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Post by lordroel on Jul 12, 2019 14:09:45 GMT
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Post by nicksumner on Jul 14, 2019 12:55:27 GMT
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Post by lordroel on Jul 14, 2019 13:47:53 GMT
I assume the Leonardo Da Vinci is build in the late 1920s middle 1930s while the Aquila is build somewhere in the 1940 to 1946 period. |
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Post by stevep on Jul 14, 2019 15:10:36 GMT
Lordroel I suspect the Aquila is some equivalent of Aquila, which OTL was never completed. Also that the Leonardo Da Vinci is based on the Leonardo_da_Vinci, which possibly either avoided the OTL disaster or was recovered as planned but instead of being scrapped because of budget constraints was reconstructed as a CV. Could be wrong however.
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Post by lordroel on Jul 14, 2019 15:15:32 GMT
Lordroel I suspect the Aquila is some equivalent of Aquila, which OTL was never completed. Also that the Leonardo Da Vinci is based on the Leonardo_da_Vinci, which possibly either avoided the OTL disaster or was recovered as planned but instead of being scrapped because of budget constraints was reconstructed as a CV. Could be wrong however. Steve
Well looking at this picture of here being being righted on January 25th 1921 OTL, it might be a posability, but that us just you and me speculating.  |
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Post by nicksumner on Jul 15, 2019 9:11:34 GMT
stevep has it right on both counts.
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Post by lordroel on Jul 15, 2019 13:43:55 GMT
stevep has it right on both counts. But the Leonardo da Vinci did sink like OTL, and instead remaking here into a battleships she became Italy first carrier. |
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Post by nicksumner on Jul 17, 2019 15:30:12 GMT
stevep has it right on both counts. But the Leonardo da Vinci did sink like OTL, and instead remaking here into a battleships she became Italy first carrier. That's right. In OTL, after what was apparently one of the most difficult salvage operations ever undertaken up to that time, LdaV was left to rust and finally scrapped in 1923. |
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Post by lordroel on Jul 17, 2019 15:38:25 GMT
But the Leonardo da Vinci did sink like OTL, and instead remaking here into a battleships she became Italy first carrier. That's right. In OTL, after what was apparently one of the most difficult salvage operations ever undertaken up to that time, LdaV was left to rust and finally scrapped in 1923. So if Italy got the carrier first, did they help train German carrier pilots. |
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Post by stevep on Jul 17, 2019 20:42:43 GMT
That's right. In OTL, after what was apparently one of the most difficult salvage operations ever undertaken up to that time, LdaV was left to rust and finally scrapped in 1923. So if Italy got the carrier first, did they help train German carrier pilots.
It might be if they and the Germans worked together a lot more closely and successfully than OTL.  Don't forget if the run up to WWII was similar to OTL then until the Ethiopian crisis Italy was more a rival than an ally to the Nazis so apart from any lingering mistrust and bias there isn't a massive amount of time for the Germans to learn lessons from the Italians before the war. |
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Post by nicksumner on Jul 22, 2019 17:24:47 GMT
There is a new update to the Drake's Drum website. The Photographs section has been enlarged. www.drakesdrum.co.uk |
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Post by lordroel on Jul 22, 2019 17:42:13 GMT
There is a new update to the Drake's Drum website. The Photographs section has been enlarged. www.drakesdrum.co.ukNice nicksumner, a lot of nice photos to a already great TL, not many authors take the time to flesh out their books like this. |
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Post by nicksumner on Aug 2, 2019 13:40:38 GMT
There is a new update to the Drake's Drum website. Appendix 14: The Armada Espana 1939 to 48 has been posted. Below, two shots of the battleship Pelayo. Initially named Impero, she was built for the Regia Marina but sold to the Armada in 1941 . The purchase was financed with loans from the Reichsbank. The ‘Super Washington type’ heavy cruiser Andalucia was built at El Ferrol. Her construction was an unhurried affair, but she was both fast and powerful.    |
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Post by lordroel on Aug 2, 2019 14:20:24 GMT
There is a new update to the Drake's Drum website. Appendix 14: The Armada Espana 1939 to 48 has been posted. Below, two shots of the battleship Pelayo. Initially named Impero, she was built for the Regia Marina but sold to the Armada in 1941 . The purchase was financed with loans from the Reichsbank. The ‘Super Washington type’ heavy cruiser Andalucia was built at El Ferrol. Her construction was an unhurried affair, but she was both fast and powerful. This is another great stuff nicksumner. |
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Post by nicksumner on Aug 13, 2019 15:47:02 GMT
Here are two more Photoshopped images of warships from the Drake’s Drum timeline. The first is the Soviet battleship Frunze (formerly the Poltava) which has undergone a comprehensive reconstruction to become a battleship. Although certainly ambitious, this reconstruction was actually contemplated in OTL, though it was never carried out. The second is HMAS Endeavour, seen here running her trials in 1926. In Drake’s Drum, HMAS Australia becomes a museum ship and an incomplete Hood class battle cruiser is purchased by the Royal Australian Navy (with a little help from the RN) to replace it. There is a significant redesign, the ship becomes flush decked, the height of the aft barbettes are increased, the secondary armament is modified and a more modern style of conning tower is fitted. There would need to be more hull volume aft to compensate for the extra weight and the ships draught would increase. Top speed would be slightly reduced.   The ‘photographs’ section of the Drake’s Drum website has also been updated and you can read the full story of the Frunze in the 'Peterson's World Fighting Ships' section of the Appendices.
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Don't forget if the run up to WWII was similar to OTL then until the Ethiopian crisis Italy was more a rival than an ally to the Nazis so apart from any lingering mistrust and bias there isn't a massive amount of time for the Germans to learn lessons from the Italians before the war.