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Post by simon darkshade on Apr 21, 2019 14:07:34 GMT
All fine; I only keep track via my own index.
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Post by lordroel on Apr 21, 2019 14:08:27 GMT
All fine; I only keep track via my own index. I do notice that the British have railway units, do they also have large railway cannons.
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Post by simon darkshade on Apr 21, 2019 14:15:51 GMT
Belgian Order of Battle 1961 Belgian Army: 324,967 Royal Belgian Navy: 26,543 Royal Belgian Air Force: 69,243 Total: 420,753 (~1.67% of population)
Belgian Army: 8 divisions, 324,967 personnel
Special Operations Command Belgian Special Air Service 1er Compagnie d’Equipes Spéciales de Reconnaissance
1st Army Artillery Group 50de Heavy Artillery Regiment: 24 x 203mm SPH 42de Heavy Artillery Regiment: 24 x 203mm SPH 9de Heavy Artillery Regiment: 24 x 234mm SPH 2de Missile Regiment: 18 x Robin Hood SRBM
2nd Army Artillery Group 40e Heavy Artillery Regiment: 24 x 183mm SPG 35e Heavy Artillery Regiment: 24 x 183mm SPG 11e Heavy Artillery Regiment: 24 x 203mm SPH 1e Missile Regiment: 18 x Robin Hood SRBM
Air Defence Brigade 15th Air Defence Battalion: 24 x English Electric Thunderbird 16th Air Defence Battalion: 24 x English Electric Thunderbird 24th Air Defence Battalion: 24 x English Electric Thunderbird 25th Air Defence Battalion: 24 x English Electric Thunderbird
Army Combat Engineer Group 1st Engineer Battalion 2nd Engineer Battalion 3rd Engineer Battalion 4th Bridging Battalion
Army Signal Group Staff Company 7tg Signal Battalion 8th Signal Battalion 9th Signal Battalion
Army Logistical Brigade 4th Logistic Battalion 7th Logistic Battalion 10th Logistic Battalion 12th Logistic Battalion
6eme Division Paracommando
16e Brigade Parachutiste 1ste Bataljon Parachutisten 2e Bataillon Parachutiste 3e Bataillon Parachutiste 4de Bataljon Parachutisten 16th Reconnaissance Squadron: 24 AMX-13 21e Paracommando Anti-Tank Battery: 12 125mm RR 13e Paracommando Artillery Regiment: 24 x 25pdr 51st Engineer Company 16th Supply and Transport Company 16th Medical Company
18e Brigade de Commandos 1eme Bataillon Commando 2de Bataljon Commando 3e Bataillon Commando 4de Bataljon Commando 18th Reconnaissance Squadron: 24 AMX-13 24e Paracommando Anti-Tank Battery: 12 125mm RR 12e Paracommando Artillery Regiment: 24 x 25pdr 40th Engineer Company 18th Supply and Transport Company 18th Medical Company
20e Brigade Parachutiste 5e Bataillon Parachutiste 6de Bataljon Parachutisten 7de Bataljon Parachutisten 8e Bataillon Parachutiste 20th Reconnaissance Squadron: 24 AMX-13 23e Paracommando Anti-Tank Battery: 12 125mm RR 21e Paracommando Artillery Regiment: 24 x 25pdr 37th Engineer Company 20th Supply and Transport Company 20th Medical Company
8eme Division d'Infanterie
19e Brigade d'Infanterie 1er Régiment de Chasseurs Ardennais 3e Régiment Carabines 18 Linieregiment 25 Linieregiment 15e Artillery Regiment: 32 x 25pdr 17e Anti-tank Company: 16 x 36pdr 42nd Engineer Company 19th Maintenance Company 19th Supply and Transport Company 19th Medical Company
22e Brigade d'Infanterie 4ere Chasseurs à Pied 9 Regiment de Lign 10 Regiment de Lign 29 Regiment de Lign 25e Artillery Regiment: 32 x 25pdr 21e Anti-tank Company: 16 x 36pdr 59th Engineer Company 22nd Maintenance Company 22nd Supply and Transport Company 22nd Medical Company
24e Brigade d'Infanterie 2ème Chasseurs à Pied 3ere Régiment de Chasseurs Ardennais 16 Linieregiment 26 Regiment de Lign 28e Artillery Regiment: 32 x 25pdr 10e Anti-tank Company: 16 x 36pdr 44th Engineer Company 24th Maintenance Company 24th Supply and Transport Company 24th Medical Company
I Belgian Corps
HQ Staff Company Military Police Battalion Military Intelligence Company
Anti-Aircraft Brigade Staff Battery 11th Air Defence Regiment: 24 x Archer SPAAG 12th Air Defence Regiment: 24 x Archer SPAAG 13th Air Defence Regiment: 24 x Archer SPAAG
Engineer Brigade Staff Company 5th Engineer Battalion 6th Engineer Battalion 7th Engineer Battalion 8th Engineer Battalion
I Belgian Corps Aviation Brigade Staff Squadron 14th Light Aviation Squadron: 12 x Westland Wessex 15th Light Aviation Squadron: 12 x Westland Wessex 16th Light Aviation Squadron: 12 x Westland Wessex
Signal Brigade Staff Company 1st Signal Battalion 3rd Signal Battalion 5th Signal Battalion
Artillerie Brigade 19e Field Artillery Battalion: 24 x 152mm SPH 32e Field Artillery Battalion: 24 x 152mm SPH 24de Heavy Artillery Battalion: 24 x 203mm SPH 36de Rocket Artillery Battalion: 24 x 380mm MRLS
Armoured Cavalry Regiment Koninklijk Garde te Paard: 64 x Royalist LT 9er Régiment de Lanciers: 64 x Royalist LT 2eme Regiment Garde Royale: 60 x Scimitar ARV 24de Linieregiment: 60 x Scimitar ARV 47de Horse Artillery Battalion: 24 x 25pdr
1er Division Blindée
1ste Pantserbrigade 1ere Regiment Carabiniers 'Prins Boudewijn': 64 x Knight 1er Chasseurs à Pied: 64 x Knight 2de Regiment Lansiers: 56 x Centurion, 12 x Knight 4de Regiment Dragonder: 56 x Centurion, 12 x Knight 3de Horse Artillery Regiment: 24 x 25pdr 1st Anti-tank Company: 12 x Iron Duke tank destroyers 38th Engineer Company 1st Maintenance Company 1st Supply and Transport Company 1st Medical Company
3eme Brigade Blindée 1ste Jagers te Paard: 56 x Centurion, 12 x Knight 2e Regiment de Hussard: 56 x Centurion, 12 x Knight 2de Regiment Grenadiers: 64 x Knight 1ere Regiment Garde Royale: 64 x Knight 5e Horse Artillery Regiment: 24 x 25pdr 4th Anti-tank Company: 12 x Iron Duke tank destroyers 43rd Engineer Company 3rd Maintenance Company 3rd Supply and Transport Company 3rd Medical Company
5eme Brigade d'Infanterie Blindée 4e Regiment Gidsen: 56 x Centurion, 12 x Knight 5e Regiment Hussards: 56 x Centurion, 12 x Knight 14de Linieregiment "Bevrijding": 64 x Knight 21de Linieregiment: 64 x Knight 8e Artillery Regiment: 24 x 25pdr 6th Anti-tank Company: 12 x Iron Duke tank destroyers 49th Engineer Company 5th Maintenance Company 5th Supply and Transport Company 5th Medical Company
2eme Division Blindée
2er Pantserbrigade 2de Jagers te Paard: 56 x Centurion, 12 x Knight 4de Regiment Lansiers: 56 x Centurion, 12 x Knight 5de Linieregiment: 64 x Knight 30de Linieregiment: 64 x Knight 4de Horse Artillery Regiment: 24 x 25pdr 2nd Anti-tank Company: 12 x Iron Duke tank destroyers 56th Engineer Company 2nd Maintenance Company 2nd Supply and Transport Company 2nd Medical Company
4de Pantserbrigade 2de Regiment Lansiers: 56 x Centurion, 12 x Knight 8de Regiment Lansiers: 56 x Centurion, 12 x Knight 19de Linieregiment: 64 x Knight 6de Horse Artillery Regiment: 24 x 25pdr 7th Anti-tank Company: 12 x Iron Duke tank destroyers 52nd Engineer Company 4th Maintenance Company 4th Supply and Transport Company 4th Medical Company
6er Brigade d'Infanterie Blindée 1er Regiment de Hussard: 56 x Centurion, 12 x Knight Koninklijk Garde du Corps Regiment: 64 x Knight 15de Linieregiment: 64 x Knight 10e Artillery Regiment: 24 x 25pdr 3rd Anti-tank Company: 12 x Iron Duke tank destroyers 65th Engineer Company 6th Maintenance Company 6th Supply and Transport Company 6th Medical Company
3eme Division Mécanisée
7eme Brigade d'Infanterie Blindée 2e Regiment Gidsen: 56 x Centurion, 12 x Knight 31e Regiment de Lign: 64 x Knight 6e Regiment de Lign: 64 x Knight 16e Artillery Regiment: 24 x 25pdr 5th Anti-tank Company: 12 x Iron Duke tank destroyers 39th Engineer Company 7th Maintenance Company 7th Supply and Transport Company 7th Medical Company
10eme Brigade Blindée 3e Régiment de Lanciers: 56 x Centurion, 12 x Knight 10e Régiment de Lanciers: 56 x Centurion, 12 x Knight 23de Linieregiment: 64 x Knight 28de Linieregiment: 64 x Knight 23e Horse Artillery Regiment: 24 x 25pdr 8th Anti-tank Company: 12 x Iron Duke tank destroyers 45th Engineer Company 10th Maintenance Company 10th Supply and Transport Company 10th Medical Company
12eme Brigade d'Infanterie Blindée 1er Regiment de Dragoons: 56 x Centurion, 12 x Knight 1ste Regiment Grenadiers: 64 x Knight 7e Regiment de Lign: 64 x Knight 14e Artillery Regiment: 24 x 25pdr 22e Anti-tank Company: 12 x Iron Duke tank destroyers 41st Engineer Company 12th Maintenance Company 12th Supply and Transport Company 12th Medical Company
II Belgian Corps
HQ Staff Company 2e Military Police Battalion 2e Military Intelligence Company
Anti-Aircraft Brigade Staff Battery 21st Armoured Air-Defence Battalion: 24 x Archer SPAAG 22nd Armoured Air-Defence Battalion: 24 x Archer SPAAG 23rd Armoured Air-Defence Battalion:: 24 x Archer SPAAG
Engineer Brigade Staff Company 9th Engineer Battalion 10th Engineer Battalion 11th Engineer Battalion 12th Engineer Battalion
II Belgian Corps Aviation Brigade Staff Squadron 17th Light Aviation Squadron: 12 x Westland Wessex 18th Light Aviation Squadron: 12 x Westland Wessex 19th Light Aviation Squadron: 12 x Westland Wessex
Signal Brigade Staff Company 2nd Signal Battalion 4th Signal Battalion 6th Signal Battalion
Artillerie Brigade 41de Field Artillery Battalion: 24 x 152mm SPH 46de Field Artillery Battalion: 24 x 152mm SPH 22e Heavy Artillery Battalion: 24 x 203mm SPH 31e Rocket Artillery Battalion: 24 x 380mm MRLS
Armoured Cavalry Regiment 3de Regiment Huzaar: 64 x Royalist LT 6de Regiment Hussards: 64 x Royalist LT 22e Regiment de Lign: 60 x Scimitar ARV 2de Regiment Karabiniers: 64 x Knight 48e Horse Artillery Battalion
4eme Division Mécanisée
8e Brigade d'Infanterie Blindée 1er Régiment des Guides: 56 x Centurion, 12 x Knight 1e Regiment de Lign: 64 x Knight 4de Regiment Grenadiers: 64 x Knight 26e Artillery Regiment: 24 x 25pdr 9th Anti-tank Company: 12 x Iron Duke tank destroyers 46th Engineer Company 8th Maintenance Company 8th Supply and Transport Company 8th Medical Company
11de Pantserbrigade 1er Régiment de Lanciers: 56 x Centurion, 12 x Knight 3de Regiment Dragonder: 56 x Centurion, 12 x Knight 12e Régiment de Ligne "Prince Léopold": 64 x Knight 32e Regiment de Lign: 64 x Knight 34de Horse Artillery Regiment: 24 x 25pdr 13th Anti-tank Company: 12 x Iron Duke tank destroyers 60th Engineer Company 11th Maintenance Company 11th Supply and Transport Company 11th Medical Company
13e Brigade d'Infanterie Blindée 7er Régiment de Lanciers: 56 x Centurion, 12 x Knight 4de Linieregiment: 64 x Knight 8e Linieregiment: 64 x Knight 30e Artillery Regiment: 24 x 25pdr 15th Anti-tank Company: 12 x Iron Duke tank destroyers 54th Engineer Company 13th Maintenance Company 13th Supply and Transport Company 13th Medical Company
5eme Division Blindee
9de Pantserbrigade 2de Regiment Dragonder: 56 x Centurion, 12 x Knight 5de Regiment Lansiers: 56 x Centurion, 12 x Knight 13de Linieregiment: 64 x Knight 3ere Chasseurs à Pied: 64 x Knight 27de Horse Artillery Regiment: 24 x 25pdr 12th Anti-tank Company: 12 x Iron Duke tank destroyers 53rd Engineer Company 9th Maintenance Company 9th Supply and Transport Company 9th Medical Company
14e Brigade Blindée 4e Chasseurs à Cheval: 56 x Centurion, 12 x Knight 6er Régiment de Lanciers: 56 x Centurion, 12 x Knight 3e Regiment de Lign: 64 x Knight 2ème Régiment de Chasseurs Ardennais: 64 x Knight 33e Horse Artillery Regiment: 24 x 25pdr 18th Anti-tank Company: 12 x Iron Duke tank destroyers 61st Engineer Company 14th Maintenance Company 14th Supply and Transport Company 14th Medical Company
15e Brigade d'Infanterie Blindée 11e Régiment de Lanciers: 56 x Centurion, 12 x Knight 17 Regiment de Lign: 64 x Knight 4de Regiment Karabiniers: 64 x Knight 37e Artillery Regiment: 24 x 25pdr 14th Anti-tank Company: 12 x Iron Duke tank destroyers 52nd Engineer Company 15th Maintenance Company 15th Supply and Transport Company 15th Medical Company
7eme Division Mecanisee
17e Brigade d'Infanterie Blindée 3e Chasseurs à Cheval: 56 x Centurion, 12 x Knight 20 Regiment de Lign: 64 x Knight 27 Linieregiment: 64 x Knight 44e Artillery Regiment: 24 x 25pdr 19th Anti-tank Company: 12 x Iron Duke tank destroyers 55th Engineer Company 17th Maintenance Company 17th Supply and Transport Company 17th Medical Company
21e Brigade d'Infanterie Blindée 4de Regiment Huzaar: 56 x Centurion, 12 x Knight 2de Linieregiment: 64 x Knight 3de Regiment Grenadiers: 64 x Knight 38e Artillery Regiment: 24 x 25pdr 16th Anti-tank Company: 12 x Iron Duke tank destroyers 62nd Engineer Company 21st Maintenance Company 21st Supply and Transport Company 21st Medical Company
23e Brigade Blindée 3e Régiment des Guides: 56 x Centurion, 12 x Knight 4ere Régiment de Chasseurs Ardennais: 64 x Knight 12de Regiment Lansiers: 56 x Centurion, 12 x Knight 11 Linieregiment: 64 x Knight 43e Horse Artillery Regiment: 24 x 25pdr 20th Anti-tank Company: 12 x Iron Duke tank destroyers 57th Engineer Company 23rd Maintenance Company 23rd Supply and Transport Company 23rd Medical Company
Army Reserve: 4 divisions, 226,549 personnel
4 Infantry Divisions 9 Infantry Brigades (Home Defence) 36 Infantry Battalions (Home Defence)
8 Engineer Battalions
15 Artillery Battalions 12 Anti-Aircraft Artillery Battalions
Royal Belgian Navy: 30 ships, 62 aircraft, 20,543 personnel
DD: Antwerpen, Brabant, Limburg, Vlandeeren, Hainaut, Luxembourg FF: Liege, Namur, Ghent, Charleroi, Bruges, Leuven, Mechelen, Ostend, Bastogne, Ypres, Zeebrugge, Mons MS: Dufour, Georges Lecointe, Adrien de Gerlache, Eustache Delafosse, Van Haverbeke, De Brouwer, De Moor, Namsen, Breydel, Artevelde, Truffaut, Bovesse
Koksijde Air Base No. 1 Squadron: 12 Avro Shackletons No. 2 Squadron: 18 Fairey Rotodynes
Ostend Naval Air Base No. 3 Squadron: 24 Westland Wessexes No. 4 Squadron: 18 Fairey Rotodynes
Royal Belgian Air Force: 776 aircraft, 69,243 personnel
155 Hawker Hunters 102 Fairey Delta 80 Supermarine Sunstars 78 Gloster Javelins 74 de Havilland Vixen 57 English Electric Canberra
28 Fokker F.27 32 Bristol Britannia 53 Fairey Rotodyne
38 Fokker S.14 Machtrainer 79 Fokker S.11
RBAF Germany
2nd Wing (Parchim Airbase) 5th Squadron: 24 Supermarine Sunstar 6th Squadron: 24 Fairey Delta 7th Squadron: 24 Fairey Delta 22nd Missile Squadron: 24 Bristol Bloodhounds
4th Wing (Haldensleben Airbase) 11th Squadron: 24 Hawker Hunters 12th Squadron: 24 Hawker Hunters 14th Squadron: 24 Hawker Hunters 27th Missile Squadron: 24 Bristol Bloodhounds
6th Wing (Gartow Airbase) 18th Squadron: 24 de Havilland Vixen 19th Squadron: 24 de Havilland Vixen 20th Squadron: 24 English Electric Canberras 21st Missile Squadron: 24 Bristol Bloodhounds
Home Command
1st Wing (Beuvechain Airbase) 1st Squadron: 24 Supermarine Sunstar 2nd Squadron: 24 Supermarine Sunstar 3rd Squadron: 24 Fairey Delta 4th Squadron: 24 Fairey Delta
3rd Wing (Sint-Truiden Airbase) 9th Squadron: 24 Gloster Javelin 10th Squadron: 24 Gloster Javelin 15th Squadron: 24 Hawker Hunters 16th Squadron: 24 Hawker Hunters
5th Wing (Bierset Airbase) 8th Missile Squadron: 24 Bristol Bloodhounds 13th Missile Squadron: 24 Bristol Bloodhounds 17th Missile Squadron: 24 Bristol Bloodhounds
7th Wing (Melsbroek Airbase) 23rd Squadron: 24 Fokker F.27 24th Squadron: 28 Bristol Britannias 25th Squadron: 24 Fairey Rotodynes 26th Squadron: 24 Fairey Rotodynes
8th Wing (Koksijde Airbase) 28th Squadron: 18 Fokker S.14 Machtrainer 29th Squadron: 18 Fokker S.14 Machtrainer
9th Wing (Florennes Airbase) 30th Squadron: 24 Fokker S.11 31st Squadron: 24 Fokker S.11 32nd Squadron: 24 Fokker S.11
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Post by simon darkshade on Apr 21, 2019 14:17:58 GMT
All fine; I only keep track via my own index. I do notice that the British have railway units, do they also have large railway cannons. Not anymore. They do field static strategic artillery and very large self-propelled and towed guns, but the nature of modern combat does not lend itself towards railway guns. The last time they saw employment was during the static phase of the Korean War in 1952-53.
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Post by lordroel on Apr 21, 2019 14:21:32 GMT
I do notice that the British have railway units, do they also have large railway cannons. Not anymore. They do field static strategic artillery and very large self-propelled and towed guns, but the nature of modern combat does not lend itself towards railway guns. The last time they saw employment was during the static phase of the Korean War in 1952-53. Does any country like the Germans ore even the Americans have railway artillery, just asking because recently i mange to see a Krupp K5 called "Leopold" at the Batterie Todt museum, near Audinghen in northern France and i was thinking that they still could be of use if they fired something like nuclear artillery shells.
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Post by simon darkshade on Apr 21, 2019 14:47:36 GMT
The Americans, Soviets, British and French all have guns of greater calibre than the K5, such as the Kondensator 2P, but they are all towed or self-propelled.
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Post by lordroel on Apr 21, 2019 17:13:31 GMT
The Americans, Soviets, British and French all have guns of greater calibre than the K5, such as the Kondensator 2P, but they are all towed or self-propelled. Something in the size of Schwerer Gustav.
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Post by simon darkshade on Apr 21, 2019 17:36:27 GMT
No, any guns of that size are static. There are the Dover Guns and the British Army's strategic artillery in Wales; three large French guns aimed towards the East; and a number of inactive US Army 36" howitzers.
Mobile superheavy guns are between 16" and 24" in calibre.
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Post by lordroel on Apr 21, 2019 17:40:14 GMT
No, any guns of that size are static. There are the Dover Guns and the British Army's strategic artillery in Wales; three large French guns aimed towards the East; and a number of inactive US Army 36" howitzers. Mobile superheavy guns are between 16" and 24" in calibre. Surprise me the French have no guns pointed toward the British.
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Post by simon darkshade on Apr 22, 2019 7:37:26 GMT
Whilst they are essentially rivals, France and Britain haven't been to war since 1815 nor been at loggerheads seriously for a century. France's major threat in that period has come from the east, in the form of Germany and now the Soviet Union. The rejuvenation of the Atlantic alliance makes any renewed Anglo-French enmity decidedly unlikely.
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Post by lordroel on Apr 22, 2019 7:42:58 GMT
Whilst they are essentially rivals, France and Britain haven't been to war since 1815 nor been at loggerheads seriously for a century. France's major threat in that period has come from the east, in the form of Germany and now the Soviet Union. The rejuvenation of the Atlantic alliance makes any renewed Anglo-French enmity decidedly unlikely. But still, i can assume the French have plans for a war with the British, heck even the Americans had plans to go to war with everybody once and most likely have it now.
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Post by simon darkshade on Apr 22, 2019 8:30:09 GMT
Not really, as the British Empire is on a different level of power to France. The era of contingency plans to take on the world are the preserve of the superpowers and even then, the US and Britain haven't made plans for war since the 1920s. Both countries have thermonuclear weapons and are right next door to each other, making any conflict a self-destructive step.
Their rivalry is concentrated on the political level, but the leadership of both the British and French Empires don't really take it seriously.
In any case, there is a huge jump from an obsolete war plan and actively aiming nuclear capable artillery at a neighbour that they are allied with under three separate treaties and who they have fought alongside in two World Wars.
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Post by simon darkshade on Apr 24, 2019 16:45:27 GMT
Belgium Notes:
- Keen eyed observers will note some strong similarities with the Dutch Army. This is because of the very strong links between the two nations and particularly their efforts at military coordination. Their corps are designed to operate with each other. - Their second major role is contributing to a lighter force to go into Denmark, consisting of the Paracommando Division, the Dutch Airborne Division, the Royal Netherlands Marine Division and Luxembourg's sole division. This allows Britain, Canada and the USA to concentrate on Norway and Sweden, the Germans on Jutland and the French Rapide Action Force to be held as AFCENT reserves. - Just as the Dutch need to modernise their equipment, Belgium is also using a great deal of wartime surplus and has some expensive decisions to make. - Chief needs are tanks, light anti-aircraft guns and missiles and artillery. - The Royal Belgian Navy is designed for coastal defence, minesweeping and operations alongside the Dutch in the North Sea. - In the air, the Belgians need to replace their Vixens, Deltas, Javelins and Hunters very soon and the Canberras by the late 60s. More expensive choices.
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Post by lordroel on Apr 24, 2019 16:49:59 GMT
Belgium Notes: - Keen eyed observers will note some strong similarities with the Dutch Army. This is because of the very strong links between the two nations and particularly their efforts at military coordination. Their corps are designed to operate with each other. Does BeNeSam ( Belgian-Dutch naval cooperation)also exist
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Post by simon darkshade on Apr 24, 2019 17:15:22 GMT
It is far more advanced than that arrangement, with a full decade of increasing defence ties, standardisation and cooperation. It is one aspect of the drive towards an effective union, as each state is too small to stay fully afloat in a very different European environment.
There isn't a separate Allied Command for the English Channel, as the Royal Navy covers that role.
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