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Post by lordroel on Feb 13, 2020 16:05:06 GMT
No, the Congolese government would not be so suicidal; additionally, given that ‘Katanga’ was never under the Belgian crown, the Congolese don’t have a claim. The raids are from various rebel groups based in the Congo as well as the Simbas. And they all get some visit by Rhodesian SAS.
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Post by simon darkshade on Feb 13, 2020 16:25:44 GMT
They certainly do, with plenty of cross-border raids and long range patrols by the SAS, the Selous Scouts and Commandos, as well as British and South African special forces. This is combined with use of conventional troops, backed up by long range artillery, tanks and air strikes; the Valiants are rarely used, but can deliver a powerful area blow.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 13, 2020 16:32:13 GMT
They certainly do, with plenty of cross-border raids and long range patrols by the SAS, the Selous Scouts and Commandos, as well as British and South African special forces. This is combined with use of conventional troops, backed up by long range artillery, tanks and air strikes; the Valiants are rarely used, but can deliver a powerful area blow. Think using the Valiants is a bit of over kill, knowing how much they can drop on a target.
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Post by simon darkshade on Feb 13, 2020 16:36:57 GMT
It is definitely overkill, demonstrating that it isn’t just happening in North and South Vietnam with the USAF use of B-47s and B-52s and the RAF use of Valiants and Vulcans. Neither Africa nor Indochina has quite got up to the Allied bombing campaign in Korea yet, nor the sheer intensity of the RAF’s operations against Egypt in 1956.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 13, 2020 16:52:38 GMT
It is definitely overkill, demonstrating that it isn’t just happening in North and South Vietnam with the USAF use of B-47s and B-52s and the RAF use of Valiants and Vulcans. Neither Africa nor Indochina has quite got up to the Allied bombing campaign in Korea yet, nor the sheer intensity of the RAF’s operations against Egypt in 1956. No African country that has Soviet bombers in use then.
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Post by simon darkshade on Feb 13, 2020 21:31:31 GMT
No, the Soviets have not succeeded in penetrating the Middle East or Africa. Should one of the newly independent states show indications of Soviet alignment, a change of government occurs rapidly.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 14, 2020 10:11:03 GMT
No, the Soviets have not succeeded in penetrating the Middle East or Africa. Should one of the newly independent states show indications of Soviet alignment, a change of government occurs rapidly. As the French and British are almost in control of Africa ore allied with countries in Africa, it makes sense that they do not want ore will allow any Soviet influence on the continent.
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Post by simon darkshade on Feb 15, 2020 3:22:17 GMT
It does, particularly with Africa being a very active front and asset in the Cold War. Indeed, it is at the heart and basis of the grand strategy of Britain and France to maintain their status and position in the Cold War world.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 15, 2020 8:12:06 GMT
It does, particularly with Africa being a very active front and asset in the Cold War. Indeed, it is at the heart and basis of the grand strategy of Britain and France to maintain their status and position in the Cold War world. While the Soviet Union will want to break that domination they have in Africa by creating ore sponsoring Communist rebellions and uprisings.
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Post by simon darkshade on Feb 15, 2020 9:36:59 GMT
That is one of their strategies; their issue is that they don’t have a clear entry point or staging bases in the Eastern Mediterranean/Middle East, nor extensive overflight rights. They are currently trying to support the rebellions in Algeria, Portuguese Africa and the Congo, but haven’t had any major success in penetrating West Africa or East Africa, so have had to confine their support to covert measures.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 15, 2020 9:38:01 GMT
That is one of their strategies; their issue is that they don’t have a clear entry point or staging bases in the Eastern Mediterranean/Middle East, nor extensive overflight rights. They are currently trying to support the rebellions in Algeria, Portuguese Africa and the Congo, but haven’t had any major success in penetrating West Africa or East Africa, so have had to confine their support to covert measures. How do they get supplies to those places then.
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Post by simon darkshade on Feb 15, 2020 9:47:51 GMT
Smuggling in via diplomatic courier or merchant ship, usually using non-Soviet flagged vessels.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 15, 2020 10:57:34 GMT
Smuggling in via diplomatic courier or merchant ship, usually using non-Soviet flagged vessels. No use of submarines who secretly drop supplies in the middle of the night while doing a cat and mouse game with the Portuguese navy.
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Post by simon darkshade on Feb 15, 2020 12:08:16 GMT
Only the Foxtrots have the range to get anywhere near Angola and would need to pass through multiple British and US anti-submarine patrols and barriers in the North Atlantic, whilst crossing the Indian Ocean from Indonesia to Mozambique hasn't been attempted yet.
The Portuguese naval presence in their colonies is not substantial and certainly not enough to cover the whole coast.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 15, 2020 12:44:37 GMT
Only the Foxtrots have the range to get anywhere near Angola and would need to pass through multiple British and US anti-submarine patrols and barriers in the North Atlantic, whilst crossing the Indian Ocean from Indonesia to Mozambique hasn't been attempted yet. The Portuguese naval presence in their colonies is not substantial and certainly not enough to cover the whole coast. Wich why i was wondering if that would be the case that Soviet submarines ore even merchant schips would be able to drop of supplies for rebels in Angola.
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