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Post by stevep on Jul 1, 2019 8:00:52 GMT
In the meantime, the YPA's leadership sought permission to change the tempo of its operations. Defence Minister Veljko Kadijević informed the Yugoslav cabinet that the YPA's first plan – a limited operation to secure Slovenia's border crossings – had failed, and that it was time to put into operation the backup plan of a full-scale invasion and imposition of military rule in Slovenia. However, the collective presidency – headed at the time by Serbia's Borisav Jović – refused to authorise such an operation. The YPA Chief of Staff, General Blagoje Adžić, was furious and publicly denounced "the federal organs [which] continually hampered us, demanding negotiations while they [the Slovenians] were attacking us with all means.
This sounds like the decisive point in the war and probably also the trigger for the bloodier later conflicts. That the military and Serb militants decide not to be half hearted about holding onto the rest of the federation, especially those areas with a Serbian presence or of historical significance to them.
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Post by lordroel on Jul 1, 2019 14:16:47 GMT
In the meantime, the YPA's leadership sought permission to change the tempo of its operations. Defence Minister Veljko Kadijević informed the Yugoslav cabinet that the YPA's first plan – a limited operation to secure Slovenia's border crossings – had failed, and that it was time to put into operation the backup plan of a full-scale invasion and imposition of military rule in Slovenia. However, the collective presidency – headed at the time by Serbia's Borisav Jović – refused to authorise such an operation. The YPA Chief of Staff, General Blagoje Adžić, was furious and publicly denounced "the federal organs [which] continually hampered us, demanding negotiations while they [the Slovenians] were attacking us with all means. This sounds like the decisive point in the war and probably also the trigger for the bloodier later conflicts. That the military and Serb militants decide not to be half hearted about holding onto the rest of the federation, especially those areas with a Serbian presence or of historical significance to them.
I think that they would have done that on June 27th, by July 1st they where to late, Slovenia had shown the world that they where willing to fight for their independence. |
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Post by stevep on Jul 1, 2019 14:44:03 GMT
This sounds like the decisive point in the war and probably also the trigger for the bloodier later conflicts. That the military and Serb militants decide not to be half hearted about holding onto the rest of the federation, especially those areas with a Serbian presence or of historical significance to them.
I think that they would have done that on June 27th, by July 1st they where to late, Slovenia had shown the world that they where willing to fight for their independence.
Possibly but willingness to fight and being able to are different matters. If the military had gone in hard with substantial forces and crushed resistance it might depend on how other groups both inside and outside Yugoslavia react but the unrest could be suppressed for the moment. This could be the equivalent of hammering a cork into the spout of a kettle i.e. things seem to go quite but you get a hell of an explosion later on. Or it might actually encourage those who believe in the continuation of the Federation, although unless Serb hard liners are also kept in line this wouldn't last long.
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Post by lordroel on Jul 1, 2019 14:57:26 GMT
I think that they would have done that on June 27th, by July 1st they where to late, Slovenia had shown the world that they where willing to fight for their independence. Possibly but willingness to fight and being able to are different matters. If the military had gone in hard with substantial forces and crushed resistance it might depend on how other groups both inside and outside Yugoslavia react but the unrest could be suppressed for the moment. This could be the equivalent of hammering a cork into the spout of a kettle i.e. things seem to go quite but you get a hell of an explosion later on. Or it might actually encourage those who believe in the continuation of the Federation, although unless Serb hard liners are also kept in line this wouldn't last long.
I have tried to find out what Austria would have done if the YPA had gone in full force instead of the limited force they had until July 1st but have not found anything yet, but doubt Austria would have gone in without the rest of EEC ore even with the backing of NATO. |
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Post by stevep on Jul 1, 2019 20:00:09 GMT
Possibly but willingness to fight and being able to are different matters. If the military had gone in hard with substantial forces and crushed resistance it might depend on how other groups both inside and outside Yugoslavia react but the unrest could be suppressed for the moment. This could be the equivalent of hammering a cork into the spout of a kettle i.e. things seem to go quite but you get a hell of an explosion later on. Or it might actually encourage those who believe in the continuation of the Federation, although unless Serb hard liners are also kept in line this wouldn't last long.
I have tried to find out what Austria would have done if the YPA had gone in full force instead of the limited force they had until July 1st but have not found anything yet, but doubt Austria would have gone in without the rest of EEC ore even with the backing of NATO.
Checked and confirmed Austria wasn't in the EEC until 1995 and isn't yet a member of NATO - the last I hadn't realised. Due to its position it was strictly neutral until after the collapse of the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact. As such it didn't have close links with either western European bloc and probably wouldn't have done anything on its own. You might have got a NATO response via Italy possibly as the best bet. Although since they were reluctant to intervene in the markedly larger conflicts in Croatia and Bosnia a couple of years later this might take some time.
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Post by lordroel on Jul 2, 2019 2:52:23 GMT
Day 6 of the Slovenian Independence War, July 2nd 1991
The heaviest fighting of the war to date took place during 2 July. The Domžale radio transmitter was attacked at 10:37 UTC (11:37 local time) and heavily damaged by two YPA Mig-21 planes. During the rest of the day there were a number of major set-backs for the YPA. The YPA convoy in the Krakovo Forest came under sustained attack from TO units, forcing it to surrender. Units from the YPA's Fourth Armoured Brigade attempted to move up from Jastrebarsko in Croatia but were beaten back near the border town of Bregana. The Slovenian TO mounted successful attacks on border crossings at Šentilj, Gornja Radgona, Fernetiči and Gorjansko, overrunning them and taking a number of YPA troops prisoner. A protracted engagement between YPA and Slovenian TO forces took place during the afternoon and evening at Dravograd, and a number of YPA facilities around the country fell to Slovenian forces. At 21:00, the Slovenian Presidency announced a unilateral ceasefire. However, this was rejected by the YPA leadership, which vowed to "take control" and crush Slovenian resistance. Photo: Slovenian TO soldiers on a captured tank T-55.
 Photo: from the other side in Austria, Austria soldiers stand guard.
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Post by lordroel on Jul 3, 2019 2:54:42 GMT
Day 7 of the Slovenian Independence War, July 3rd 1991
A large YPA armoured convoy set off from Belgrade on the morning of 3 July, ostensibly to go to Slovenia. It never arrived; according to the official account, this was due to mechanical breakdowns. Fighting continued in Slovenia, with a YPA relief force heading for the Gornja Radgona border crossing being halted near Radenci. YPA forces at the Kog border crossing were also attacked by TO units. In the evening, the YPA agreed to a ceasefire and a withdrawal to barracks. In a separate incident not far from Radenci, in the village of Hrastje-Mota, a Yugoslav Mi-8 helicopter developed mechanical problems and was forced to land. The helicopter was seized by the Slovene military, but was deemed not suitable for the newly born air force and handed back to Belgrade on August 13th. Photo: the YPA at the border between Croatia and Slovenia.
 Photo: JLA armored column crosses Croatia and goes into Slovenia
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Post by lordroel on Jul 4, 2019 2:46:52 GMT
Day 8 of the Slovenian Independence War, July 4th 1991
With a ceasefire now in force, the two sides disengaged. Slovenian forces took control of all of the country's border crossings, and YPA units were allowed to withdraw peacefully to barracks and to cross the border to Croatia. Photo: a member of the Slovenian Territorial Defense on a tank seized by the YPA.
 Photo: YPA, takes positions in a corn field at the border between Croatia and Slovenia.
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Post by lordroel on Jul 5, 2019 8:59:40 GMT
Day 9 of the Slovenian Independence War, July 5th 1991
No news about what happen on this day.
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Post by Zyobot on Jul 5, 2019 20:33:41 GMT
Day 9 of the Slovenian Independence War, July 5th 1991
No news about what happen on this day. Why not, though? |
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Post by lordroel on Jul 5, 2019 20:35:26 GMT
Day 9 of the Slovenian Independence War, July 5th 1991
No news about what happen on this day. Why not, though? Because mostly there is a cease fire and YPA units are withdrawing back to Yugoslavia and planning their war with Croatia and Bosnia. |
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Post by Zyobot on Jul 5, 2019 20:36:24 GMT
Because mostly there is a cease fire and YPA units are withdrawing back to Yugoslavia and planning their war with Croatia and Bosnia. Ah. Thank you for the clarification. |
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Post by lordroel on Jul 5, 2019 20:43:13 GMT
Because mostly there is a cease fire and YPA units are withdrawing back to Yugoslavia and planning their war with Croatia and Bosnia. Ah. Thank you for the clarification. No problem, tried my best to find information about the two missing days in which not much happen but so far no luck. |
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Post by lordroel on Jul 6, 2019 7:38:15 GMT
Day 10 of the Slovenian Independence War, July 6th 1991
No news about what happen on this day
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Post by lordroel on Jul 7, 2019 7:19:40 GMT
The day the Slovenian Independence War ended, July 7th 1991
Representatives of Slovenia, the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (SFRY) and the European Community met on the Brioni islands. The Brioni declaration, which established a three-month moratorium on Slovenian independence activities was accepted. However, the Slovenian armed and police forces retained full sovereignty over Slovenian territory.
According to rough estimates, the YPA had 44 casualties and 146 wounded, and the Slovenian side 19 casualties and 182 wounded. 12 foreign citizens were killed. 4,693 YPA service members and 252 federal police officers were captured. There were 72 minor and major armed conflicts during the war. 31 YPA tanks, 22 personnel carriers and 6 helicopters were destroyed, damaged or confiscated, along with 6,787 infantry, 87 artillery and 124 air defense weapons according to YPA inspections.
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