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Post by simon darkshade on Feb 20, 2020 10:25:53 GMT
Steve
Thank you for the kind sentiments. I’ll outline a few more of the references in due course as is customary. There will be a bit more from Lethbridge-Stewart.
The exercise is very large and Tom won’t get the full scale until the end.
Tom’s mistake will chase him for a while, at least until something else comes along.
Delhi is flexing its independent muscles as part of internal political machinations. Some elements want to engage in Europe, others wish to concentrate elsewhere. Their withdrawal isn’t so much a surprise as an issue where expressing any sort of opinion would result in trouble.
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Post by simon darkshade on Feb 20, 2020 15:31:22 GMT
The OPFOR for Warhammer is the reinforced 1st German Feldarmee, which deploys a total of 12 regular and 6 reserve/territorial divisions, but represents a force twice that strength. This is to test the capacity of the BAOR to halt and defeat a force that outnumbers it 3:1, which is considered to be the minimum odds it would face. The exercise is scheduled to last 6 days and will not include the simulation of tactical nuclear release. The Silver Force will be allowed to return 'destroyed' land units and aircraft to the battle to simulate the reinforcements available to the Soviets.
The German Army is in a period of change:
- The eight divisions of the Territorialheer have been transferred to the Reserveheer, forming an additional two corps. Each division is to field 6 Jager, 4 Panzergrenadier and 2 Panzer battalions, the latter to be equipped with M-48s
- The Territorialheer fields 120 VBKs/regiments for a dedicated home defence/rear combat mission
- It is approximately halfway through the replacement of the ~4100 M-48 MBTs in regular army service with Panther IIs
- The ~1000 M-41 light tanks of the heavy and medium reconnaissance battalions have been replaced with Jaguar light tanks, which are 25t vehicles with composite armour and 90mm guns.
- Germany's MBT, the Panther II, is to be upgunned with a licenced version of the British 125mm tank gun and protection is to be enhanced with additional composite armour.
- The 105mm has been replaced in all except the 2 Fallschirmjager divisions with 150mm SP or towed guns.
- A new AIFV, the Leopard, is under development which will be rather more capable than the Marder.
- It will be accompanied by a general purpose APC akin to the M113
- Germany and Austria-Hungary are cooperating on the development of a new MBT that would replace the Panther IIs and Tiger IIIs. Suggestions for names and characteristics are welcome.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 20, 2020 15:37:12 GMT
The OPFOR for Warhammer is the reinforced 1st German Feldarmee, which deploys a total of 12 regular and 6 reserve/territorial divisions, but represents a force twice that strength. This is to test the capacity of the BAOR to halt and defeat a force that outnumbers it 3:1, which is considered to be the minimum odds it would face. The exercise is scheduled to last 6 days and will not include the simulation of tactical nuclear release. The Silver Force will be allowed to return 'destroyed' land units and aircraft to the battle to simulate the reinforcements available to the Soviets. The German Army is in a period of change: - The eight divisions of the Territorialheer have been transferred to the Reserveheer, forming an additional two corps. Each division is to field 6 Jager, 4 Panzergrenadier and 2 Panzer battalions, the latter to be equipped with M-48s What is the difference between the Territorialheer and the Reserveheer. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Feb 20, 2020 15:44:38 GMT
The Reserveheer has actual field divisions, whereas the Territorialheer is a purely home/local/rear defence organisation.
It is quite possible that the active Heer may reduce its strength from 32 to 24 divisions (essentially, shifting the 8 Jager divisions to reserve) should the right circumstances occur, but as of 1963 (Exercise Warhammer) and even 1965 (the most advanced date of the timeline), there haven't been the requisite reduction of international tensions + improved equipment + improved Allied/NATO divisions to permit it.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 20, 2020 16:20:54 GMT
- Germany and Austria-Hungary are cooperating on the development of a new MBT that would replace the Panther IIs and Tiger IIIs. Suggestions for names and characteristics are welcome. Leopard, Cheetah, Cougar are the names that pop up in my head. Also is AH using its own tanks ore British tanks. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Feb 20, 2020 17:08:23 GMT
The Leopard is the future German Army AIFV, with the other two do have potential merit. I chose to not use Leopard as a tank name in order to get a fuller sense of differentiation between Dark Earth and Earth; having the same designations and names can add to the jarring confusion in some ways.
Austria-Hungary is equipped with Centurions (~1800) and their own Panzer 60s (~2200), built by a consortium of Skoda, Steyr-Daimler-Puch and Manfred Weiss. It is a 56t MBT with a 120mm gun and 375mm of conventional frontal armour.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 20, 2020 17:14:38 GMT
The Leopard is the future German Army AIFV, with the other two do have potential merit. I chose to not use Leopard as a tank name in order to get a fuller sense of differentiation between Dark Earth and Earth; having the same designations and names can add to the jarring confusion in some ways. Austria-Hungary is equipped with Centurions (~1800) and their own Panzer 60s (~2200), built by a consortium of Skoda, Steyr-Daimler-Puch and Manfred Weiss. It is a 56t MBT with a 120mm gun and 375mm of conventional frontal armour. So it has to be a name that is good for Germany and AH. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Feb 20, 2020 17:39:17 GMT
It may not necessarily have the same name, but if it works, it would be ideal.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 20, 2020 17:43:31 GMT
It may not necessarily have the same name, but if it works, it would be ideal. What about Kürassier, it is a name used in a OTL Austria light tank while also a name used by Garde-Kürassier-Regiment. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Feb 20, 2020 18:30:46 GMT
That may be easily confused with actual cuirassiers that remain in ceremonial service.
The current options:
Lion/Lowe: Strong name, but perhaps too similar to the Gloster Lion fighter and the Italian Leone tank.
Puma
Gepard: The English translation may be unfortunate
Lynx/Luchs
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Post by lordroel on Feb 20, 2020 18:36:12 GMT
That may be easily confused with actual cuirassiers that remain in ceremonial service. The current options: Lion/Lowe: Strong name, but perhaps too similar to the Gloster Lion fighter and the Italian Leone tank. Puma Gepard: The English translation may be unfortunate Lynx/Luchs Lynx/Luchs are more names for armored cars. |
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Post by stevep on Feb 21, 2020 11:36:27 GMT
The Reserveheer has actual field divisions, whereas the Territorialheer is a purely home/local/rear defence organisation. It is quite possible that the active Heer may reduce its strength from 32 to 24 divisions (essentially, shifting the 8 Jager divisions to reserve) should the right circumstances occur, but as of 1963 (Exercise Warhammer) and even 1965 (the most advanced date of the timeline), there haven't been the requisite reduction of international tensions + improved equipment + improved Allied/NATO divisions to permit it.
Having read the exchange between you and Lordroel I'm guessing that the other two big cats, i.e. Tiger and Leopold are unacceptable because of links to Nazi Germany? Could they possibly move from a big cat? Say an Eagle as that used to be the symbol of the empire, although that would be more associated with aircraft? Or possibly some variant or Bear or Boar as those are both large dangerous animals associated with Europe. Plus their not predators so that might be more acceptable to a Germany that is still distinctly post-war. Just a few suggestions that might be alternatives. Or go from cat to dog with Wolf?
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Post by lordroel on Feb 21, 2020 12:08:51 GMT
The Reserveheer has actual field divisions, whereas the Territorialheer is a purely home/local/rear defence organisation. It is quite possible that the active Heer may reduce its strength from 32 to 24 divisions (essentially, shifting the 8 Jager divisions to reserve) should the right circumstances occur, but as of 1963 (Exercise Warhammer) and even 1965 (the most advanced date of the timeline), there haven't been the requisite reduction of international tensions + improved equipment + improved Allied/NATO divisions to permit it. Having read the exchange between you and Lordroel I'm guessing that the other two big cats, i.e. Tiger and Leopold are unacceptable because of links to Nazi Germany? Could they possibly move from a big cat? Say an Eagle as that used to be the symbol of the empire, although that would be more associated with aircraft? Or possibly some variant or Bear or Boar as those are both large dangerous animals associated with Europe. Plus their not predators so that might be more acceptable to a Germany that is still distinctly post-war. Just a few suggestions that might be alternatives. Or go from cat to dog with Wolf? Steve
The Germans if I am correct still use Tiger and Panther names for their tanks, so doubt it is due to having a link to Nazi Germany but more funding a fitting name for a new MTB for both AH and Germany. |
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Post by stevep on Feb 21, 2020 12:58:11 GMT
Having read the exchange between you and Lordroel I'm guessing that the other two big cats, i.e. Tiger and Leopold are unacceptable because of links to Nazi Germany? Could they possibly move from a big cat? Say an Eagle as that used to be the symbol of the empire, although that would be more associated with aircraft? Or possibly some variant or Bear or Boar as those are both large dangerous animals associated with Europe. Plus their not predators so that might be more acceptable to a Germany that is still distinctly post-war. Just a few suggestions that might be alternatives. Or go from cat to dog with Wolf? Steve
The Germans if I am correct still use Tiger and Panther names for their tanks, so doubt it is due to having a link to Nazi Germany but more funding a fitting name for a new MTB for both AH and Germany.
OK missed that but then possibly the options I suggest could still be possibilities.
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Post by simon darkshade on Feb 21, 2020 16:37:41 GMT
The Wolf is already a wheeled APC. Bears and Boars will appear in due course.
Currently, it will probably be a a Panther or Lion.
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