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Post by simon darkshade on Aug 1, 2018 22:18:34 GMT
I'll write up a more substantive reply later in the day, but there are a few museum ships (Warspite being chief among them) and the OTL comparison is the fleet cuts of 1947/48, which were quite brutal and along these lines.
The total number of ships built can be extrapolated from those being disposed + war losses + sales/transfers. There were more Black Swans due to a more protracted construction programme: 10 in 1936, 12 in 1937, 12 in 1938, 20 in 1939, 28 in 1940 and the War Emergency Programme, 20 in 1941 and 14 in 1942.
There were a total of 8 QEs and 8 Rs, along with 8 battlecruisers (4 Renown, 4 King Richard I). This came from the very large Great War armament programmes. There were a total of 8 'Nelsons' built between 1920 and 1930; the USN built 8 similar sized vessels in that period.
Arion was an experimental early 1920s carrier, with the rest of the interwar fleet being Argus, Eagle, Courageous, Glorious, Furious, Fearless, Incomparable and Insuperable
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Post by stevep on Aug 1, 2018 23:31:32 GMT
I'll write up a more substantive reply later in the day, but there are a few museum ships (Warspite being chief among them) and the OTL comparison is the fleet cuts of 1947/48, which were quite brutal and along these lines. The total number of ships built can be extrapolated from those being disposed + war losses + sales/transfers. There were more Black Swans due to a more protracted construction programme: 10 in 1936, 12 in 1937, 12 in 1938, 20 in 1939, 28 in 1940 and the War Emergency Programme, 20 in 1941 and 14 in 1942. There were a total of 8 QEs and 8 Rs, along with 8 battlecruisers (4 Renown, 4 King Richard I). This came from the very large Great War armament programmes. There were a total of 8 'Nelsons' built between 1920 and 1930; the USN built 8 similar sized vessels in that period. Arion was an experimental early 1920s carrier, with the rest of the interwar fleet being Argus, Eagle, Courageous, Glorious, Furious, Fearless, Incomparable and Insuperable
OK thanks. That is considerably bigger than OTL, both during the war and afterwards.
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Post by lordroel on Aug 2, 2018 3:18:23 GMT
I'll write up a more substantive reply later in the day, but there are a few museum ships (Warspite being chief among them) and the OTL comparison is the fleet cuts of 1947/48, which were quite brutal and along these lines. The total number of ships built can be extrapolated from those being disposed + war losses + sales/transfers. There were more Black Swans due to a more protracted construction programme: 10 in 1936, 12 in 1937, 12 in 1938, 20 in 1939, 28 in 1940 and the War Emergency Programme, 20 in 1941 and 14 in 1942. There were a total of 8 QEs and 8 Rs, along with 8 battlecruisers (4 Renown, 4 King Richard I). This came from the very large Great War armament programmes. There were a total of 8 'Nelsons' built between 1920 and 1930; the USN built 8 similar sized vessels in that period. Arion was an experimental early 1920s carrier, with the rest of the interwar fleet being Argus, Eagle, Courageous, Glorious, Furious, Fearless, Incomparable and Insuperable Can we assume a lot of Black Swans are in use with the Royal Indian navy for coastal patrols.
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Post by simon darkshade on Aug 2, 2018 4:45:17 GMT
The RIN have a dozen sloops in service.
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Post by simon darkshade on Aug 2, 2018 13:44:48 GMT
The numbers of Great War superdreadnoughts are not too far beyond those planned historically (16 as compared to 14, knocked down to 12 when we factor Renown and Repulse), but the substantial difference can be found in their corresponding battlecruiser classes (8 to 2).
There are quite a few supporting vessels/smaller escorts remaining in the RN, but one common feature they share is having a very hard war.
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Post by simon darkshade on Aug 2, 2018 14:43:47 GMT
1947: Part 2a
HMS Paladin, Cape Verde Plain, North Atlantic, March 14th 1947
Sub-Lieutenant Thomas Adams looked out at the slate grey sky above the destroyer as it pitched through the baleful waves. He could see the comforting speck of the group’s airship on the horizon and the closer silhouettes of the cruiser Dido and the blockier escort carrier Atheling. Another fine day on patrol, he mused.
HMS Paladin was one of four destroyers assigned to the 9th Anti-Submarine Group on its sweep of Sector A18, where their role was to hunt and destroy any rogue undersea contacts. It had been almost two years since the official German surrender, yet there was still the occasional sinking of merchant ships, particularly in the Atlantic, but also in the far reaches of the Indian Ocean.
Not all the U-Boats had surrendered or been scuttled in those heady days of victory back in April 1945. Just over fifty long range Type XXIs had broken out, manned by a mixture of fanatical SS crew and various Nazis who were anxious to avoid the tender embrace of the vengeful Allies. Twenty six had been sunk as they ran the gauntlet of Allied aircraft, mines and escorts around Europe in the first week, with ten more apparently reported sunk or scuttled over the next few months.
The others had disappeared into the depths of the oceans, ending up in the secret Nazi bases blasted out of the frozen wilderness of Antarctica. They had been responsible for the loss of 12 ships in the South Atlantic and Indian Oceans by September 1945. The Antarctic Campaign of early 1946 had seemed to put an end to the last gasp of the Third Reich, at least on Earth. Ten U-Boats had been reported found in the wreckage of Hitler’s icy empire at the bottom of the world. Peace would once again reign over the seas.
Then five merchant ships were lost in the middle of the North Atlantic in a single day on May 4th 1946 in four separate locations. There were at least four rogue Nazi submarines somewhere out there.
The Combined Chiefs of Staff had considered a range of responses, with reactivating the full convoy system, but the desperate needs of Europe for food and materiel outweighed this more cautious approach, with increased emphasis on aggressive countermeasures. This was to be a time for hunters, not for shepherds.
Aerial patrols were launched over the coasts of South America and some of the most desolate shores of Africa turning up three small recently abandoned supply bases operated by Nazi agents and fifth columnists. The German diaspora in South America was the subject of heavy surveillance and draconian regulation.
The last ten months had been a return of sorts to the routines of wartime patrol for the destroyers, frigates and escort carriers of the Allied fleets of the USA, Britain, Canada and France. The Atlantic Ocean had been divided into a number of different sectors, each of which was the responsibility of a particular fleet, which would relentlessly sweep it with aircraft and surface ships. By March 1947, two of the rogue U-Boats had been sunk for the loss of two escorts and just three merchant ships. Slowly but surely, the seas were being cleared; there had been, however, an inexplicable lack of luck as to where the U-Boats were operating from.
HMS Paladin was not ideally suited for the hunter-killer role, being one of the general purpose 2500t Standard type ships built just prior to the war. She was equipped with two Squids in addition to her four 5.25” and dozen 40mm guns and had landed her anti-ship torpedoes in favour of the new homing Dealers. The main role of the destroyers was to screen the command cruiser and the carrier, with the fast frigates, helicopters and aircraft to act as the sword of the group.
Adams heard the sound of engines and spotted the reassuring sight of the group’s Stirling patrol bomber. The amount of air cover being used by the Atlantic Fleet was phenomenal, with a dozen RNAS squadrons flying out of the Azores, Maderia, the Canaries, Bermuda and St. Peter’s. It had been an RNAS bomber that had got the last rogue in November. Very handy.
“Anything to report, Adams?”
He turned to see a tall figure in a peaked cap and a royal blue naval robe with gold trim over a white woolen pullover. It was the ship’s wizard, Lieutenant-Commander Oliver Pancormyn. He was responsible for much of the magical equipment and systems on board Paladin, including the crystal ball, the spectrometer, the arcane blasters and the analytical engine.
“No sir. Another quiet watch.” Adams replied with a tinge of a sardonic note.
“Excellent. A quiet watch. I suppose you are looking forward to coming off and getting some dinner soon. Master Brandywine has another good one whipped up – tomato soup, roast baron of beef and mushrooms, Yorkshire pudding, roast potatoes, turnips and carrots, cauliflower cheese, pease pudding, sprouts, creamed spinach and spotted dick with custard. Not every destroyer gets its own halfling cook straight from the Shires. Most of them go straight to the battleships or the carriers.
A quiet watch. I’ve just been down in the scrying room with the crystal ball. 10th Group had a run in with a kraken this morning. Two frigates damaged. Sixty three men missing. Be glad that this watch is quiet, Adams. Theirs wasn’t.”
Adams felt chastened by the oblique reproach.
“Yes sir.”
“See it doesn’t happen again. Enjoy the quiet while it lasts.”
The last of the rogue U-Boats was sunk on January 2nd 1948 by USS Hudson (DD-475) in the Sargasso Sea. Interrogation of the surviving crew lead to the capture of the mothership, a disguised tanker, off the coast of Portuguese West Africa twenty three days later.
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Post by simon darkshade on Aug 2, 2018 15:00:44 GMT
1947: Part 2b
The war in the Far East and the Pacific had been a very tough one.
In December 1941, the Japanese tide had surged across South East Asia into the British bastions of Burma and Malaya, Siam, the Dutch East Indies and the Philippines. 1942 was a year of tough defensive fighting on land, sea and air with the bitter campaign raging for many perilous months. The great victories at Midway, Kokoda, Guadalcanal, Singapore and the South China Sea halted the Japanese expansion, before the Allies could finally go on the offensive in the South Pacific, Malaya and Burma. At the head of the Grand Alliance was the United States of America, which avenged the dastardly sneak attack on Pearl Harbor with victory upon victory, even as it built the largest fleet the world had ever seen.
1943 saw the conquest of Siam, intense jungle fighting in the Solomons and New Guinea, the liberation of Sumatra and the beginning of the great USN advance in the Central Gilbert and Marshall Islands. The following year was one of great victories as the three Allied advances met in the South China Sea – the Imperial liberation of French Indochina and the heroic city of Hong Kong, the Australian liberation of Java and Borneo and the US triumphs in the Marianas and the liberation of the Philippines.
As the Grand Fleet and the Royal Marines prepared for the great amphibious landings on Formosa and the US Pacific Fleet blasted and bombarded Okinawa at the beginning of 1945, the British 12th Army and US Fourth Army began their big push up through Hunan and Jiangxi to Changsa and Nanchang to join up with the Great Yangtze Offensive by the wrathful Imperial Chinese Army. This offensive culminated in the Battle of Wuhan, which saw the destruction of the main field force of the Imperial Japanese Army south of the Great Wall.
The Battle of Wuhan saw the most devastating concentration of firepower to that point in the Battle of China, with the massed barrage of over two thousands 25pdrs joined by hundreds of heavy guns and rockets and Crusader tanks at the opening of the British offensive. British and Indian armoured divisions enveloped both flanks of the strong Japanese defensive line as set piece attacks broke their defences into three separate pockets which were then subjected to a relentless bombardment by heavy artillery and magical attacks.
This was to be only the beginning as now the US Army struck in all its wrath. The fast moving spearheads of the US Fourth Army conducted a huge flanking maneuver and struck the Japanese strongholds in the rear, sealing the encirclement. Japanese positions with saturated with chlorine and mustard gas, dragonfire, vitriol and napalm, strafed and rocketed by Hurricanes, Spitfires, Thunderbolts and Mustangs and blasted by Lancasters, Invaders and Flying Fortresses. Seventeen Japanese divisions were effectively destroyed in the four day battle. Now it was the turn of the Allied tide, with Shanghai, Nanking and finally Peking itself being liberated by the inexorable advance. The Emperor returned triumphantly to Peking on June 27th.
Japan was being bombed round the clock by the USAF and the RAF’s Tiger Force, but the greatest blows were still to come. Operation Olympic, the initial invasion of the Japanese Home Islands, was launched on July 5th 1945, with fifteen American, one British and one Australian division landing on Kyushu. Within 24 days, organized Japanese resistance in Southern Kyushu had been crushed and the first tactical airbases operational. A great naval battle took place on July 30th, with the Allied carrier and battle fleets sending the remnants of the Imperial Japanese Navy to the bottom of Sagami Bay.
On August 4th, a USAF B-36 dropped an atomic bomb on Hiroshima, with Nagasaki following on August 6th and Toyama on August 8th. The Soviet Union declared war on the Empire of Japan on August 8th, launching 2.5 million men of the Red Army into Mongolia and Manchuria. American and Soviet tanks met along the Great Wall and an RAF York dropped an atomic bomb on a secretive Japanese army base outside Harbin. Japan surrendered on August 25th 1945, with the formal surrender ceremony taking place in Tokyo Bay on September 7th.
The occupation of defeated Japan saw Sakhalin occupied by the Soviets, Shikoku by France, Kyushu and Southern Honshu by the British Empire and Honshu, Kai and Hokkaido by the United States. The initial force consisted of 560,000 American, 55,000 British and 40,000 Australian, Canadian, New Zealand, Indian, New Avalon and South African troops. For most of the Allied troops, it was as if they had entered another world when they began to arrive in September 1945.
In addition to the devastating heavy bomb and fire damage, there was substantial devastation wrought by Olympic and the naval bombardment of coastal cities. Hundreds of thousands were without homes and whole cities had been functionally destroyed. The crowded streets and the very large number of bicycles was a sight that struck many members of the occupation forces, not to mention the alien smells of different foods, garbage and the ubiquitous dried fish.
Their days were taken up with myriad tasks – patrols, keeping order, searching for contraband, interrogation of smugglers, hunting for war criminals, eradicating cholera and typhus and the destruction of Japanese military industry. The ports of Japan had been thoroughly smashed by Allied bombardment and carrier raids, but were desperately needed for the repatriation of rescued Allied military prisoners and the return of defeated Japanese troops and settlers from the lost territories of the Empire.
By mid 1946, some sense of progress could be felt, with the reconstruction of Hiroshima beginning to gather pace. The maintenance of law and order and the running of the legal system was left to internal Japanese control, with the Allied field forces increasingly involved with field problems, parades and military exercises. The Japanese education system was reorganized along American lines and trade unions were organized. The reform of the Imperial Diet and the creation of a new constitution were an area of significant friction between the British and Americans, with an eventual compromise reached in the form of a constitutional monarchy with limited reserve powers, a peerage without formal powers and a bicameral parliamentary system.
The Nankaido earthquake of December 1946 caused minor disruption to the process of reconstruction and did not impede the general elections of April 25th 1947. The Liberal Party (the former Seiyūkai) won 162 seats, the Social Democrat Party 148 and the Democratic Party (the former Minseitō) 129, with minor parties and independents sharing the other 61 seats. Full restoration of sovereignty and the cessation of the state of war between the Allies and Japan was some years off into the future, but the first steps had been taken.
from Chapter 1 ‘A Sun Sets’ in ‘The Fall and Rebirth of the Empire of the Sun’ (Hereward Antonine, Cathbad University Press, 1972
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Post by simon darkshade on Aug 2, 2018 15:09:13 GMT
1947: Part 2c
Woomera, South Australia, April 5th 1947
Woomera was a busy town. Perhaps the busiest town of its size in the world and certainly the busiest secret town hidden in the vast expanses of the South Australian outback. The ordinary population of almost 5000 scientists, engineers, airmen, rocketeers and technicians had swelled to double that amount with the influx of Ministry of Space and Royal Space Force personnel for the new series of tests and launches.
The Woomera rocket base had been established in 1940 as part of the British Empire rocket programme and had soon become a secure hub for all manner of related activities, including being the forward operating bases for the Tube Alloys tests at Maralinga, Operation Hurricane. This latest operation would dwarf even them, given its importance.
There were other stations around the world involved with tracking the launch – Georgetown in British Guiana, Malindi in Kenya, Trincomalee in Ceylon and Canton Island in the Pacific. All were being coordinated by Mission Control at Jodrell Bank in Britain, assisted ably by Royal Navy cruisers dotting the Atlantic, Pacific and Indian Oceans acting as relay ships.
This was the age of the rocket and it had come not a moment too soon. The British dominance of space had been built upon aetheric spaceships powered by cavorite since the 1870s, but for some reason that baffled British boffins and wizards alike, the cavorite engine cores were decaying and losing power. A flight to the Victoria Base on Luna or either of the other moons now twelve days, compared to the single week that it took Sir William Ashton in 1876, with voyages from there to Venus and Mars taking eight and ten months respectively and Vulcan over a year away. This put the Royal Space Force at a distinct disadvantage against the marauding Space Nazi ships that had begun to plague interplanetary trade, not to mention loosening the position of the British Empire as the dominant power in Southern Mars.
Rockets would allow a spaceman to get from Earth to the moons in just three days and once again ensure that Britannia ruled the waves of aether that ebbed and flowed in the vast emptiness of space between the inner planets. They even promised to one day make it possible to travel beyond the asteroids to the mysterious outer giants, but that was a far off goal. The strange disturbances in the aether would have to remain a mystery for the foreseeable future. For the moment, the aim was far more prosaic.
The sheer cost of the operation had reportedly driven many Treasury officials to despair and strong drink, with £80 million allocated in 1947 alone, or over a quarter of the entire Ministry of Space annual budget. Such was the importance of the postwar space race between the United States, the Soviet Union and the British Empire to the global balance of power. The military dimension could not be separated from the utility of the rocket as a means of space travel. Many nations had flown into space using cavorite ships, but the advances in aerial bombing and atomic weapons in the Second World War had now made the matter far more serious.
The 1930s had seen great advances in rocketry in America, Britain, Russia, France, Austria-Hungary and above all Germany. The outbreak of war in 1939 added great urgency to the secret development programmes of the major powers. The rocket war between Britain and Germany had begun in May 1942, with the bombardment of Dover and Southern England by short range Rheinbote based in the Pas de Calais being met by volleys of Bristol Red Lion rockets three months later. The infamous V-2 was first employed in June 1944 for the terror bombardment of London, being clearly superior to the Saunders-Roe Black Rose that entered service in August. The English Electric Silver Sword was not tested until after the war in December 1945, but outmatched the V-2 clones being developed by the Soviets.
Britain had enjoyed an initial advantage in the fierce contest to swoop up the scientific resources of Nazi Germany after the Osenberg List of German technical experts had been secured by SOE, with over 2000 scientists rounded up by T-Force and 30 Assault Unit under by Captain Sir Ian Fleming and bundled off to Britain for interrogation. Von Braun, Ley, Rudolph and Dornberger had ended up here at Woomera, working with the best minds of the Ministry of Space and the Imperial Rocket Programme headed by the brilliant Professors Bernard Quatermass and George Challenger. The A10 trans-Atlantic rocket design was examined, but cast aside as lacking ambition. A new project began, one with all of the resources that the Empire could muster. The end result was here on the launch pad today – the Vanguard rocket.
Vanguard dwarfed the Silver Sword, V-2 and the American Hermes. It was a white and silver three stage beast almost 180ft tall, surrounded by a cluster of four Silver Sword booster rockets and bearing an enormous Union Jack on its side. The Vanguard was designed to carry three tons of payload to low Earth orbit, with plans to considerably increase it over coming years to incorporate the Royal Space Force’s new rocket powered spaceplane. The RAF and RN were interested in its potential as a long range missile for their competing strategic rocket projects, with a view to carrying a Purple Possum warhead and perhaps an atomic bomb in the future. Today’s payload was different.
The idea had been mooted by a young Ministry of Space boffin named Clarke during the war – artificial moons orbiting the planet to provide wireless and telegraph relays. It struck a chord with the Minister of Space, Sir Henry Tizard, and the Commander of the Royal Space Force, Air Marshal Sir John Dashwood, who saw its potential for supporting the vital moonflights and conducting military reconaissance of Germany and the Soviet Union from space. It soon grew to incorporate a new atomic dimension as Tube Alloys came into fruition. The full scale idea would take time, with von Braun estimating that it would take 10 years to implement. The jump in capability would be enormous, akin to the difference between a tramp steamer and a Floating Fortress. This launch, however, was of a smaller artificial satellite little bigger than a Highball bouncing bomb and weighing only 2000lb of scientific instruments and a wireless transmitter.
The control room was silent with taut tension as the countdown reached zero. Half a second later, the rocket engines began to fire and the massive Vanguard rose slowly into the sky and angle towards the west as it flew ever upwards. Two minutes and fifty six seconds later, the first stage separated. Then the second stage. Then the third stage. All eyes were locked on the telemetry instruments and the wireless. They waited without a sound.
And then it came. The strange electronic beeps and blips that made up the familiar tune of God Save the King .
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1947: Part 2a HMS Paladin, Cape Verde Plain, North Atlantic, March 14th 1947Sub-Lieutenant Thomas Adams looked out at the slate grey sky above the destroyer as it pitched through the baleful waves. He could see the comforting speck of the group’s airship on the horizon and the closer silhouettes of the cruiser Dido and the blockier escort carrier Atheling. Another fine day on patrol, he mused. HMS Paladin was one of four destroyers assigned to the 9th Anti-Submarine Group on its sweep of Sector A18, where their role was to hunt and destroy any rogue undersea contacts. It had been almost two years since the official German surrender, yet there was still the occasional sinking of merchant ships, particularly in the Atlantic, but also in the far reaches of the Indian Ocean. Not all the U-Boats had surrendered or been scuttled in those heady days of victory back in April 1945. Just over fifty long range Type XXIs had broken out, manned by a mixture of fanatical SS crew and various Nazis who were anxious to avoid the tender embrace of the vengeful Allies. Twenty six had been sunk as they ran the gauntlet of Allied aircraft, mines and escorts around Europe in the first week, with ten more apparently reported sunk or scuttled over the next few months. The others had disappeared into the depths of the oceans, ending up in the secret Nazi bases blasted out of the frozen wilderness of Antarctica. They had been responsible for the loss of 12 ships in the South Atlantic and Indian Oceans by September 1945. The Antarctic Campaign of early 1946 had seemed to put an end to the last gasp of the Third Reich, at least on Earth. Ten U-Boats had been reported found in the wreckage of Hitler’s icy empire at the bottom of the world. Peace would once again reign over the seas. Then five merchant ships were lost in the middle of the North Atlantic in a single day on May 4th 1946 in four separate locations. There were at least four rogue Nazi submarines somewhere out there. The Combined Chiefs of Staff had considered a range of responses, with reactivating the full convoy system, but the desperate needs of Europe for food and materiel outweighed this more cautious approach, with increased emphasis on aggressive countermeasures. This was to be a time for hunters, not for shepherds. Aerial patrols were launched over the coasts of South America and some of the most desolate shores of Africa turning up three small recently abandoned supply bases operated by Nazi agents and fifth columnists. The German diaspora in South America was the subject of heavy surveillance and draconian regulation. The last ten months had been a return of sorts to the routines of wartime patrol for the destroyers, frigates and escort carriers of the Allied fleets of the USA, Britain, Canada and France. The Atlantic Ocean had been divided into a number of different sectors, each of which was the responsibility of a particular fleet, which would relentlessly sweep it with aircraft and surface ships. By March 1947, two of the rogue U-Boats had been sunk for the loss of two escorts and just three merchant ships. Slowly but surely, the seas were being cleared; there had been, however, an inexplicable lack of luck as to where the U-Boats were operating from. HMS Paladin was not ideally suited for the hunter-killer role, being one of the general purpose 2500t Standard type ships built just prior to the war. She was equipped with two Squids in addition to her four 5.25” and dozen 40mm guns and had landed her anti-ship torpedoes in favour of the new homing Dealers. The main role of the destroyers was to screen the command cruiser and the carrier, with the fast frigates, helicopters and aircraft to act as the sword of the group. Adams heard the sound of engines and spotted the reassuring sight of the group’s Stirling patrol bomber. The amount of air cover being used by the Atlantic Fleet was phenomenal, with a dozen RNAS squadrons flying out of the Azores, Maderia, the Canaries, Bermuda and St. Peter’s. It had been an RNAS bomber that had got the last rogue in November. Very handy. “Anything to report, Adams?” He turned to see a tall figure in a peaked cap and a royal blue naval robe with gold trim over a white woolen pullover. It was the ship’s wizard, Lieutenant-Commander Oliver Pancormyn. He was responsible for much of the magical equipment and systems on board Paladin, including the crystal ball, the spectrometer, the arcane blasters and the analytical engine. “No sir. Another quiet watch.” Adams replied with a tinge of a sardonic note. “Excellent. A quiet watch. I suppose you are looking forward to coming off and getting some dinner soon. Master Brandywine has another good one whipped up – tomato soup, roast baron of beef and mushrooms, Yorkshire pudding, roast potatoes, turnips and carrots, cauliflower cheese, pease pudding, sprouts, creamed spinach and spotted dick with custard. Not every destroyer gets its own halfling cook straight from the Shires. Most of them go straight to the battleships or the carriers. A quiet watch. I’ve just been down in the scrying room with the crystal ball. 10th Group had a run in with a kraken this morning. Two frigates damaged. Sixty three men missing. Be glad that this watch is quiet, Adams. Theirs wasn’t.” Adams felt chastened by the oblique reproach. “Yes sir.” “See it doesn’t happen again. Enjoy the quiet while it lasts.” The last of the rogue U-Boats was sunk on January 2nd 1948 by USS Hudson (DD-475) in the Sargasso Sea. Interrogation of the surviving crew lead to the capture of the mothership, a disguised tanker, off the coast of Portuguese West Africa twenty three days later. Another great update simon darkshade, i have some questions. So it seems that there are still some rough fanatical Germans out there who do not want to surrender, that make me wonder: (1) did the Allies failed to hit a Nazi base during the Antarctic Campaign of early 1946 ore was this motership the last ship. (2) did Grand admiral Donitz not make his radio address saying German submarines must surface and surrender as he did in OTL. (3) so it seems that the Type XXI submarine did see some combat, but i guess to little to late.
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Post by stevep on Aug 2, 2018 17:48:13 GMT
Three good updates on the late 40's. Surprised a U boat force managed to hold out that long but would have caused serious problems if the force meant convoying had to be maintained. Interesting that rogue groups fought on that long given that OTL the fight seemed to go out of them after the fall of Berlin and the death of Hitler.
The fact there are still monsters like kraken about makes the seas markedly more dangerous for ships than OTL.
Japan really took a pounding in TTL, markedly more damage than OTL, although admittedly it is physically larger than OTL Japan. Possibly the single greatest need for the repair of the ports would have been to have got supplies into the country to prevent total collapse.
A bit surprised that the British took Taiwan as once the US had the Philippines it is rather redundant and going straight for S China might have been more effective?
So cavorite is starting to fail for some reason. Still it sounds like rocket alternatives are being developed, despite the greater gravity well making them more of a problem to develop. Was that launch at Woomera the 1st artificial satellite for any power? Would have thought that someone would have put something up earlier via cavorite means to get some sort of satellites. Still at least Arthur C is going to get even more fame for his idea TTL and good mentions of Quatermass and Challenger.
I suspect that fairly quickly they would move the space base to somewhere near the equator, say N Borneo or E Africa as they offer easier flights to orbit. Plus having sea to the east that would be a good reason for an E African base.
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Post by simon darkshade on Aug 3, 2018 4:53:54 GMT
Thanks gentlemen; nice questions
Lordroel:
The mothership was separate from the Antarctic and based forces. Donitz did order the remaining U-Boats to surrender, but the rogue remnant was part of a specially organised Werwolf group drawn from loyalists within the Kriegsmarine. The Type XXIs were used, resulting in Allied technical and tactical countermeasures.
Steve:
The majority of German forces threw in the towel after the fall of Berlin, but a fanatical core of Waffen SS and Wehrmacht personnel fought on under Heydrich, firstly from Antarctica and then from space.
Kraken, megalodons and sea serpents are but a few of the denizens of the depths; they make for a more perilous ocean, which is a small contributor to the size and armament of some vessels.
Japan was hit badly and needed very urgent support to prevent total collapse, which was rendered in the light of the rapidly developing Cold War. There are some distinct differences to its constitution and political development outlined in this vignette.
The Battle of Formosa was motivated by geopolitical considerations and differences in Allied grand strategy. Churchill did not want the Royal Navy and Royal Marines to take a distinctly secondary role in the final stages of the Pacific War. It was a prize as it gave ample space for airfields in range of Japan and China and nominally protected the flank of the Army's advance to Hong Kong and further north. Large issues of postwar roles in China and supporting different sides in the burgeoning civil war also entered calculations.
Cavorite is beginning to deteriorate; it seems that cores only have a limited life, which wasn't encountered until the late 1930s. The gravity well is not remarkably different, suggesting some changes to the gravitational constant - as said before, this is the cause of no end of vexation to scientists. Prior to the 1930s, the radio and telegraphy technology required for a workable 'artificial moon' was not yet beyond its infancy and sorcerous means of communication had mixed success. The pieces necessary to make a satellite were nominally present from the end of the Great War onwards, but the practical application of theory took a long time to come to fruition. The 1920s and 30s were also, for differing reasons, decades where funds went elsewhere. Hopefully this makes some sense.
East Africa is used from the 1950s forward, as can be seen from Tom Fowler's travels, but Woomera has an attractiveness for development work due to its remote location; there are Ministry of Space facilities spread out across the Commonwealth and Empire.
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Post by lordroel on Aug 3, 2018 6:13:18 GMT
Thanks gentlemen; nice questions East Africa is used from the 1950s forward, as can be seen from Tom Fowler's travels, but Woomera has an attractiveness for development work due to its remote location; there are Ministry of Space facilities spread out across the Commonwealth and Empire. Regards, Simon Question, have forces like the Sudan Defence Force, King's African Rifles and Royal West African Frontier Force and others expanded and grown ore are the British still the once in charge in protecting Africa.
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Post by simon darkshade on Aug 3, 2018 6:27:16 GMT
Local colonial units such as the SDF have a public order/defence role; the KAR and similar units from East and West Africa are organised in a more formal grouping as part of the British African Army.
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Post by lordroel on Aug 3, 2018 6:29:14 GMT
Local colonial units such as the SDF have a public order/defence role; the KAR and similar units from East and West Africa are organised in a more formal grouping as part of the British African Army. So South Africa and Rhodesia can be considered the most powerful off pro-British nation on the African continent.
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Post by simon darkshade on Aug 3, 2018 14:57:26 GMT
They most certainly can. Given that Africa is close to entirely under colonial rule as of 1947 (with the exceptions of Ethiopia and Liberia), the two Dominions have something of a developmental advantage compared to the colonial states.
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