since they came through the Turkish Straits back at the beginning of the month (unless the Turks were beaten, they weren’t going home!) and already struck against Israel covertly. When hitting the Americans, they actually went early too. It was only a matter of a few minutes but it was ahead of the allotted time. Missile launches were made from multiple warships of the Fifth Squadron firing on the Sixth Fleet. The large cruiser Slava led the attack, firing its arsenal of Sandbox anti-ship weapons. Those warships not launching had come together to make the surface units of the Fifth Squadron almost one vessel with as many defensive weapons as possible facing outwards expecting retaliation. Meanwhile, the US Navy defended itself, shooting at the incoming missiles as well as maritime reconnaissance aircraft (flying from Libya, up from behind them) acting as stand-off guidance for them. USS Saratoga was hit but by only two of the many incoming missiles. It was still a terrible morning for the Sixth Fleet with many casualties and the aircraft carrier knocked out of action for the time being. It could have been worse though: nuclear warheads of those missiles would have wiped her and all those who sailed in her out in a flash. The French Navy lost a carrier soon afterwards. The Fifth Squadron had submarines assigned and one of those put a trio of torpedoes into the FNS Foch. Herculean efforts were made to save her but the flooding was too much. She went down a hundred miles off Lebanon. The Foch had been sent here to ty to keep the (relative) peace but went down in war. Most of her crew were saved: that wouldn’t have been the case had a nuke been employed.
In the Persian Gulf, the battleship USS Missouri was targeted by Soviet aircraft flying from Iraq. Just as was the case with the Wisconsin off Norway, the Missouri survived. She was hit several times though, taking significant damage: again, a nuclear attack would have seen her lost. There was still fight in the Mighty Mo though. Working with other US Navy ships, and as many friendly Coalition assets in the Gulf as possible, there was work underway at once to hit back against the Soviets with their Eighth Squadron. The Americans knew where the Soviets had their Kirov-class battle-cruiser Frunze. Before the day was out, every effort would be thrown at sinking her when she was trying to hide in Iranian waters. Two carriers out in the Arabian Sea were targeted too. USS Carl Vinson was hit a total of five times when Shipwreck missiles from that Oscar-class submarine long trailing her struck home. One of those was a dud but the four others weren’t. The Vinson went up in flames and would be soon lost to those fires. As to her attacker, the K-206 would be sunk within the hour by a US Navy submarine when making a run for the expanse of the Indian Ocean. Backfire bombers carrying missiles overflew Iran from their temporary bases in the Caucasus. There was a delay with their attack though when there was a close-call with the Iranians who came really close to engaging them with their Tomcats. In Tehran, Khomeini decided that Iran would fight as a co-belligerent alongside the Soviets but the decision was made late and there was thus that near ‘friendly fire’ incident before word got out that Soviet aircraft weren’t to be engaged far from previously agreed operational areas for them. Foxbat interceptors were with the Backfires – MiG-25s vs. F-14s would have made an interesting fight – but the airborne incident used up too much of their fuel; it was a mission that the Soviet Air Force had never wanted to fly alongside their Naval Aviation comrades and they’d found an excuse to avoid what came next. They wouldn’t make it out over the waters of the Arabian Sea and thus the Backfires were all on their own. USS Constellation, who the Soviets were after, had her own Tomcats up and they were in an ambush position after being directed towards the approaching attackers by an AWACS. They too could have faced the Foxbats in battle had the circumstances been right and been in a good position to ambush them from three sides at once. It was just the bombers though. The US Navy pilots fired long-range Phoenix missiles before the Backfires launched their anti-ship missiles. Plenty of those big aircraft exploded in the sky while the others turned back. The Constellation escaped a sure-to-be deadly attack unscathed.
Soviet air units stationed in Iraq and Syria were right in the middle of their redeployment from the former country to the latter when the war began. They weren’t ready to launch attacks southwards against Coalition targets. They were told to strike regardless, especially since the US Navy was supposed to be wiped out in those other attacks. Efforts were made to launch missiles but also make bomb runs against multiple targets in many countries. Israel, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Arab Monarchies were all enemies. A poor showing was made. The Americans and their Coalition allies, plus the Israelis too, might not have been fully ready for World War Three but they were still in a strong position. Soviet aircraft were shot out of the sky, the majority before they could launch attacks. A raid by a Spetsnaz unit to destroy AWACS aircraft on the ground in Saudi Arabia – doing what had been done in West Germany – failed miserably and that left the Coalition with their airborne radar aircraft. They got them airborne and used them to blunt the Soviet strike. In the following hours, the E-3 Sentrys would too be involved in controlling the activities of both American and British aircraft which struck at the two remaining Soviet bases in Southern Iraq, the ones which had long been surrounded. Ar Rumaylah Airbase was bombed heavily ahead of a ground attack coming later by British Paras joined by Gurkhas. At Umm Qasr, where those rescued Soviet sailors from the sunken Admiral Spiridonov (the destroyer whose captain set into motion this whole war) had been taken too, the Naval Infantry unit there did as it was long prepared to and struck outwards against the US Marines. The Americans were taken aback by this, shocked that instead of curling up in defensive position the Soviets would attack outwards. It brought them out into the open though. Aircraft lined up in the skies over the Al Faw Peninsula to make bomb runs and more US Marines poured forward into the fight. The Soviets there were quickly on the back foot and in a whole world of hurt.
This global reach of the Soviet’s overseas deployed forces didn’t extend all across the world though. They had more military forces elsewhere but the decision taken in Moscow was to limit their war.
They made no attacks neither in the Americans, the rest of Asia nor in the Pacific. Strikes weren’t made out of Cuba nor from Vietnam; there was no Second Korean War launched nor were actions taken to hit Pearl Harbor, Alaska or anyone else in that oceanic region which at the beginning of the war lived up to its name.
The Politburo could impose their own restrictions on themselves all that they wanted. Pushed by the US Navy, the Americans would take the war to the Pacific to make it no longer peaceful. Had they heard of the Lehman Doctrine in the Kremlin? Boots on the ground it wouldn’t be in the Soviet Far East, but that long exposed coastline, plus the interior as far as the Americans could get too with their machines of war, were all going to see war come to them soon enough.
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