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Post by lordbyron on Sept 1, 2019 18:51:57 GMT
Good update; waiting for more, of course, and congrats at reaching 75k words, with many more to come...
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Post by James G on Sept 1, 2019 18:58:13 GMT
Good update; waiting for more, of course, and congrats at reaching 75k words, with many more to come... Thank you. More incoming.
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Post by James G on Sept 1, 2019 18:58:36 GMT
58 – War aims
Cairo and Dubai had each been considered as a possible location for what in the end became the Jeddah Summit. King Fahd said that he wouldn’t, couldn’t in fact, leave his nation at a time like this. The Iraqi invasion and the ongoing occupation of his capital meant that he needed to remain within Saudi Arabia. Going overseas wasn’t an option for him. He thus invited the leaders of his country’s wartime allies to the city which was serving as his de facto capital until Riyadh could be liberated. Arab leaders who had brought their nations into the Coalition attended and so too did Western ones. There had been the possibility that Reagan might not attend and instead he would send Bush – the US vice president had been in the Middle East much in the past few months – but, in the end, the American president came to Jeddah as well as Thatcher from the UK and France’s Mitterrand. There were important attendees too from countries not at war with Iraq but who came as observers. The Jeddah Summit was a gathering like no other. Security was extremely tight with the fears (admittedly unlikely) of an Iraqi commando attack being present; the Americans feared a missile attack more than that but the city was out of range of the weapons that the Iraqis were known to have. Security-wise, it passed off without incident. Diplomatically, things didn’t go without trouble.
The bringing together of such people came about because there was felt a need to have them talk about the future direction of Coalition activities as the war with Iraq progressed. The Coalition had been hastily formed last month in response to the invasions of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. It grew over time encompassing more nations which committed to sending troops to fight inside King Fahd’s nation. There was an almost forgetfulness about Kuwait during that, one which the Kuwaitis were constantly trying to make everyone remember. Their country too was suffering under foreign occupation just like parts of Saudi Arabia was. Iraqis armies had now been stopped and those not overcome had turned around and gone back north. Almost all of Saudi Arabia was now free of occupation; Kuwait was fully in Iraqi hands. Iraq’s armies were still active as well. They were now fighting from defensive positions not on their own sovereign soil. The possibility remained that a fresh attack could come to once more see Rashid send his tanks forward if he saw the chance.
Questions arose as what to do now.
Should the Coalition send its own armies into Kuwait, through all of those defences that the Iraqis had established? Should the Coalition attack into Iraq too, so as to support a liberation of Kuwait? Should the Coalition advance all the way to Baghdad to depose Rashid and lift the threat of any further conflict for good? War aims such as these needed to be considered.
The Gulf Arab Monarchies all committed themselves to seeing their neighbour Kuwait liberated with Emir Saad back on his throne. This would mean finishing off Iraq’s armies which remained inside Saudi Arabia blocking the way forward. On their own, their armies of these countries, small ones which had fought costly battles, couldn’t do this. The Saudis stood with them on this because Fahd wanted the rest of his country back and the key to eliminating the threat from Iraq for good was to defeat Rashid’s armies in fighting for Kuwait. He pushed for entry to be made through Iraqi territory to complete the liberation of Kuwait. On the question of marching on Baghdad, this was out of the question for Fahd and the emirs & sheikhs. They believed that doing so would see Iraq fracture. Iran would swoop in, Sheikh Saqr from the emirate of Ras al Khaimah declared with conviction, and the ayatollahs would take what they wanted leaving the rest of Iraq to fall into civil war. His comments brought agreement from his allies. Mubarak and King Hassan were in Jeddah and the two of them – each whose countries had been promised a significant sum from Fahd with Morocco now having troops in Saudi Arabia too – weren’t so sure of the wisdom of leaving Rashid in Baghdad. Egypt wanted Rashid deposed and pushed hard to change the mind of their allies with Morocco on-side in this attempt.
Saudi Arabia mattered more to the trio of Western countries whose leaders were present for the summit. America, Britain and France had all been acting to protect Kuwaiti interests before the war commenced though much of that was to oppose the Moscow-backed Iraq and support the Saudis rather than any love for Kuwait. The two presidents and the one prime minister each had been briefed by their military chiefs. They knew the strength of forces that the Iraqis had gathered to stablish their blocking positions. Fighting through these would be hard work and costly in terms of casualties: doing the same inside Kuwait would be even more. Mitterrand didn’t favour any attack through Iraq to aid in the liberation of Kuwait while Thatcher didn’t see that as being any worse than going into Kuwait directly. Neither of these two wanted to have their armies go all the way to Baghdad. Britain and France feared an Iraqi collapse too as that might bring down regimes further afield such as Jordan. All eyes turned towards Reagan and the position of the United States in all of this.
The American president told them that he believed that Operation Desert Eagle shouldn’t take the Coalition all the way to Baghdad. Yes, that would rid the region of Rashid and Iraq’s leader had committed all sorts of war crimes including the use of chemical weapons in his quest to invade his neighbours. He’d allied himself with the Soviet Union and was acting on behalf of Moscow with his war against his neighbours. The Soviets wanted to see all of the nations in the Arabian Peninsula fall under their subjugation using their Iraqi proxies to do this. However, America was listening to the concerns of its friends here. Their fears were understood. Reagan didn’t wish to see Iraq collapse and regional conflict spread even further with Iran – also acting at the behest of Moscow – waiting in the wings. He proposed that the remainder of Saudi Arabia be liberated alongside Kuwait too with an inclusion of crossing Iraqi territory to be part of that. Mubarak urged him to invade Iraq and said that if others didn’t want to join in with going that far, Egypt would regardless. Reagan stood firm with his decision though and it was one which Mubarak wasn’t happy with but would have to live with. Iraq would be battered with Coalition air strikes to do as much damage as possible to the country’s military potential to launch another war, the American president affirmed, rather than a march be made on Baghdad. Doing this would mean addressing the issue of Soviet forces inside Iraq though.
The Secretary of State was to meet with the Soviet foreign minister in the coming days to deliver a formal communique. That would contain a demand that Moscow remove its forces from Kuwait and Iraq for their own safety. The Soviets were to be told that they were to become free-fire zones for Coalition forces and the United States wished to avoid another accident like which had been seen several months ago. With this aided by backchannel communications too, those in Moscow would understand American determination to no longer have their military operations curtailed. The fair warning would be followed soon enough by air strikes against Iraq. Efforts would be made to avoid any Soviet forces that remained but Reagan expected that the Soviets would withdraw or at least make strenuous efforts to get out of the way.
The American president’s about-turn on this issue surprised those at the Jeddah Summit. It had been frustrating for many to see the Americans self-imposing their own previous limits on what they would do with their aircraft. Now, they were going to unleash them. However, that previous position had long had its support. Mitterrand and Thatcher had backed it because they were concerned over an accidental clash leading to a Soviet reaction; their Middle Eastern partners had wanted to see Iraq blasted to bits and believed that the Soviets would pull out once America bared its teeth. Britain and France sought American assurances on how far they were going to go. Their leaders here in Jeddah spoke to Reagan on this while their diplomats struggled to understand what had changed the president’s mind. It became apparent that Reagan had caved into pressure back home – Congress, the State Department and the Pentagon –, with some of that influenced by Saudi lobbying too. The president had been convinced that bombing Iraq had to be done though if an invasion wasn’t going to happen: it would drive the Soviets out of Iraq because they would see how determined the United States was to wipe out Iraq as a regional threat. Reagan promised that care was going to be taken because, like his allies, he didn’t want to see World War Three erupt.
Reagan got his way. The Coalition agreed to do what the United States wanted. This was a middle ground between those who just wanted to go into Kuwait only and those who desired sending tanks to Baghdad. The Jeddah Summit broke with friendship on the surface though still with concerns among certain leaders at the wisdom of their allies. For the time being, they were sticking together though.
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Post by lordroel on Sept 1, 2019 19:04:18 GMT
58 – War aimsCairo and Dubai had each been considered as a possible location for what in the end became the Jeddah Summit. King Fahd said that he wouldn’t, couldn’t in fact, leave his nation at a time like this. The Iraqi invasion and the ongoing occupation of his capital meant that he needed to remain within Saudi Arabia. Going overseas wasn’t an option for him. He thus invited the leaders of his country’s wartime allies to the city which was serving as his de facto capital until Riyadh could be liberated. Arab leaders who had brought their nations into the Coalition attended and so too did Western ones. There had been the possibility that Reagan might not attend and instead he would send Bush – the US vice president had been in the Middle East much in the past few months – but, in the end, the American president came to Jeddah as well as Thatcher from the UK and France’s Mitterrand. There were important attendees too from countries not at war with Iraq but who came as observers. The Jeddah Summit was a gathering like no other. Security was extremely tight with the fears (admittedly unlikely) of an Iraqi commando attack being present; the Americans feared a missile attack more than that but the city was out of range of the weapons that the Iraqis were known to have. Security-wise, it passed off without incident. Diplomatically, things didn’t go without trouble. The bringing together of such people came about because there was felt a need to have them talk about the future direction of Coalition activities as the war with Iraq progressed. The Coalition had been hastily formed last month in response to the invasions of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. It grew over time encompassing more nations which committed to sending troops to fight inside King Fahd’s nation. There was an almost forgetfulness about Kuwait during that, one which the Kuwaitis were constantly trying to make everyone remember. Their country too was suffering under foreign occupation just like parts of Saudi Arabia was. Iraqis armies had now been stopped and those not overcome had turned around and gone back north. Almost all of Saudi Arabia was now free of occupation; Kuwait was fully in Iraqi hands. Iraq’s armies were still active as well. They were now fighting from defensive positions not on their own sovereign soil. The possibility remained that a fresh attack could come to once more see Rashid send his tanks forward if he saw the chance. Questions arose as what to do now. Should the Coalition send its own armies into Kuwait, through all of those defences that the Iraqis had established? Should the Coalition attack into Iraq too, so as to support a liberation of Kuwait? Should the Coalition advance all the way to Baghdad to depose Rashid and lift the threat of any further conflict for good? War aims such as these needed to be considered. The Gulf Arab Monarchies all committed themselves to seeing their neighbour Kuwait liberated with Emir Saad back on his throne. This would mean finishing off Iraq’s armies which remained inside Saudi Arabia blocking the way forward. On their own, their armies of these countries, small ones which had fought costly battles, couldn’t do this. The Saudis stood with them on this because Fahd wanted the rest of his country back and the key to eliminating the threat from Iraq for good was to defeat Rashid’s armies in fighting for Kuwait. He pushed for entry to be made through Iraqi territory to complete the liberation of Kuwait. On the question of marching on Baghdad, this was out of the question for Fahd and the emirs & sheikhs. They believed that doing so would see Iraq fracture. Iran would swoop in, Sheikh Saqr from the emirate of Ras al Khaimah declared with conviction, and the ayatollahs would take what they wanted leaving the rest of Iraq to fall into civil war. His comments brought agreement from his allies. Mubarak and King Hassan were in Jeddah and the two of them – each whose countries had been promised a significant sum from Fahd with Morocco now having troops in Saudi Arabia too – weren’t so sure of the wisdom of leaving Rashid in Baghdad. Egypt wanted Rashid deposed and pushed hard to change the mind of their allies with Morocco on-side in this attempt. Saudi Arabia mattered more to the trio of Western countries whose leaders were present for the summit. America, Britain and France had all been acting to protect Kuwaiti interests before the war commenced though much of that was to oppose the Moscow-backed Iraq and support the Saudis rather than any love for Kuwait. The two presidents and the one prime minister each had been briefed by their military chiefs. They knew the strength of forces that the Iraqis had gathered to stablish their blocking positions. Fighting through these would be hard work and costly in terms of casualties: doing the same inside Kuwait would be even more. Mitterrand didn’t favour any attack through Iraq to aid in the liberation of Kuwait while Thatcher didn’t see that as being any worse than going into Kuwait directly. Neither of these two wanted to have their armies go all the way to Baghdad. Britain and France feared an Iraqi collapse too as that might bring down regimes further afield such as Jordan. All eyes turned towards Reagan and the position of the United States in all of this. The American president told them that he believed that Operation Desert Eagle shouldn’t take the Coalition all the way to Baghdad. Yes, that would rid the region of Rashid and Iraq’s leader had committed all sorts of war crimes including the use of chemical weapons in his quest to invade his neighbours. He’d allied himself with the Soviet Union and was acting on behalf of Moscow with his war against his neighbours. The Soviets wanted to see all of the nations in the Arabian Peninsula fall under their subjugation using their Iraqi proxies to do this. However, America was listening to the concerns of its friends here. Their fears were understood. Reagan didn’t wish to see Iraq collapse and regional conflict spread even further with Iran – also acting at the behest of Moscow – waiting in the wings. He proposed that the remainder of Saudi Arabia be liberated alongside Kuwait too with an inclusion of crossing Iraqi territory to be part of that. Mubarak urged him to invade Iraq and said that if others didn’t want to join in with going that far, Egypt would regardless. Reagan stood firm with his decision though and it was one which Mubarak wasn’t happy with but would have to live with. Iraq would be battered with Coalition air strikes to do as much damage as possible to the country’s military potential to launch another war, the American president affirmed, rather than a march be made on Baghdad. Doing this would mean addressing the issue of Soviet forces inside Iraq though. The Secretary of State was to meet with the Soviet foreign minister in the coming days to deliver a formal communique. That would contain a demand that Moscow remove its forces from Kuwait and Iraq for their own safety. The Soviets were to be told that they were to become free-fire zones for Coalition forces and the United States wished to avoid another accident like which had been seen several months ago. With this aided by backchannel communications too, those in Moscow would understand American determination to no longer have their military operations curtailed. The fair warning would be followed soon enough by air strikes against Iraq. Efforts would be made to avoid any Soviet forces that remained but Reagan expected that the Soviets would withdraw or at least make strenuous efforts to get out of the way. The American president’s about-turn on this issue surprised those at the Jeddah Summit. It had been frustrating for many to see the Americans self-imposing their own previous limits on what they would do with their aircraft. Now, they were going to unleash them. However, that previous position had long had its support. Mitterrand and Thatcher had backed it because they were concerned over an accidental clash leading to a Soviet reaction; their Middle Eastern partners had wanted to see Iraq blasted to bits and believed that the Soviets would pull out once America bared its teeth. Britain and France sought American assurances on how far they were going to go. Their leaders here in Jeddah spoke to Reagan on this while their diplomats struggled to understand what had changed the president’s mind. It became apparent that Reagan had caved into pressure back home – Congress, the State Department and the Pentagon –, with some of that influenced by Saudi lobbying too. The president had been convinced that bombing Iraq had to be done though if an invasion wasn’t going to happen: it would drive the Soviets out of Iraq because they would see how determined the United States was to wipe out Iraq as a regional threat. Reagan promised that care was going to be taken because, like his allies, he didn’t want to see World War Three erupt. Reagan got his way. The Coalition agreed to do what the United States wanted. This was a middle ground between those who just wanted to go into Kuwait only and those who desired sending tanks to Baghdad. The Jeddah Summit broke with friendship on the surface though still with concerns among certain leaders at the wisdom of their allies. For the time being, they were sticking together though. Another good update as always.
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Post by stevep on Sept 2, 2019 14:50:26 GMT
57 – Going north Iraqi losses were significant too desire emerging the winners of that fight.
One small typo I noticed.
Sounds like overall a success for the allies but not as much as they hoped for. More forces have got back than they wished but are likely to be somewhat demoralised and disorganised.
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Post by stevep on Sept 2, 2019 15:05:22 GMT
James Messy but coalition politics always is. One item I noticed missing, possibly because of the disagreement on those war aims is any conditions for ending the war. Since most of the players want to keep Iraq united, even if that probably means its still under Rashid's rule that is something that is really missing. Have there been any terms sent to Rashid at all, other than the initial threats of war if he didn't withdraw from Kuwait? Otherwise neither he nor the Iraqis know what allied plans are. There would have to be some punitive actions as well as a withdrawal from occupied territory without further looting or other excesses. However this might mean that there was some scope for peace and Rashid might be tempted to come to terms if he feared that like Saddam he might be replaced by internal means after such a disaster. - I know this isn't going to happen but its the sort of thing I would expect.
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Post by lordbyron on Sept 2, 2019 15:31:27 GMT
This is reminding me of Threads somewhat...
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Post by James G on Sept 2, 2019 17:48:26 GMT
57 – Going north Iraqi losses were significant too desire emerging the winners of that fight.
One small typo I noticed.
Sounds like overall a success for the allies but not as much as they hoped for. More forces have got back than they wished but are likely to be somewhat demoralised and disorganised.
Fixed: thank you. The Iraqis broke and run quick and left a lot behind. Their offensive capability is shot but those men who made it back, linking up with those who never got south, will be told to dig and hold. The Coalition will have to go through them. James Messy but coalition politics always is. One item I noticed missing, possibly because of the disagreement on those war aims is any conditions for ending the war. Since most of the players want to keep Iraq united, even if that probably means its still under Rashid's rule that is something that is really missing. Have there been any terms sent to Rashid at all, other than the initial threats of war if he didn't withdraw from Kuwait? Otherwise neither he nor the Iraqis know what allied plans are. There would have to be some punitive actions as well as a withdrawal from occupied territory without further looting or other excesses. However this might mean that there was some scope for peace and Rashid might be tempted to come to terms if he feared that like Saddam he might be replaced by internal means after such a disaster. - I know this isn't going to happen but its the sort of thing I would expect.
Steve
I had the Jordanians at the front of a possible peace deal early on but then the Iraqis used gas and the Arab countries walked away. I hadn't thought to add any more than that in. I should have and will see where to fit it in the coming days. It should be done because you're right, it would be done too. In '91, Iraq was given many chances to back out because Western countries will always do that. This is reminding me of Threads somewhat... It will be Threads indeed for many people after a certain day in August 1987 in this story! I have the nuclear attacks - plus most of the conventional war - planned out in my head. getting there keeps taking longer than planned, but we will get there eventually!
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Post by James G on Sept 2, 2019 17:50:47 GMT
59 – Putting bombs into Baghdad
Bandit 18 and Bandit 31 flew missions from their temporary base at RAF Akrotiri in Cyprus about forty minutes apart. Both of the F-117A Nighthawk strike aircraft went via the same route in and out though took different flight paths when over Iraq on their bombing missions against Baghdad. They went through Egyptian and Saudi airspace which made their flights longer than a more direct routing but avoided going over Syria, Lebanon, Israel and Jordan for a variety of military and diplomatic reasons. There was the transfer of fuel in-flight by tankers above Saudi skies with several divert fields assigned too. Landing in Iraq, intact or not, wasn’t something desired so all necessary precautions were taken to avoid the danger of such a thing. The stealth aircraft carried only bombs for their Baghdad mission: no air-to-air nor anti-radar missiles. Their particular shape and the radar-absorbing material which they were covered with were meant to keep the F-117s safe. Iraqi long-range air defence radars didn’t see either aircraft. Nor did the Soviet A-50 airborne radar aircraft flying in Iranian airspace spot them too. However, there were search radars associated with mobile SAM systems which caught faint echoes of first Bandit 31 on the way in and then Bandit 18 on the way out close to an hour afterwards. No missiles were fired though because no fix was gained. Initial Iraqi reports would put these down to ‘ghosts’ before later intelligence from the GRU passed to the Iraqis provided information on some secretive aircraft that the British were letting the Americans base on Cyprus. The ghosts weren’t ghosts but near invisible jets. By that point, it long didn’t matter. Rashid’s capital had been bombed with more important damage done to Baghdad than King Fahd’s Chinese missiles had.
Firing blind into the skies above their capital, the crews of Iraqi anti-aircraft guns and SAM units lofted projectiles following the explosions on the ground. Those aircraft were already on their way out each time though. It was a pointless waste of ordnance. Moreover, it only exposed their positions to a distant American reconnaissance aircraft – a SR-71A Blackbird flying some distance away – which would pass that final confirmation on for the targets of an early morning cruise missile strike. Long before then, there were the first smoking holes in the ground where the Americans attacked Baghdad. The first F-117 strike hit the Iraqi’s main air defence reporting centre. Those Paveway laser-guided bombs employed did as advertised and hit that facility on target. They blew the bunker it was inside to pieces. The Soviets had long suggested that Rashid move this elsewhere, to a better-protected place, but it was still where it had always been and survived previous Iranian attacks. No longer did the place exist nor those who were working there live after Bandit 31 paid a visit. Bandit 18 came in afterwards, once the impotent air defences had fallen silent. The target for this aircraft’s bombs was the Iraqi ministry of defence building. It was night-time but there were people working there. The building was hit multiple times and most of it ruined. One bomb went astray and hit a neighbouring office complex for civilian use. If it had been daytime, hundreds of innocents would have been killed there. Thankfully, the only lives were lost at the government facility instead. The Americans hit the first of many ‘regime targets’ which they intended to blast to smithereens inside Rashid’s capital.
Putting bombs into Baghdad was only a distraction though. CENTCOM still had its long-established air tasking list for targets through both Iraq and occupied Kuwait. Targets at the top of the list weren’t those inside the Iraqi capital. Using F-117s there was a political statement too which Washington wanted to have made to impress upon not just Iraq its air power but the Soviet Union as well. Alongside the political impact, the Americans used the Baghdad bombings to light up Iraqi air defence efforts elsewhere. Across central and western Iraq, their fighters climbed into the sky aiming to go after expected further bombers. They were thus absent from the south of their country and over Kuwait too. It was here that they could have found enemy aircraft, ones which weren’t invisible either. Through the early hours of July 21st – two days after the Jeddah Summit had concluded – the Coalition sent dozens of air missions forward with multiple aircraft involved in each. Their impact was hoped to make a major difference to the fighting occurring further south, back over in Saudi Arabia, and allow for the next stage of the Desert Eagle ground offensive to meet success by hitting the Iraqis hard here behind the frontlines. Further cruise missile strikes, those not targeted on Baghdad, came as well: Tomahawks launched by multiple US Navy warships & submarines flew in alongside all of those Coalition jets.
Airfields were bombed. Air defences were attacked. Command posts were struck. Long-range artillery was targeted. Military traffic along several main roads was shot-up. Radars were blasted. Troop concentrations were under fire.
American, British, Egyptian, Emirati, French, Omani & Saudi aircraft were involved either with the strikes themselves or providing support for them with fighter sweeps and hitting air defences. There were recon flights before and afterwards. Armed & unarmed jamming aircraft ventured forward or stayed in the rear. A pair of US Air Force E-3 aircraft were far back over Saudi Arabia to coordinate the air missions as well as an E-2 flying over the Gulf too: the airborne radar aircraft had battle staffs aboard them who kept things in order. CENTCOM was able to do what it long wanted to do and throw such a major strike against the Iraqis to do them serious damage.
It wasn’t uncontested though. The Iraqis did manage to get some fighters into the sky to the south and they were able to operate better over friendly skies than they had been when going down over the Arabian Peninsula. Several Coalition aircraft were hit and brought down despite the best efforts of AWACS operators to stop Iraqi fighters from doing that. It cost the Iraqis dear when they came off worse even with their successes yet showed that the Iraqi Air Force wasn’t finished. More opposition came from ground defences than fighters too. The Iraqis came under sustained with electronic warfare used against them in addition to direct attack. Nonetheless, they were able to direct the fire of anti-aircraft guns and aim their SAMs. Coalition aircraft were hit and either survived with damage or were brought down / blown up in the sky. Cruise missile strikes hadn’t been as effective as hoped (the Iraqis were rather deceptive with their decoys and dummies) and neither was all of that jamming at times too. It was their tactical, mobile air defences which the Iraqis were able to make much use of rather than the fixed and strategic facilities. They also had some shiny new equipment too, air defence assets which the Coalition was unprepared for. A lone battery of Soviet-supplied SA-15 Gauntlet SAMs was responsible for the loss of a trio of Coalition jets – an Egyptian F-4, an Omani Jaguar and a US Navy A-6 – show down. Such a weapon was brand new in Soviet service with a full roll-out across their own forces nowhere near complete but here in southern Iraq these missiles were in action. The battery crew weren’t Iraqis either. RAF Tornados had a bad time in making low-level attacks against a couple of Iraqi airfields. They came in fast with wings swept back and aimed to scatter area-denial weapons across them. Radar-guided anti-aircraft guns and also shoulder-mounted SAMs – again the very best Soviet gear – engaged them causing the loss of two aircraft and the damaging of three more. Other aircraft were hit by ground defences as well but it was the use of those SA-15s and the RAF loses on such bomb runs which would gain all the post-strike attention.
The Coalition made these air attacks following their witnessing of the withdrawal of the majority of Soviet forces away from the targeted areas. Distant monitoring saw the Soviets pull out most of their aircraft and a lot of their people. This came following communication at the highest level between Washington & Moscow in person and once more over the Hotline too. Confirmation was sought that that this was done following what was in many ways an ultimatum from Reagan to Ligachev to see this happen. The American president had the message delivered that those who stayed faced the ‘high chance’ of ‘accidental engagement’ which would ‘threaten the peace’. Not everyone thought that the new Soviet general secretary would back down and there were discussions underway as to what to do should Ligachev call Reagan’s bluff, but then the pull out began. They didn’t go far though. There was no cutting and running to leave Iraq high and dry. Instead, there was a redeployment within Iraq of those Soviet forces which had spent months putting themselves in the way of things. What was going on behind the scenes in Moscow and also with Iraqi-Soviet relations over this wasn’t known. All that could be seen was the redeployment. It wasn’t from everywhere though. CENTCOM targeteers had Ar Rumaylah Airbase long in their sights and had been planning to bomb it for a while. This facility was located near to Basra and was quite the airbase. The Iraqis had made much use of it during their invasion of Kuwait. The Soviets had showed up there too. They were using Ar Rumaylah to support their naval air activities out over the Gulf. From here, the Soviets didn’t depart when comrades operating from elsewhere redeployed away to the north. In addition, the Iraqi naval base at Umm Qasr was also still home to several Soviet ships including that amphibious group of theirs, presumably still with the hundreds of naval infantrymen and their vehicles (no satellite images had seen the men nor tanks come off) aboard. Ar Rumaylah and Umm Qasr were thus for now no-go zones for Coalition air strikes. There were too many Soviets at them and, despite much bluster, the Coalition’s leaders – those from the Western countries especially – were not prepared to purposely kill them and see the consequences that that would entail.
Once the morning came, the big air attacks ceased. No longer were multi-aircraft strike packages flying those heavy bomb runs. However, this wasn’t the end of Coalition air attacks. There was fighting on the ground in the hours of darkness and some of that continued into the day. Smaller strikes, those with a more tactical focus, went on in response to that and to aid the planned engagements taking place in the desert which would happen once darkness fell once more. The big strike packages would be back again too. Reconnaissance efforts would be made to determine what needed to be hit again and there too would be attack missions flown looking for targets of opportunity: military convoys and any of those suspected Scud launchers. The Coalition never had any intention of just making this the one night of air attacks.
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Post by James G on Sept 2, 2019 19:14:10 GMT
60 – Desert Eagle
The Third United States Army had moved up to the border area in the north of Saudi Arabia. Under American command, all Coalition ground troops not engaged in the ongoing Riyadh mission nor in distant security duties, were part of the Third Army as they fought with the Iraqis here. There had been a delay in major combat operations, while the transfer north was made but the fight was now back on. The Egyptians were on the left (to the west), US Marines with the I MAF (including British troops) were next in line, then there were the Saudi & GCC troops before the US XVIII Airborne Corps (the French among them) was on the right next to the coast. It was quite the assembled force. Most of those Coalition troops here had already seen action or been close enough to it to consider themselves almost veterans. They’d come a long way to get this far: from overseas for most of them and then retaken the majority of the eastern side of Saudi Arabia. Their mission now was to complete that job before then moving into Kuwait too. Iraqi forces with the reorganised Southern Army faced them. These were those who’d survived the defeat to the south and those who hadn’t made it that far before the big retreat come. For several days they’d been digging-in, trying to establish shelter in the sand. Morale was still good though defeats had taken their toll on many. There was less eagerness in them to fight than there had been before. General Hamdani had organised his troops as well he could. He had his best troops to the west, near to Hafar al Batin, with the I Corps. That wasn’t by choice: Egyptian moves had kept them pinned in place as much as Coalition air strikes had. Stretching eastwards was first the VIII Corps in the middle of the desert and then VII Corps near to the sea with the forwardmost positions at Al Mish’ab though Khafji was the real centre of their defences. Each corps command – the armour-heavy I Corps and the two others mostly of infantry yet still with some tanks – had been joined by men who escaped from the south. Behind the Southern Army, just inside Kuwait, was the IX Corps… and that name was an unfunny joke. Hamdani’s reserves were nothing more than a second-rate tank division and some independent motorised infantry brigades. Both sides had drawn up their forces and went to battle that night the first big air attacks on Iraq proper started.
The Egyptian Expeditionary Corps and the I MAF attacked in the west. The Iraqi I Corps was outnumbered and not in the best of shape. Artillery fire from each pounded the other with varying degrees of success. Aircraft (almost all Coalition ones) played their role above. On the ground, tanks and armoured vehicles moved forward alongside infantry. The Iraqis were generally immobile. This more than anything would contribute to the Coalition victory. Their men fought hard but couldn’t deal with an enemy that had the advantage of manoeuvre. The Egyptian Republican Guard Division, the US 1st Marine Division and the two British brigades all came at them on the move. Weapons were fired at the steel beasts and some success was had, but Iraqi accuracy was poor in the darkness. Opening fire brought back a flurry of counterfire too. The Coalition kept pouring that on, smashing the Iraqis to pieces with quite the intensity. Then, only when they were ready after getting their infantry units into place, did they unleash their full might. Iraqi trenches were assaulted from the flanks and behind rather than head-on. The little fuel that the Iraqi tanks had was used to keep them in operation to fire their cannons rather than rush forward to save their own infantry. Soldiers with the I Corps were stuck where they were. Many horrible scenes were witnessed in such close-up fighting. Several times, when the trapped Iraqis wouldn’t yield, and their own casualties mounted, the Coalition troops would be ordered back to allow for more pounding of them with stand-off weapons before they went back in. British Royal Marines, Paras and Gurkhas all saw their first taste of battle around Hafar al Batin after the 3rd Commando Brigade had previously been unused during the coastal assaults. The I MAF wanted them involved here because of their training to do this – envisioned for other battlefields it must be said – but threw in their own US Marines as well. The 24th Infantry Brigade missed much of that and focused on linking-up with the Egyptians behind the frontlines after the tanks of both armies had driven deep. They were trying to surround the Iraqis in a giant pocket, ‘winning the war’ here. That was too much of an ask when it came to going that far forward as the Iraqis had littered the rear with mines and also semi-mobile anti-tank guns. A retreat was made by I Corps elements that could get away. Coalition forces were unable to stop it but did enough damage to make sure that those who got away from the battlefield were shot-up. It would be dawn before the pincers in the rear were fully able to shut closed. By then, about half of the Iraqi I Corps was destroyed. Coalition casualties were high though, much higher than pre-attack projections had been. They could fight again but it wouldn’t be straight away. The next fight was certain to be right on the Iraqi-Saudi border.
The pan-Arab corps and the XVIII Corps took significant artillery fire during their attacks closer to the sea. Iraqi heavy guns targeted them from deep in the rear, right back in Kuwait. Those were self-propelled GC-45s which were disguised for what they were. These monster howitzers were products of the mind of a Canadian citizen named Gerald Bull. A man with big idea, Bull was a mercenary for South Africa before Iraq. Saddam had wanted him to build him a big gun, a supergun in fact, though Rashid was instead happy enough with the Austrian-produced GC-45s (the arms embargo on Iraq had been flouted outrageously!) that Bull had designed: that engineer was currently being detained near to Baghdad while Rashid made his mind up what to do with him. Now, those guns… they launched 155mm high-explosive shells accurately into Coalition positions. Being under their fire wasn’t fun at all. The Americans didn’t have the reach to fire back with their own guns though helicopters gunships and also US Air Force A-10s were flying on missions to hut them down. Troops from Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Arab Monarchies had to suffer without being able to hit back. The artillery was the best defence that the Iraqis had to try and stop the advance being made. The huge fires that they lit among oilfields and oil infrastructure did little to slow down those advancing towards Kuwait. American and French armour made the main push with infantry in support. Iraqi defensive lines were shattered with their VII Corps prised apart while the VIII Corps had its flank ripped open as their frontage was assailed by their fellow Arabs. The night-time fighting broke the Iraqis. The Americans & French reached Al Mish’ab first and then the outskirts of Khafji before got light. Under higher orders, despite the heat of the morning, the 3rd Cav’ then went past Khafji before that coastal town was taken. They raced for the Kuwaiti border. Iraqi minefields and anti-tank ditches on a scale not foreseen eventually stopped them but they ended up only just short of that frontier. Losses had been taken, significant casualties inflicted, but the Iraqis had been overcome. Most of their VII Corps was crushed in a single night with the VIII Corps now being enveloped from three sides.
The Iraqi Southern Army had lost this fight like it had eventually lost the others beforehand. They still had men in the field who were capable of further resistance but that wasn’t going to last long. The Third US Army had broken into their rear. Those improvised defences which they met there weren’t going to stop them once they took them to task especially since the Iraqis couldn’t cover the minefields, anti-tank ditches and demolitions with troops & tanks. Another night of the advance was needed, but after that, the Coalition was going to enter Kuwait as Desert Eagle continued onwards. In addition, the Third Army had the political permission to go through Iraqi territory west of Kuwait while liberating that smaller country too. Kuwait was being rammed full of more troops – those convoys shot-up by Coalition aircraft was part of that – but very few men were deployed on the other side of the border to cover their inland flank. Rashid had the belief that the Coalition wouldn’t dare invade his nation…
…but dare to do just that they intended to.
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Post by stevep on Sept 3, 2019 9:02:37 GMT
59 – Putting bombs into Baghdad Nor did the Soviet A-50 airborne radar aircraft flying in Iranian airspace didn’t spot them. - got a double negative here. Possibly the didn't was an accident? It cost the Iraqis deal when they came off worse even with their successes yet showed that the Iraqi Air Force wasn’t finished. Presumably should have been dear or dearly here?
Noticed a couple of small typos, see above.
Well the pressure is building up and despite Soviet support Iraq is suffering a lot. However as you say its going to be bloody for everybody.
Does the decision to back down over Ar Rumaylah Airbase have a significant impact on Moscow's actions or are they already pretty much committed to attacking Europe?
Since Jordan is an active ally is there a reason why the F-117 don't use the shorter route through it? Possibly because that might have been it would have required overflying Israel or that Jordan actually has a border with Iraq?
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Post by stevep on Sept 3, 2019 9:23:06 GMT
Well bloody but effective. The Iraqi forces inside Saudi have been just about destroyed as a fighting force. The ones in Kuwait will probably be weaker in quality but there will be a lot and a fair number will be dug in in Kuwait city itself which will restricted allied abilities as they will want to avoid civilian casualties among the populations their trying to liberate.
Sounds like Rashid is in for a very unpleasant surprise however.
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Post by stevep on Sept 3, 2019 9:54:37 GMT
James Messy but coalition politics always is. One item I noticed missing, possibly because of the disagreement on those war aims is any conditions for ending the war. Since most of the players want to keep Iraq united, even if that probably means its still under Rashid's rule that is something that is really missing. Have there been any terms sent to Rashid at all, other than the initial threats of war if he didn't withdraw from Kuwait? Otherwise neither he nor the Iraqis know what allied plans are. There would have to be some punitive actions as well as a withdrawal from occupied territory without further looting or other excesses. However this might mean that there was some scope for peace and Rashid might be tempted to come to terms if he feared that like Saddam he might be replaced by internal means after such a disaster. - I know this isn't going to happen but its the sort of thing I would expect.
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I had the Jordanians at the front of a possible peace deal early on but then the Iraqis used gas and the Arab countries walked away. I hadn't thought to add any more than that in. I should have and will see where to fit it in the coming days. It should be done because you're right, it would be done too. In '91, Iraq was given many chances to back out because Western countries will always do that.
James
OK thanks. Had forgotten about that.
Steve
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Post by James G on Sept 3, 2019 19:16:38 GMT
59 – Putting bombs into Baghdad Nor did the Soviet A-50 airborne radar aircraft flying in Iranian airspace didn’t spot them. - got a double negative here. Possibly the didn't was an accident? It cost the Iraqis deal when they came off worse even with their successes yet showed that the Iraqi Air Force wasn’t finished. Presumably should have been dear or dearly here?
Noticed a couple of small typos, see above.
Well the pressure is building up and despite Soviet support Iraq is suffering a lot. However as you say its going to be bloody for everybody.
Does the decision to back down over Ar Rumaylah Airbase have a significant impact on Moscow's actions or are they already pretty much committed to attacking Europe?
Since Jordan is an active ally is there a reason why the F-117 don't use the shorter route through it? Possibly because that might have been it would have required overflying Israel or that Jordan actually has a border with Iraq?
Typos fixed, thanks. They aren't committed to attacking Europe: they really don't want war. But they have an insurance plan which locks them in. Jordan isn't in the Coalition. They would rather keep the Jordanians out to be honest. Going the long way around does that and also keeps the Isarelis from getting a look at the F-117s: though they probably know all about it anyway. (Coalition: US, UK, France, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, UAE, Oman, Egypt, Morocco, Australia, Canada... and probably some others too) Well bloody but effective. The Iraqi forces inside Saudi have been just about destroyed as a fighting force. The ones in Kuwait will probably be weaker in quality but there will be a lot and a fair number will be dug in in Kuwait city itself which will restricted allied abilities as they will want to avoid civilian casualties among the populations their trying to liberate.
Sounds like Rashid is in for a very unpleasant surprise however.
Kuwait will be a bloodbath. Coalition tanks and airborne troops will try to isolate it but this won't be easy. Fighting in his own soil isn't something Rashid thinks he will have to do!
James
OK thanks. Had forgotten about that.
Steve
So had I. I had to look it up.
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Post by James G on Sept 3, 2019 19:17:01 GMT
61 – A gentle step backwards
It was a decision made by the Politburo as a whole to take a gentle step backwards when it came to the deployment of their forces inside Iraq. Unanimously, they voted to redeploy the majority of their air units away from what were soon to be the frontlines in that country. They did so in the face of what they agreed was unparalleled American aggression. The threats which had come from the United States meant that it was wise to do so. No one here in Moscow wanted war, not over a matter like this. They were given a military briefing before they met and many of those who witnessed that were rather surprised at how far forward Soviet forces were. Nothing was said openly on this though. In private meetings later, just like the ones before the vote where everything had already been decided, that would be something raised. Was it wise to have put themselves in this position? That was something that would be asked in earnest. The redeployment orders went out long before those later meetings and it was something that was done with haste. The Politburo had made the decision and it was an instruction followed by their forces in the field. It wasn’t that difficult to do either because, apart from two main facilities, what was being used in infrastructure terms down in Iraq was all being used on a temporary basis. Overnight, aircraft stopped using certain airbases and airspace while advisers & liaisons took a truck ride northwards.
When meeting in the Kremlin together, the leadership of the Soviet Union discussed related factors to that message from Washington saying that their forces inside Iraq risked attack with resulting deaths coming if they remained where they were in an active warzone. ‘Cowboy Reagan’ was doing other things apart from issuing threats like that. There was the ongoing military aggression reported taking place at sea in various parts of the world. The Politburo was informed that in the Atlantic and the Pacific Oceans, the Americans were doing what they had been doing in the Persian Gulf: making overt mock attacks against Soviet ships and submarines. The manner in which this was presented to them only told one side of the story though. It left out that their own aircraft, ships & submarines were doing the same to the Americans. On this point, there was a wide awareness already on this but it was repeated to them. There was also the issue of Exercise REFORGER.
REFORGER ’87 – being called Operation Certain Strike by the Americans this year – was the annual practice where the US Armed Forces deployed significant forces to Western Europe. REFORGER (REturn of FORces to GERmany) took place in September of each year and saw the arrival in West Germany of large forces for exercises before they returned home the following month. It was a process long planned out for those involved with a big logistical effort made before, during and after the deployment. Certain Strike (as was the case with the ones undertaken in previous years) was a live preparation for what the Americans would do either in wartime or if they believed that war was imminent. Nothing was surprising about them doing it this September. Soviet and Eastern Bloc propaganda would denounce it but that was par for the course. What was different this year was the size of REFORGER ’87. The Americans were increasing their deployment to make it almost twice as large as it had been before the Second Gulf War erupted. They were already engaged in that conflict where they had a major deployment of forces and were now going to make the effort to flood Western Europe with even more. Public comments made by political figures in Washington confirmed what those in Moscow suspected. This exercise was as large as it was to send a message to the Soviet leadership that despite the ongoing war against Iraq, the United States was ready if necessary to be in a position to fight in Europe too. Coming from the East Germans initially, the KGB had now confirmed information that the Americans were telling the West Germans that once Certain Strike came to a conclusion with their planned in-the-field exercises, they intended to leave elements of those brought in where they were. How long that would be the case that they would have a full division of troops and two wings of combat aircraft in West Germany was unknown for now as well as the details on basing.
The Politburo didn’t act at once on this revelation when it was presented to them. At the suggestion of Chebrikov, Ligachev proposed that this be something considered individually by the leadership before they met again several days later. More information would be sought on the matter and ideas should be formed. It was something that wasn’t going to be acted upon in an instant. They’d talk again soon enough.
While the Soviets were watching American military actions and considering how to respond, NATO was doing the same when it came to intelligence which had come out of Poland about their activities. Initial French information which came from an ongoing military espionage operation was something that the United States was able to confirmed through what was called ‘national technical means’ when they spoke to their partners in NATO: they meant that had confirmed what had come from Paris using their satellites.
Far beyond the line down the middle of the continent which was the Iron Curtain, in what the Soviets believed that was out of sight of watching eyes, they had moved those troops of theirs into Poland. Unlike Certain Strike, this was no openly declared military exercise but it was one just the same even without being called that in public. There was that tank corps – an expansion of a motorised rifle division out of the Belorussian Military District – and also a pair of airborne divisions too. The number of forces involved was about two thirds of what the Americans were sending in their beefed-up REFORGER. It wasn’t as if they were flooding Poland with troops. However, the action was taken covertly. There was nothing regular in what the Soviets were doing here. They were up to something.
NATO representatives met on a consistent basis in Brussels as part of their Military Committee. Discussions were had on this matter when Reagan, Thatcher, Mitterrand and other Coalition leaders were at the Jeddah Summit. Foreign & defence ministers thus assembled when the Military Committee gathered. Information was presented to them and confirmation given. The question was posed as to what would be done in response. No one was quite sure yet what that would be but it was decided that it was something that couldn’t be ignored. It would be put to their leaders and the wider NATO organisation. The American secretary of defence was at that meeting. He was in Europe and had come direct from Bonn where he had been talking to the West Germans about the issue that an East German spy had passed on: that being keeping American forces deployed to Western Europe for their scheduled exercise on the continent after those finished. Those had been talks about doing so, nothing had been decided. Following the uncovering of the secret Soviet military deployment made to Poland, he was convinced that when he got back to Washington, it would be something now approved.
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