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Post by lordroel on Feb 21, 2020 16:41:24 GMT
The Wolf is already a wheeled APC. Bears and Boars will appear in due course. Currently, it will probably be a a Panther or Lion. So it will be a Panther III ore Löwe I, both good names. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Feb 23, 2020 10:37:41 GMT
It would be a Lion/Lowe II.
German Army command:
Chief of the General Staff: Field Marshal Erwin Rommel
Deputy Chief of the General Staff: Field Marshal Hans Spiedel
1st Field Army: Field Marshal Kurt Steiner
2nd Field Army: Field Marshal Walter Wenck
Berlin Command: Generaloberst Heinrich von Behr
Strategic Reserve Command: Generaloberst Rudolf Christoph Freiherr von Gersdorff
Alpenkorps: Generaleutnant Leo Hepp
Schleswig-Holstein Command: Generaleutnant Harald von Hirschfeld
German Army Command, South Vietnam: General Heinrich Trettner
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Post by lordroel on Feb 23, 2020 10:41:09 GMT
It would be a Lion/Lowe II. German Army command: Chief of the General Staff: Field Marshal Erwin Rommel Deputy Chief of the General Staff: Field Marshal Hans Spiedel 1st Field Army: Field Marshal Kurt Steiner 2nd Field Army: Field Marshal Walter Wenck Berlin Command: Generaloberst Heinrich von Behr Strategic Reserve Command: Generaloberst Rudolf Christoph Freiherr von Gersdorff Alpenkorps: Generaleutnant Leo Hepp Schleswig-Holstein Command: Generaleutnant Harald von Hirschfeld German Army Command, South Vietnam: General Heinrich Trettner Nice to see Rommel here. Do the Germans still give titles away. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Feb 23, 2020 11:48:15 GMT
There are still noble/honourific titles given, albeit very, very rarely since the Second World War.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 23, 2020 12:08:24 GMT
There are still noble/honourific titles given, albeit very, very rarely since the Second World War. Toughed Rommel would have a tittle as well. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Feb 23, 2020 14:08:44 GMT
He is in the position he is at the moment by virtue of a number of quite fortuitous events, having been away from North Africa when El Alamein took place and then being captured by Allied special forces in Normandy. He wasn't a hereditary aristocrat and such ranks aren't given out in Germany apart from at the express personal intervention of the Kaiser. Rommel declined enoblement in the 1950s, but may become Erwin von Rommel when he retires.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 23, 2020 14:13:26 GMT
He is in the position he is at the moment by virtue of a number of quite fortuitous events, having been away from North Africa when El Alamein took place and then being captured by Allied special forces in Normandy. He wasn't a hereditary aristocrat and such ranks aren't given out in Germany apart from at the express personal intervention of the Kaiser. Rommel declined enoblement in the 1950s, but may become Erwin von Rommel when he retires. So did the July 20th plot also happen then in the Darkearth verse where Rommel being in the hands of the allies did not need to commit suicide. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Feb 23, 2020 14:39:27 GMT
There were plenty of attempts to kill Hitler, including the July 20th plot. It failed due to Hitler's rather more expansive supernatural defences and some of the more disturbing characters around him, but did lead to a paroxysm of vengeance upon any and all presumed enemies. Rommel, having been captured, avoided that net.
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Post by simon darkshade on Feb 24, 2020 6:35:30 GMT
Notes on Chapters 6 and 7:
- The Harriers have bayonets attached as part of an ongoing joke at the Army’s expense.
- “Tommyhawks” is the pejorative slang term used by the RAF for the RFC.
- The RFC is trying to make an argument that it should operate Harriers.
- The Bristol Bulldog is similar in some ways to the UH-1 Iroquois in performance.
- One of the key elements in Tom’s musing is his correct wondering how armed helicopters will cope with a Central European battlefield filled with short range AA guns and missiles.
- The capacity provided by the Rotodyne (500 miles combat range at 320mph) makes it very useful in the Middle East, Africa and the Far East.
- The entire sequence regarding dragons and their employment over the battlefield is a misdirection.
- Attitudes to the Germans are mixed, depending on generations.
- Austin Champion = Austin Champ. They are used in a similar role to jeeps.
- Territorial Army reinforcements provide significant increases to the strength and lethality of regular divisions, with 4 infantry battalions providing LOC security, 2 AA regiments adding 128 twin 40mm Bofors SPAAGs to the divisions defences, a full RMGC battalion and engineers, signals, MPs, REMEs and pioneers.
- Each British division has sufficient firepower and capability to take on 5-6 Soviet divisions comfortably.
- Commonwealth brigades add even more to each corps.
- Lethbridge-Stewart’s reflections on Chieftains and 125mm Light Guns are broadly correct.
- His emphasis on combined arms reflects the dominant thinking in the British Army.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 24, 2020 8:41:32 GMT
- Each British division has sufficient firepower and capability to take on 5-6 Soviet divisions comfortably. Is that how the British feel about it ore a general fact, doubt the Soviet will agree with this. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Feb 24, 2020 10:27:56 GMT
It is a general fact.
The Soviets have the issue of their main frontline tank not being present in sufficient numbers yet. The T-64s are being fielded first in the Western Theatre’s 42 tank divisions. Once those 13,440 MBTs are present and the T-54/55s are replaced in the 66 motor rifle divisions, 8 independent motor rifle regiments and 8 Mechanised Corps (~14,000 T-62s), their situation will be better. The Red Army is developing what will become the BMP-1, BTR-70, Mi-24 and various artillery systems, but the West isn’t standing still.
A British armoured division fields 432 Chieftains, 384 FV-432 Saxons, 120 self propelled artillery pieces (96 25pdr and 24 152), 64 SPAAGs, 32 SAMs, 96 4.5” SP mortars and over two hundred Vickers Vigilant ATGM launchers. This gives that edge of 5-6:1.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 24, 2020 10:32:53 GMT
It is a general fact. The Soviets have the issue of their main frontline tank not being present in sufficient numbers yet. The T-64s are being fielded first in the Western Theatre’s 42 tank divisions. Once those 13,440 MBTs are present and the T-54/55s are replaced in the 66 motor rifle divisions, 8 independent motor rifle regiments and 8 Mechanised Corps (~14,000 T-62s), their situation will be better. The Red Army is developing what will become the BMP-1, BTR-70, Mi-24 and various artillery systems, but the West isn’t standing still. A British armoured division fields 432 Chieftains, 384 FV-432 Saxons, 120 self propelled artillery pieces (96 25pdr and 24 152), 64 SPAAGs, 32 SAMs, 96 4.5” SP mortars and over two hundred Vickers Vigilant ATGM launchers. This gives that edge of 5-6:1. So in time the Soviet Army might have divisions who can go head to head with a British Army division. |
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Post by stevep on Feb 24, 2020 10:48:11 GMT
Notes on Chapters 6 and 7: - The Harriers have bayonets attached as part of an ongoing joke at the Army’s expense. - “Tommyhawks” is the pejorative slang term used by the RAF for the RFC. - The RFC is trying to make an argument that it should operate Harriers. - The Bristol Bulldog is similar in some ways to the UH-1 Iroquois in performance. - One of the key elements in Tom’s musing is his correct wondering how armed helicopters will cope with a Central European battlefield filled with short range AA guns and missiles. - The capacity provided by the Rotodyne (500 miles combat range at 320mph) makes it very useful in the Middle East, Africa and the Far East. - The entire sequence regarding dragons and their employment over the battlefield is a misdirection. - Attitudes to the Germans are mixed, depending on generations. - Austin Champion = Austin Champ. They are used in a similar role to jeeps. - Territorial Army reinforcements provide significant increases to the strength and lethality of regular divisions, with 4 infantry battalions providing LOC security, 2 AA regiments adding 128 twin 40mm Bofors SPAAGs to the divisions defences, a full RMGC battalion and engineers, signals, MPs, REMEs and pioneers. - Each British division has sufficient firepower and capability to take on 5-6 Soviet divisions comfortably.- Commonwealth brigades add even more to each corps. - Lethbridge-Stewart’s reflections on Chieftains and 125mm Light Guns are broadly correct. - His emphasis on combined arms reflects the dominant thinking in the British Army.
Which suggests their purpose in a war would be something totally different. Will we find out at some point?
That is a hell of a qualitative edge. As you say later that may not survive but does do a hell of a lot to balance the numbers the Soviets have initially. - I say initially because overall I presume the west has a greater overall population to call upon, especially with all of Germany and the Hapsburg empire in the western rather than eastern bloc. In a longer battle the Soviets would surely lose.
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Post by simon darkshade on Feb 24, 2020 10:53:51 GMT
No, they won’t. The British have an edge in equipment, technology, airpower, training and communications. They have to be of elite quality, whereas the Soviets do have numbers. Even as the Soviets catch up, the British/Americans/Germans/French/Canadians/Benelux forces will not stand still and have some very powerful advantages in artillery, tanks, missiles, air defence and infantry fighting vehicles.
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Post by simon darkshade on Feb 24, 2020 11:59:10 GMT
Notes on Chapters 6 and 7: - The Harriers have bayonets attached as part of an ongoing joke at the Army’s expense. - “Tommyhawks” is the pejorative slang term used by the RAF for the RFC. - The RFC is trying to make an argument that it should operate Harriers. - The Bristol Bulldog is similar in some ways to the UH-1 Iroquois in performance. - One of the key elements in Tom’s musing is his correct wondering how armed helicopters will cope with a Central European battlefield filled with short range AA guns and missiles. - The capacity provided by the Rotodyne (500 miles combat range at 320mph) makes it very useful in the Middle East, Africa and the Far East. - The entire sequence regarding dragons and their employment over the battlefield is a misdirection. - Attitudes to the Germans are mixed, depending on generations. - Austin Champion = Austin Champ. They are used in a similar role to jeeps. - Territorial Army reinforcements provide significant increases to the strength and lethality of regular divisions, with 4 infantry battalions providing LOC security, 2 AA regiments adding 128 twin 40mm Bofors SPAAGs to the divisions defences, a full RMGC battalion and engineers, signals, MPs, REMEs and pioneers. - Each British division has sufficient firepower and capability to take on 5-6 Soviet divisions comfortably.- Commonwealth brigades add even more to each corps. - Lethbridge-Stewart’s reflections on Chieftains and 125mm Light Guns are broadly correct. - His emphasis on combined arms reflects the dominant thinking in the British Army.
Which suggests their purpose in a war would be something totally different. Will we find out at some point?
That is a hell of a qualitative edge. As you say later that may not survive but does do a hell of a lot to balance the numbers the Soviets have initially. - I say initially because overall I presume the west has a greater overall population to call upon, especially with all of Germany and the Hapsburg empire in the western rather than eastern bloc. In a longer battle the Soviets would surely lose.
Steve
Steve There will be some indications of how they will be employed. Broadly speaking, it is useful to think of dragons like strategic bombers. You wouldn't use them unsupported over Central Germany, but could use them there with very heavy escorts. They can be devastating to forces without air defences or lesser developed ones. If some degree of arcane stealth can be employed, then their potential threat is raised even further. It is a large qualitative edge that comes from sheer necessity - the Western Allies/NATO cannot opposed ~500 Red Army divisions on anything more favourable than 5:1 odds at best. Once they gradually recover from the damage of WW2, they develop quite substantial defence capacity. The Soviets, however, are not taking this lying down and are seeking to massively improve their conventional firepower whilst the West is increasingly involved in Vietnam. They have a large population and huge reserves of men and equipment and are trying to work on the idea that 'he with the last remaining reserve forces wins'. Simon |
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