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Post by stevep on Sept 6, 2019 9:59:15 GMT
Iran getting in on the war will make the situation...interesting. Perhaps we'd see a three-way conflict, though IIRC Rashid was able to imrpove relations with Tehran somewhat. If Iran does get involved on Iraq's side, I don't think I MEF & XVIII Corps alone will be enough to get the job done.
I suspect an Iran-Iraq 'alliance' would be superficial at best and pretty unstable. Can't see any actual co-operation between the two because of mutual mistrust and hostility. Especially since Khomeini is still in charge in Iran and given how bad his ego problems were! More likely they just happen to be at war with common enemies. The Soviets will have close relations with both, albeit one sided in the Iraqi case especially and I suspect support both to divert resources from Europe but I'll be surprised if at any point Iranian and Iraqi forces are fighting alongside each other - at least without a lot of 'friendly fire' between the two.
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Post by James G on Sept 6, 2019 19:10:23 GMT
Iran getting in on the war will make the situation...interesting. Perhaps we'd see a three-way conflict, though IIRC Rashid was able to imrpove relations with Tehran somewhat. If Iran does get involved on Iraq's side, I don't think I MEF & XVIII Corps alone will be enough to get the job done. I'm thinking of independent Iranian actions. Relations are better than when at war though there is no friendship. Even without the Iranian threat, the Coalition is soon going to discover it needs more troops. Iran poses a different kind of treat too.
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Post by James G on Sept 6, 2019 19:12:25 GMT
Iran getting in on the war will make the situation...interesting. Perhaps we'd see a three-way conflict, though IIRC Rashid was able to imrpove relations with Tehran somewhat. If Iran does get involved on Iraq's side, I don't think I MEF & XVIII Corps alone will be enough to get the job done.
I suspect an Iran-Iraq 'alliance' would be superficial at best and pretty unstable. Can't see any actual co-operation between the two because of mutual mistrust and hostility. Especially since Khomeini is still in charge in Iran and given how bad his ego problems were! More likely they just happen to be at war with common enemies. The Soviets will have close relations with both, albeit one sided in the Iraqi case especially and I suspect support both to divert resources from Europe but I'll be surprised if at any point Iranian and Iraqi forces are fighting alongside each other - at least without a lot of 'friendly fire' between the two.
I agree with this. Should they be fighting in the same battlefield, friendly fire will be a high possibility.
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Post by James G on Sept 6, 2019 19:15:09 GMT
65 – The Second Battle of Riyadh
Soviet Foreign Minister Gromyko publicly blamed Saudi Arabia for the storming of its embassy in Riyadh and the murder of its diplomats plus civilians inside. It happened in their country and it was their people who had done this. The fault lay with the Saudis for what had been done, no one else. There would be a response, Gromyko added, and it would be one which would make Saudi Arabia understand the consequences of allowing such a thing to happen. There was a warning issued to other countries too: the Soviet Union would not sit idly by should the lives of their diplomats in their countries also come under threat. Of course, Gromyko wasn’t a fool. The fault didn’t lie with the Saudis and he knew that. It was the Ikhwan which had done this and the occupying Iraqis inside Riyadh had failed to stop them. Blaming either of them instead of the Saudis at this time wasn’t considered worthwhile in Moscow though. They were outraged at the slaughter of their diplomats and the burning of the embassy with a desire in the Kremlin to hit back. The only thing they could do at the minute was launch verbal attacks on Saudi Arabia though. Options were being considered for a different reaction but none of the proposals made in Moscow were deemed to be adequate. KGB Chairman Chebrikov briefed the Politburo on this Saudi fundamentalist extremist group which had sprung up in that besieged city. None of them liked what they heard. Those religious maniacs there were clearly out to make enemies of everyone. Names were given of the people supposedly at the top. Those listening were keen for such people to later meet justice, a justice delivered at Soviet hands too. Perhaps they would get their wish in time, perhaps not.
The Ikhwan were attracting attention elsewhere too, in another capital city. The United States was naturally very interested in what those people had done in Riyadh. Here in Washington, the president and his national security council were briefed on what was known about them. Despite their attack on the Soviet embassy, there was an expressed belief that they were in fact a Soviet creation: the finger was pointed at the KGB. Maybe the group had got out of hand or there had been a false flag attack where the KGB had hit the embassy without other elements of the Kremlin leadership knowing in advance. Paranoia some might have said but it wasn’t as if the Americans were babes in the wood when it came to Soviet ‘games’ like this when they’d happened before. That attack on the embassy there came at a similar time when it was strongly suspected that the Ikhwan had killed more than a dozen Americans outside of the occupied city too. There had been a CIA operation underway where an intelligence officer with a paramilitary background, joined by a Saudi spook as well, had been escorted close to the frontlines around Riyadh by a Green Berets A-Team. There was a meeting set with an Iraqi colonel who was going to covertly surrender and open the gates to the city to allow the Saudi Army to enter. Before the meeting took place, the team disappeared. A rescue attempt was mounted but only bodies were spotted from the air at the last known location of those Americans. Unidentified gunmen fired on the helicopters with an assortment of weapons before they themselves were taken under fire by what were confirmed as Iraqi troops. Those who had killed the American commandos and the CIA man were surely the Saudi resistance fighters that the United States had been becoming increasingly concerned about. They’d slaughtered Americans just like they had slaughtered Soviets.
It had been a month since the Iraqis had taken Riyadh. They’d held out when besieged afterwards and still refused to give in. King Fahd had previously been talked into starving them out but the attack on the Soviet embassy and then the several, independent disturbing reports coming out of the city about those gunmen were the impetus for him changing his mind. There were other factors too such as the weakness of the trapped Iraqis after such a long siege and the international humiliation of his occupied capital – oh, and there was the humanitarian factor too with his people trapped there: that was another thing on his mind, seemingly quite often last – that helped sway him. However, it was the Ikhwan that saw him issue orders for the city to be retaken. Casualties among his soldiers and civilians were expected plus too there was the damage expected. His allies were also unable to provide much help considering the assembling of the Coalition forces far away to the north. The rebellion in that city had to be strangled in its cradle though. Fahd wanted those extremists there wiped out. They worried him gravely and he wanted rid of them as quickly as possible. Orders went out to his troops around Riyadh, those not under Coalition control, to launch an attack.
Retake the city, they were told: the Second Battle of Riyadh thus commenced.
Saudi troops went for the airport first. It had already been made unusable following Coalition air attacks after the first battle for the city and then fighting directly on its outskirts. It was an open expanse of ground though, somewhere that the Saudis believed they could start an offensive through away from the urban areas where the Iraqis seemed to have set up defensive positions everywhere. The Egyptians had sent a tank battalion (direct from home, not removed from their forces on the Iraqi-Saudi border) and these tanks joined with Saudi ones as well as plenty of infantry in making the attack. Artillery and helicopter gunships joined in. The Iraqis put up a strong showing at first but onwards the attackers came. The rate of fire coming back at the Saudis and Egyptians was strong initially. It tempered off soon though until there was no more bullets, shells and rockets coming. The Iraqis had run out of ammunition!
Tanks rushed forward with infantry chasing after them. The airport fell into Saudi hands as the Iraqis threw up theirs. It wasn’t just this wrecked place that the Saudis were after though. Neither was it just the Iraqis here who were at the very limit of their ammunition. They’d been bluffing for a while and succeeded in that, but the game was now up. Throughout the city, as the Saudis moved onwards, they met devastating fire from the defenders but that was not for long. Realising what was going on, the Saudis were careful to draw fire to allow the Iraqis to use what they had up and then wait for the surrenders to come soon enough. Many, many Iraqi soldiers surrendered yet almost all of them did so once they had obeyed their orders and fought for as long as they feasibly could. Riyadh fell back into Saudi hands.
However, Fahd’s soldiers soon had a different opponent to face. The Ikhwan came out of their hiding places with their gunmen at the front of whipped-up mobs of civilians. Those extremists went after Iraqi troops from behind. They killed those they could and took their weapons. This was done as Saudi troops attacked from the front and it saw the resistance fighters have far more luck than they’d had before in doing this. They didn’t call it luck: it was the will of Allah. Prisoners taken were slaughtered too. Contact came between the Ikhwan and Saudi troops, in many cases the latter were alerted to their presence by surrendered Iraqis who were desperate to end up in Saudi custody than be massacred by the Ikhwan or the mobs that they led. Orders were given to the resistance from the Saudi troops for them to lay down their arms and profess allegiance to their king. The call came backwards that they were for Allah and the people: King Fahd had abandoned his god and the people. Shots followed shouts. Each side would claim the other struck first but each went into the eventual fights ready to kill the other.
The Saudis had the upper hand. They had the firepower and they were trained troops, all of them now veterans. However, the Ikhwan had the devotion to the cause and this was a city which they had been fighting in for some time. When the wave of fighting came, civilians were in the way. The resistance had survived Iraqi occupation by hiding among the crowds of civilians, oftentimes firing outwards from among them too. The Iraqis had previously shot back into civilians and now the Saudis did the same thing. Officers shouted for their men to cease firing in many instances yet that didn’t occur in others. Regardless, hundreds of innocents were left dead and the rumours would run through the city claiming the numbers were higher and telling a different story each time.
The Ikhwan could have gone back underground to hide. They’d survived beforehand by doing that. This time they didn’t though. They fought on. Their blood was up and they were feeling that they could win. Everywhere the Saudis went throughout the city, retaking it for their king, they met attacks. It was ambushes mainly with sniping and explosives thrown though several times the Ikhwan made a stand. Saudi infantry, tanks even, went up against them. They won but as before, it came at a cost. Casualties among civilians were high and much damage was done. King Fahd was waiting outside the city to come back in to greet his people and make sure images of that went nationwide and around the world too. He was advised to wait though until those rebelling against his rule be finished off. At a different time, he might have ignored that advice. The bombing in Bahrain several days beforehand which killed Prince Sultan as well as that nation’s emir made him think twice. He stayed outside and let his army pacify the city. It was going to take longer than anyone thought for that to occur fully though.
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Post by stevep on Sept 7, 2019 8:59:26 GMT
Of course while the useful fools will stand and fight and be slaughtered at least some of the 'leaders' will hide out and wait for opportunities to strike back. Which is likely against prominent members of the Saudi state and their allies so Riyadh is going to be dangerous for foreigners and for members of the royal family and I would expect Fahd himself to be a very high priority target. Quite possibly if some of them can get out of the city or call on other extreme groups there will be attacks before he returns as well.
Even without the wider war Saudi is going to be a mess for quite a while. A lot of the loyalists have been killed and many of the religious fundamentalists their been prompting could well turn against them. Could be even worse if some extremists outside the country also join in. You could have some fanatical leaders - obvious choice with hindsight would be bin Laden but may be others - declaring a jihad against the regime or a death fatwa against Fahd. Albeit that at this stage religious fundamentalism was at a markedly lower level than later. The exception here is Iran of course and there are a lot of Shia in the eastern part of Saudi so that's a possible extra complication.
On top of that there is going to be a huge problem of destroyed infrastructure, again without more any devastation to come. Saudi still has a lot of oil but its going to be a while before they can export much again and the financial reserves are going to take a huge hit in the next few years.
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Post by James G on Sept 8, 2019 14:10:24 GMT
Of course while the useful fools will stand and fight and be slaughtered at least some of the 'leaders' will hide out and wait for opportunities to strike back. Which is likely against prominent members of the Saudi state and their allies so Riyadh is going to be dangerous for foreigners and for members of the royal family and I would expect Fahd himself to be a very high priority target. Quite possibly if some of them can get out of the city or call on other extreme groups there will be attacks before he returns as well.
Even without the wider war Saudi is going to be a mess for quite a while. A lot of the loyalists have been killed and many of the religious fundamentalists their been prompting could well turn against them. Could be even worse if some extremists outside the country also join in. You could have some fanatical leaders - obvious choice with hindsight would be bin Laden but may be others - declaring a jihad against the regime or a death fatwa against Fahd. Albeit that at this stage religious fundamentalism was at a markedly lower level than later. The exception here is Iran of course and there are a lot of Shia in the eastern part of Saudi so that's a possible extra complication.
On top of that there is going to be a huge problem of destroyed infrastructure, again without more any devastation to come. Saudi still has a lot of oil but its going to be a while before they can export much again and the financial reserves are going to take a huge hit in the next few years.
They won't be putting the insurgency down as easy as they think. Huge damage has been done to Saudi Arabia, more away from the physical stuff but the stability of the state. However, the effects will be really felt when the world goes to hell and no one cares any more about Fahd's country when they have bigger issues to deal with.
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Post by James G on Sept 8, 2019 14:10:43 GMT
66 – Fox One, Fox Two, Fox Three
NATO brevity codes for air-to-air combat situations: Fox One – the launch of a semi-active radar-guided missile, a medium-range one Fox Two – the launch of an infrared-guided missile, a short-range one Fox Three – the launch of an active radar-guided, a long-range one
Coalition aircraft continued to be involved in offensive air missions forward over Iraq and Kuwait. Losses were still accumulating but the need was there for them to continue. The ground war was soon, very soon, to go forward. Into the areas below where bombs and missiles struck, Coalition troops would be advancing. They would have air support with them when they moved too yet there was much to be hit before then. There were fighters active too, few of them tied directed to close escort of strike missions. Fighter sweeps were done instead either to cover strike missions behind them or to trick the Iraqis into putting interceptors of their own up thinking that there would be attack aircraft that they could go after. The US Air Force’s 49th Tactical Fighter Wing were using their F-15s as often as possible to do this while F-14s flying from distant carriers were also showing up though the US Navy aircraft didn’t come as close as those Eagles did. The 49th TFW had moved to Dhahran (their initial destination before the loss of that facility sent them to Oman temporarily) and from here they were able to fill the skies over enemy-held territory effectively. Their aircraft were fully involved in the fighter sweeps going forward this morning.
Phoenix Flight – four F-15s from one of the 49th TFW’s now four squadrons (an extra one had been assigned) – went from Dhahran and out over the Persian Gulf. They bypassed the stretch of liberated Saudi coastline and then most Kuwait too. Near to the northern reaches of that occupied little nation, they swung westwards and came over land. Into Iraqi airspace they went next, into the skies above the Al Faw Peninsula. Interceptors came up to meet them. Warning came from a distant AWACS that there were lift-offs of jets coming out of Iraqi airbases. The IQAF was once more sending their aircraft up to try and defend their airspace. Phoenix Flight had strict ROE to follow for their mission. They weren’t to stray into Iranian airspace and should there be a suspicion that any fighters they met might by Soviet instead of Iraqi, they were to get visual confirmation of that fact first. With the former, they were clear of Iranian territory and intended to stay that way. When it came to the Soviets, those interceptors that the AWACS had spotted came out of airbases from where it was known that Moscow had pulled its aircraft from. Information came too that they were almost certainly French-built Mirages: not an aircraft that any Soviet pilot should be flying.
Fighter controllers aboard the E-3 Sentry put Phoenix Flight in the perfect position to engage them. As the Iraqis came into range, the F-15s energised their fighter radars. They had been in stand-by mode while the AWACS did all the work beforehand. Now it was different. Each making the radio call of ‘Fox One’, two of the American pilots alerted their fellow aviators that they were launching. AIM-7 Sparrow missiles went after the pair of IQAF interceptors. These were Mirage F-1EQs, single-engined jets designed for air defence missions. They were good aircraft but stood no chance against the ambush which they had stumbled into. Iraqi radars were tracking intruders on and off without realising what the Americans had come here to accomplish by orbiting their jets over the Al Faw. The interceptors were supposed to blow them out of the sky. The opposite happened though. Radar warning receivers wailed in the cockpits of the Mirages as the pilots were alerted that they were being locked-on. They tried to break that lock as they turned away. Using the Sparrow missile meant that the F-15s had to keep that radar lock to guide their missiles in as the AIM-7 didn’t have one of its own. Following the attempts at evasion wasn’t difficult though. The ambush had been timed with the consideration in mind that the IQAF would make this effort once they realised what was happening.
Each Mirage was hit. One blew up in the sky while the other fast started going down with its pilot ejecting from his doomed jet.
There were another three more IQAF interceptors which came up into the skies though, and these weren’t the Mirages which it had been first believed that they were. Updated information came from the AWACS: the trio were MiG-23BMs. The Soviets weren’t known to have any of those in Iraq either at the one airbase in the south where they remained nor at other sites. Still… New orders came from the E-3 to Phoenix Flight. There was to be a visual confirmation before any shots was taken. The American pilots weren’t best pleased with this but did as they were told. All four F-15s were brought back together – radars were switched off again – and they moved position. They followed directions to engage the MiG-23s which by now were flying all over the sky looking for them as the operations of their ground radars were interfered with by the activities of an EF-111 Raven flying out over the Gulf. The Americans went for another ambush again.
When it was done, Phoenix Flight attacked in pairs from above and below, on either flank of the three IQAF interceptors which had stuck together. Two of the Americans – one in each element – got a look at the roundels on the MiG-23s. They saw green triangles instead of red stars when flashing past the Iraqis. Those IQAF pilots spun their heads left then right, looking up and down as the F-15s criss-crossed the skies through which they flew. They were buffeted by the turbulence and left completely surprised. The trio of jets broke formation, aiming to go after the Americans. However, they were behind the curve. The US Air Force was after more kills and was about to get them.
There were multiple calls of ‘Fox Two’. Each F-15 made a launch, firing from behind the MiG-23s. They used AIM-9 Sidewinders which bored onward towards the heat-sources which were the engines of the Iraqi interceptors. Two were quickly hit but the third managed to dodge one of the inbound Sidewinders. That luck didn’t last long though. There been four missiles put into the sky and the MiG-23 was struck. Watching the Iraqis going down wasn’t for the Americans to do once they had their kills. They were directed to climb and go back over the Al Faw. They’d strayed north of there, coming close to Basra and the border waterway which was the Shatt al Arab.
They were still inside Iraqi airspace when they were fired upon from a distance. No radio call of ‘Fox Three’ was made by those who launched on the F-15s yet those firing long-range radar-guided missiles had some time ago been trained to do such a thing. The Iranians in the F-14 Tomcats firing AIM-54 Phoenixs had their own, updated calls instead. Six of those missiles filled the sky, each coming from over the Iranian side of the invisible line in the sky and heading westwards. The American AWACS was tracking those Iranian interceptors like they were others over there, F-4s too, but hadn’t realised what was about to occur. The missiles launches weren’t seen until too late, not until the F-14s re-engerised their radars to give final guidance to the missiles already flying and heading for the Americans. Information was instantly sent over a datalink – this was all US-built technology now being used against them – and then those AIM-54s were on their own. Their onboard radars were less powerful than that on the launching interceptors but were enough.
Shouts of ‘Evade!’ came. The F-15s made a valiant effort to do so. Two of the pilots failed to get their jets out of the way though and Iranian missiles made impact with them. One American fighter exploded in the sky while the other lost most of one wing. The pilot from that stricken jet would be forced to eject and soon end up in Iraqi custody. Both surviving fighters managed to get out of the way of the barrage of Iranian missiles as they dodged and jammed their way out of the attack. Their pilots called on the AWACS for targeting information on where to find those who had shot their countrymen down. They wanted to return fire. Different orders came though and it was a return to Dhahran instead. Furious and eager for revenge, the 49th TFW pilots did as they were told though.
A new player had entered the game. Iran had fired war-shots, purposely targeting American aircraft over Iraq. It was now up to politicians, not aircrews on the frontlines, to decide what to do next.
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Post by James G on Sept 8, 2019 18:17:23 GMT
67 – Marshal Ogarkov says he is ready
Since returning from his appointment with the Politburo in Moscow, Marshal Ogarkov had been busy doing exactly what he was instructed by them to do. His task was to prepare that insurance policy that Ligachev told him to have in-place. Should the Americans strike again against Soviet forces in the Middle East, in yet another clear act of aggression, Plan Zhukov would be implemented in Europe. This was to occur thirty-six hours after instruction to do so.
Ogarkov now said that he was ready.
He would have wanted more troops to give the planned operation a higher chance of success. More tanks would have been better too… oh, and more missiles, more aircraft, more helicopters and more of everything imaginable. Yet, he had been given what he had. The Politburo would only issue what they deemed necessary. Defence minister Marshal Sokolov had their ear on that matter and it was he, not Ogarkov, who made those decisions. Therefore, with what he had, should the instruction come, he would send Soviet and East German forces across the Iron Curtain into Western Europe.
Staff officers at Ogarkov’s extensive headquarters complex outside of the Polish town of Legnica had refined Plan Zhukov to their commander’s liking. The variant of the general war plan for launching a pre-emptive attack westward – right ahead of a NATO attack going east of course –, the one favoured by Ogarkov, was to make the best use of what was available as well as surprise too. There would be no pre-strike massing of combat forces in the field but instead that out-of-barracks move. Only once Plan Zhukov was underway would there be a mass movement from outside of Eastern Europe of Soviet forces based inside their own country in addition to a widescale mobilisation through the Warsaw Pact countries. This meant that the forces stationed inside Eastern Europe in peacetime would be going west on their own. Ogarkov had been granted a limited number of reinforcements in the past week but they were few in number overall. He would put them to good use though, alongside everything he already had.
Because Plan Zhukov called for the surprise factor to allow it to be pulled off successfully, this meant that Ogarkov could defy conventional war plans drawn up both sides of the Iron Curtain for a war where each side lined up their forces ahead of a fight. The huge field armies that would go west would follow light forces first. Soviet reconnaissance units would move by ground and air to strike deep and seize the way ahead. Further units would rush forward to support them and exploit the gaps they held open for the advance to continue yet those sent out first would have a lot riding on them fulfilling the task set for them. They would be holding bridges, tunnels, airports and chokepoints open. They would too be establishing blocking positions to stop NATO forces moving out of their barracks being able to deploy properly in time. Ogarkov had been sent those airborne divisions and he also had under command several airmobile brigades as well as plenty of Spetsnaz forces. Soviet Airborne units would be acting in the ground reconnaissance role, advancing in their armoured vehicles rather than being dropped by air. There were already ground reconnaissance units equipped with tanks & armoured vehicles but they would have that extra support in fulfilling their missions with these attachments made. As to the other lighter assault units, the plan called for them to be the ones who would be inserted by parachute and helicopter assaults to hold what needed to be held. They would be right in the firing line. Moreover, there was a separate operation – Red Eagle – planned using other airborne units. This wasn’t a direct element of Plan Zhukov and involved something that Sokolov and his people at the defence ministry had drawn up. The wisdom of that wasn’t something that Ogarkov wasn’t so sure of at all.
As well as troops, Sokolov had authorised Ogarkov to take command of many air units and to move them into Eastern Europe covertly. The thinking on the part of the defence minister was that NATO intelligence would spot a transfer forward of tank divisions but not that of regiments of fighters and attack aircraft. The aircraft had been flown mostly at night to airbases spread through Czechoslovakia, East Germany and Poland. In the majority of cases, the same type of aircraft which operated at the receiving bases already were sent there. This wasn’t always possible yet it was done where it could be. Transport aircraft and assault helicopters were under Ogarkov’s command for the implementation of Plan Zhukov. He had kept the former back though brought the latter forward. Helicopters were easier to conceal. Should war come, some NATO airbases were to be hit with chemical-filled tactical missile strikes and others raided by Spetsnaz. Knocking such places out of action for good was only going to work when Soviet tanks rolled into them but before then, those NATO aircraft which operated from them were supposed to have their operations curtailed. That would mean that the skies over Europe – both East & West – would belong to Soviet aircraft. Ogarkov’s air officers would be doing much with their jets though the priority task was to support his forces on the ground.
Paper war games were run. Again and again, Ogarkov had his staff conduct exercises to game out the plan. He brought field commanders from units which could be taking part in an authorised Plan Zhukov to Legnica so they understood what was to be done upon receipt of an order to strike. Naturally, such people had ‘suggestions’…often objections in fact. A few of these turned out to be something worthwhile though and there were minor adjustments made. Ogarkov was a tinkerer. Perhaps that drove his staff mad but they didn’t have his responsibilities, did they? As to those who came to his headquarters to tell him that their units weren’t going to be ready, that they needed more training, that they didn’t think the plan would work… Ogarkov dealt with them where necessary. Sokolov had given him the authority to transfer, demote and fire those who weren’t up to the task. It might have been the case that the defence minister didn’t think that Ogarkov could go as far as he did yet, despite much huffing and puffing, there was no instruction coming from Moscow for Ogarkov to stop doing what he was doing.
Other visitors came to Legnica as well. Ogarkov’s command was that of Western Strategic Direction (Western-TVD) and this gave him supreme command over preparations for an attack into Western Europe. North-south that covered a possible combat zone stretching from the Baltic to the Alps. There were other TVDs though, the multiple-front commands that the Soviet Armed Forces had established waiting for the day that war would come. At Kishinev down in Moldova, a four-star general led the Southwestern-TVD. He had his own war plan yet Ogarkov had recently been assigned many of his forces. Cooperation between the two commands would take place in wartime to avoid overlap and achieve objectives. In addition, there was a three-star general – Ogarkov’s rank above theirs was important in his dealings with them – who had recently been named as the commander of the new Northwestern-TVD. Ogarkov had been issued many forces which would have formed the fighting strength of that man’s command too. Everywhere north of the Baltic and everywhere south of the Alps were the operational areas for their potential operations. He focused on his own yet he had to be aware of what they planned to do in wartime just like they had to understand his intentions as well.
What Ogarkov didn’t discuss with those two generals, his own subordinates nor Sokolov back in Moscow was how he felt that Plan Zhukov was inevitable.
When he was called before the Politburo to brief them on it before they gave him the go-ahead to get ready, he was told that an attack into Western Europe was to be made in response to any further United States attacks in the Gulf. There was the additional comment about REFORGER too, something that at the time he didn’t take as much notice of as he probably should have. Only afterwards, following the American preparations for their annual exercise, did he understand the growing problem. They’d said back in Moscow that should Operation REFORGER be implemented, he would be given the order to attack. The thinking had been that that would occur alongside a clash of military forces in the Middle East. However, every year, the United States conducted their Exercise REFORGER. They brought combat forces across the ocean. The Exercise was nowhere near as large as the Operation would be… usually. However, this year it was going to be different. Ogarkov had been given information which said that the equivalent of four combat divisions, not two as previously believed, were going to be deployed for the Exercise in West Germany: it would be five or six if this was the Operation. The number of air units was near doubled as well. Into Western Europe starting late August – their war games began in September but they would be in-place ahead of that – would come a mass of forces. NATO said that it was all defensive. Ogarkov didn’t think that that was a lie though it changed the whole balance of forces for a certain period at a crucial time. Plan Zhukov could deal with that extra enemy strength but he didn’t know if those in Moscow could deal with their own worries over American aggression.
This year’s Exercise REFORGER was almost making a conflict not certain but worryingly highly likely. Ogarkov had no desire to launch Plan Zhukov. The Politburo had told him that they didn’t want war either. They told him to be ready to make war though should it look like war was coming. Part of that depended upon what happened in the Gulf with Ogarkov hoping that nothing would; there was a lot at stake because of this American military exercise too. His sincere wish was that all of his planning was for nothing. He hoped that things would just calm down and not escalate the situation any further than it had already got to.
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Post by forcon on Sept 8, 2019 21:15:25 GMT
The surprise attack element could reslly work in the Soviets favour. While they won't be prepared, NATO will be even less ready.
Troops will literally be asleep in their barracks. It must take hours at least for them to form up, retrieve weapons from their armouries, get vehicles out of motor pools, fuel and arm tanks and AFVs etc...
And weren't battalions from different brigades based in seperate locations in some cases? NATO could well be in a situation where two battalions from brigade X are coming under immediate attack while the other two battalions are ten or twenty miles away where the HQ and artillery elements of Brigade Y are stationed.
Not sure if that last part is accurate but it sounds right for the BAOR, less so the Americans. I'd expect their brigades to be grouped together at the same garrisons.
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Post by James G on Sept 9, 2019 19:15:39 GMT
The surprise attack element could reslly work in the Soviets favour. While they won't be prepared, NATO will be even less ready. Troops will literally be asleep in their barracks. It must take hours at least for them to form up, retrieve weapons from their armouries, get vehicles out of motor pools, fuel and arm tanks and AFVs etc... And weren't battalions from different brigades based in seperate locations in some cases? NATO could well be in a situation where two battalions from brigade X are coming under immediate attack while the other two battalions are ten or twenty miles away where the HQ and artillery elements of Brigade Y are stationed. Not sure if that last part is accurate but it sounds right for the BAOR, less so the Americans. I'd expect their brigades to be grouped together at the same garrisons. Surprise is key. you're correct, the Soviet attack will be very complicated and all over the place but that plan relies on NATO being in a worse position. Not all NATO units would be in such a state but most would be. That would mean that they are unprepared for battle. Many of the garrisons will be getting a chemical surprise too: one or two Scuds or FROGs to cause disruption rather than eliminate them. I think the British, West Germans and everyone else were so scattered. Not so sure on the Americans but I think so too. Soviet airmobile units holding the way open will be sent to snatch all those places that West German territorials are meant to hold. Bridges, tunnels etc which are supposed to be manned by reservists ready with explosives. The Soviets will want to take them before those men are mobilised: regular West Germans were tasked in the traditional battlefield role.
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Post by James G on Sept 9, 2019 19:16:31 GMT
68 – Into Iraq
US Marines, with the British alongside them, went into Iraq. The I Marine Amphibious Force moved up the western, Iraqi side of the Wadi Al-Batin. This valley which through ran a seasonal river defined the border with Kuwait. Over on the other side, Kuwaiti border defences, ones which Iraq had bypassed when invading, were still there and while arrayed east-to-west, they would still pose a problem to a south-to-north movement. The Iraqis hadn’t covered their side of the border with all of those anti-tank ditches, minefields and barricades that the Kuwaitis had. However, they’d recently tried to do the same with their frontier defences facing south into Saudi Arabia, but they weren’t up to much after the short time available to do that work. In no time at all, those had been overcome as the I MAF advanced into Iraq. Iraqi troops behind those were soon beaten through too. Then, the Coalition ground troops here moved across the desert as they struck deep into the enemy’s homeland. The night-time fighting saw the Iraqis defeated. That defeat didn’t mean that they were wiped out though. The 1st Marine Division, the 1st & 7th Marine Amphibious Brigades and the British 3rd Commando & 24th Infantry Brigades all had to face resistance from their opponent. Iraqi units were shattered but their men were fighting to defend their country. That they did, until they were either dead or out of ammunition. Those who surrendered proved troublesome as well. Ammunition expenditure was higher than projected once again along with the casualties too. There were many dead and wounded among the American and British ranks as a consequence of the advance.
All of those issues aside though, the I MAF ended up holding a significant piece of ground deep into Iraq by the next morning. They’d won the fight which they were sent to take place in. The Iraqis hadn’t stopped them despite all their best efforts to defend their country effectively from the invasion taking place. The I MAF was ready to advance once more come the following night. But… those Coalition units fighting either side of the I MAF were in the best of shape to do so after their first night going into Iraq and Kuwait too.
The US XVIII Airborne Corps was on the left flank of the US Marines. The lighter units of that command – the airborne and air assault divisions – were held back and instead it was the heavier American and French forces sent forward. Improvised border defences were engaged first. Iraqi troops inside their trenches were often buried inside them: the Americans used armoured earthmovers to collapse them atop the strongest points of resistance. Other Iraqis were blasted to pieces with their weapons silenced when high explosives were used instead of moving sand. The 3rd Cav’ went forward first before the 24th Infantry Division, the reservists with the 157th Infantry Brigade and the Frenchmen serving in their 6th Light Armored Division followed them. The Iraqi desert wasn’t as empty as the Saudi desert. It was one which the Iraqis had fortified better than what could be found to the south. Anti-tank guns and missile-launchers opened fire on the Coalition attack. Tank guns returned fire, aided too by the attack helicopters in the sky. The mobility that the XVIII Corps had allowed them to push onwards whereas those who had tried to stop their advance from getting going had been immobile. Iraqi tanks were expected to be met though, along with Iraqi infantry deploying from armoured vehicles. That happened soon enough. Several battles commenced through the night. These took place on the fly, at unexpected times. Each side bumped into the other rather than being able to conduct an ambush. The ability of the Iraqis to get their held-back mobile forces forward like they did caused the XVIII Corps to rage at the inadequacy of their air cover but also the reconnaissance failures too. The 3rd Cav’ had gone too far ahead, celebrating the amount of ground they had taken and thus failed to properly fulfil their role. It was victory disease which had affected them: they gone from victory to victory in recent weeks, storming across the desert and overcoming all before them. All it took was for them to take their eye of the ball a little and the rest of the corps was in trouble. The fighting which the XVIII Corps got into didn’t go brilliantly. The Iraqis had their own terrible difficulties too though. American and French forces managed to beat those they faced but it was no easy feat. They weren’t achieving here in Iraq what they had done down in Saudi Arabia and winning almost one-sided victories.
Before dawn arrived, the new corps commander, Lt.-General Schwarzkopf, was forced to pull back the 3rd Cav’ and effectively give back taken ground. He had them come in from behind against retreating Iraqi units which had caused the rest of his troops so much trouble through most of the hours of darkness. Good co-ordination was achieved in doing this between those friendly forces moving in each direction but it was all too late. There were other Iraqis who managed to slip away, escaping in the shuffle. Schwarzkopf was forced to report to Third Army HQ only partial success in his mission. He’d come here ready to charge on the Mesopotamian Valley but found that the Iraqis were not yet beaten. It was a rude surprise. He was quick to make sure that he secured his flanks after the forward advance stopped. Linking up with the US Marines to the east was easy enough and then he had one of the 101st Air Assault Division’s brigades make helicopter assaults just as it was getting light to the west and northwest. This made sure that when Schwarzkopf went back on the attack again, he’d be in a position to do so without having to worry about an Iraqi spoiling attack. That success aside wasn’t much consolation for the fact that the XVIII Corps had only gone half as far forward as it was supposed to overall.
The Egyptian Expeditionary Corps – with a couple of Moroccan battalions recently attached – were going into Iraq too but were taking a ‘detour’ through Kuwait first. Avoiding all of those obstructions in the way close to the Wadi A-Batin, they went through the western half of this country just away from the abandoned Kuwaiti defensive lines. They were liberating Kuwait on their way to invade Iraq. Iraqi forces met them on the border and provided quite the strong resistance. The Egyptians had the numbers and the firepower with them and overcome the defenders. It took time though, far longer than expected. Finally, the Iraqi lines were broken and the Egyptians went forward. The Moroccans saw battle for the first time during this and didn’t have a good experience of warfare. Inside Kuwait, the intention was that there would be an advance made following the course of Highway-70. The crossroads at Jahrah was intended to be reached and with that the coast of the Persian Gulf: all of eastern Kuwait, including the capital city, would be cut off by getting that far. Jahrah was left just a different dream for these Coalition troops. They couldn’t get going properly once over the border as the Iraqis had fixed defences and also made localised counterattacks. The fight was confusing and came with each side mis-identifying their own comrades and their opponents repeatedly. Friendly air cover promised for the Egyptians was at often times neither friendly (Egyptian troops were bombed by American aircraft) nor cover either: the IQAF managed to get some air strikes in, even at murderous cost to their aircraft. This area of the battlefield was where Rashid’s generals had expected the main fighting to occur. That it should be in the Coalition’s view that the real fight to liberate Kuwait would come inside Iraq was immaterial. The Iraqi Army was prepared to fight here. A sweeping advance through the western half of the country onwards to Jahrah made sense to them. They had believed it would be the Americans they could encounter yet fought the Egyptians just the same. By morning, the Egyptian advance was measured in less than a dozen miles. They were fought out too, unable to go onwards come again the following night.
Saudi and GCC troops in the pan-Arab force, the recently designated Joint Forces Corps, were like the Egyptians tasked to go into Iraq by way of Kuwait too. The thinking was that they would be a follow-up force, getting into Southern Iraq long after everyone else. Kuwait City was their first objective though and to reach that far would mean they would first have to go through eastern Kuwait and reach Kuwait City. It was big ask for these troops, men who were veterans of this war but having seen much costly action. Going over the border and entered Kuwait was something that the Joint Forces Corps wholly failed to get though in the first night of the Coalition attack northwards. Bahraini, Emirati, Omani, Qatari and Saudi tanks & soldiers failed to make any significant progress. The Iraqis held the line against them. They’d drawn a line in the sand just like this pan-Arab force, back when it was under Prince Sultan’s command, had done near Hofuf and it was one which couldn’t be crossed. In many ways, this wasn’t crippling for the Coalition. The frontal attack here was supposed to take the heat of the Egyptians and allow their breakthrough in the west to be made. However, the belief had been that the Iraqis would give ground and the Joint Forces Corps would make some headway where retreating Iraqis would be pushed back into the Egyptians which eventually should arrive behind them. Them failing to do anything in terms of going forward wasn’t gamed out as a likely scenario. The Iraqis had been hit with countless air and artillery strikes, in addition to serious naval shelling undertaken too, but they held back the armies of their neighbours.
Third Army HQ was aware during the night of what was going on and there was knowledge there long before dawn that the offensive hadn’t gone to plan. Only the I MAF had achieved what they were supposed to. The XVIII Corps had opened up a reasonable advance with Schwarzkopf saying that he was going to ‘correct’ the issue the next night but what happened over in Kuwait was the real concern. A broad front advance had been planned but that had all gone awry. General Chambers had to report failure to General Crist at CENTCOM: trying to sugar-coat what had gone wrong as anything but that just wasn’t going to work. CENTCOM’s commander was displeased though not enraged at the inability of just one night’s offensive work to break the Iraqis. Since they’d been pushed back to where they had come from, they had improved their military performance significantly. Yet, Crist believed that they would break soon enough. The Iraqi Army was beaten and they just needed convincing of that. He ordered Chambers to continue what he was doing though switch the majority of the air support that had been given to the Joint Forces Corps – which hadn’t done them much good – elsewhere. He’d rather see it try to open up the battlefield with the Egyptians and the XVIII Corps. Should the Iraqis wish to fight a fanatical battle to hold onto eastern Kuwait, Crist was willing to let them do that. They could be pinned there and held in-place as far as he was concerned.
On receipt of that order, Chambers had his staff make plans to see them implemented. He spoke to his corps commanders and when talking with Schwarzkopf, he went through the changes he wished to make. That newly-arrived general had come to the Gulf and been thrown into combat, fighting a battle someone else had planned. The corrections were going to come fast after a night of frustration. XVIII Corps’ commander had a question for his superior. How were the Iraqis going to respond to having their country invaded? From what he had seen, the Iraqis had good troops covering their own border region but the very best ones were over in Kuwait. So they hadn’t been expecting that attacks made by his command and the I MAF. What was this Rashid character going to do when surprised like this? Chambers didn’t have a precise answer but he did say that he expected some sort of strong reaction from Baghdad.
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Post by James G on Sept 9, 2019 19:18:15 GMT
'Joint Forces Corps' is a terrible name for the pan-Arab forces. I was stuffed for another one. In OTL 1991, Saudi & GCC troops were under Joint Forces Command North and East.
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Post by lordbyron on Sept 9, 2019 22:33:36 GMT
Sounds like an OK name, and things are getting worse...
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Post by stevep on Sept 10, 2019 8:27:37 GMT
That could be the key question. With Iraq itself being invaded, if only in the southernmost limits, does Rashid try to pull back his better forces in Kuwait? That would make them available against the western forces, which are the main threat with the Arab ones stalling. However it means moving them out of good defensive positions, making them a lot more vulnerable to allied air power. Possibly also forcing a withdraw from much of Kuwait itself which would be a political disaster for him.
Or is another option widespread use of chemical weapons against the western forces, ignoring the warnings of what the response might be. I fear he might be that desperate in which case its likely to get even nastier.
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Post by forcon on Sept 10, 2019 17:35:51 GMT
Agreed with stevep. If the Allies go for Baghdad, Rashid won't have much to lose - things could go differently though.
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