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Post by stevep on Mar 5, 2022 15:46:40 GMT
Steve, 1.) Historically, there was The Jungle Book (1894) and The Second Jungle Book (1895), followed by The Third Jungle Book in the 1990s by some American woman. Here, Sir Rudyard keeps on writing and writing and writing, even at the age of 103; he doesn't suffer the loss of his son in the Great War either. 2.) It was very much a political entity for the last decade or so, representing the legitimacy of Free Poland. It was made up of the aging wartime veterans as the officer and NCO corps, with the rank and file provided by the children of the exile community and the Polish diaspora from the USA, British Empire and France; even then, it was more of a symbolic hollow force than a useful or deployable element. In terms of units, they almost entirely marched on paper and formed a bit of a social club, with the exception of the ceremonial Royal Polish Guards battalion and Winged Hussars regiment. First to go was the Royal Polish Navy, which was laid up by the mid 1950s after being perpetuated as part of the RN. 3.) An OTL event with a longer period of effectivity; the development of artificial organs is rather more advanced. 4.) It was a historical event, yes. No trolls. 5.) Unfortunately, it is a frequent occurence. 6.) Historically, there was a big shift between Roth in 1957 (6-3) and Stanley in 1969 (0-9) on the question of the protection of pornography. A very large part of this came down to the shifting social standards of the Sexual Revolution rather than a really dramatic shift in the alignment of the Supreme Court, although the Warren Court was very much a liberal one given to broad and creative interpretation. Here, the US Supreme Court is rather more conservative, reflecting a more socially conservative society and new Chief Justice Nixon is absolutely no Earl Warren. Some cases will not change, given logic and legal arguments, but where the change was driven by more than a decade of social changes absent on Dark Earth, we won't see them. I'm half wearing my law student hat for the cases out of general interest in exploring how and why very different decisions could eventuate, so I'm not simply going for conservatism for its own sake. 7.) Historically, many of the Maginot Line ouvrages were repurposed for this very role in the 1960s. This is simply a further development of the same notion. You are correct in picking up that it is still used as a defence against certain enemies to the east - both the USSR and the potential enemy, Germany, should politics shift rapidly. Political change happens a lot faster than fortifications can be built, major weapons systems developed and defence posture can be altered, so as an insurance policy, France keeps her nominal defences present, just not readied. 8.) You pick up on the nom de guerre very well and identify the use of both Swahili/East Africa and West African components to it. What possible reason could a figure have for adopting a multi-regional name? 9.) He is already kicking on further than @ and will do so for many years to come. In a way, he will be part of a British 'triumvirate' of science fiction authors (akin to the international one of Asimov, Heinlein and Clarke) along with John Christopher/Sam Youd and Nicholas Fisk, or at least a bit of younger readers/older children's sci-fi. That is one of the few flourishes of personal preference I'm allowing to creep in, having discovered their works in the late 1980s as a boy through the Thames TV adaption of Wyndham's Chocky and then developed a taste for the written works of all three in 1990-1992. Fisk's Trillions of 1972 is an extremely British science fiction story that I was introduced to on audio cassette tape, followed by discovering John Christopher's The Sword of the Spirits trilogy and Wyndham's Day of the Triffids; The Tripods came years later, but appealed to me as an interesting example of British children's science fiction television and an interesting little written work to boot. Christopher and Fisk wrote their best stuff in the late 1960s and early 1970s (as distinct from Wyndham's 1950s pomp) which was and is an era of literature of that genre that I enjoy and appreciate. 10.) It would seem to be a bit of a combination of both, with the early 1960s enthusiasm that did exist in @ in the Khrushchev period not being buried by Brezhnevian malaise and depression as occurred historically. The new chap is responsible for a bit of this continued verve. 11.) I succeeded in my intention in this respect. A 'Weird Cold War' is a bit more threatening (and atmospheric from a literary point of view) than one where all secrets are known in my view. 12.) The West has Bobby Fischer from the USA and a British youngster who will dispute that... 13.) Indeed. The warning was historical, but I decided to chuck in a bit about the old mother's cautionary tale being true to add to the fun, character and style of the world. 14.) I doubt it. There hasn't been any sort of groundswell of demand for change thus far. The cultural normality of school, then national service, then work or study has been drilled in for multiple generations, rather than being a fairly recent phenomenon and, whilst the postwar generation is large, it isn't truly culturally distinct in the manner of @. As of 1969, the year group turning 18 are 1951 drops. Their early childhood was one of war in Korea, followed by a big war in the Middle East. By the time they entered secondary school in 1962/63, they'd lived through another war scare in 1960 and then have seen Vietnam progress through their teenage years. Their parents are either WW2 veterans or lived through both it and the Depression. They've had a lot of affluence, but not the same rebellion in dress, movies and music. Generational change is inevitable, but the same degree of perceived 'revolutionary change' is something that requires additional circumstances and drivers in my view. 15.) The Dark Earth Bond continuity is a bit different to @, so whilst it bears some resemblance to OHMSS, it is a separate story. By 1969, Bond is 45 and rather hardened after 27 years of active service in the RN, SOE and MI6, but lives in a world where the active years of an agent are somewhat more extended through various arcane and medical means; he looks and fights like a chap a dozen years his junior. 16.) It is the descendant of the Martian heat rays used in The War of the Worlds, so is not inefficient in and of itself. Those captured by the British in the 1890s were reverse engineered and tinkered with for over 30 years until they could utilised effectively, initially on skyships and airships, but they never really found an ideal niche. On land, in tactical combat, it offers some advantages, but these continue to be tested and refined into two major streams. The first is a directed energy weapon/laser cannon a la Warhammer 40k, whilst the second is a more genuine heat ray for anti-personnel use: something like the Area Denial System, which can cause pain on its lowest setting all the way up to a beam of superheated energy that can set groups of enemy personnel on fire without vaporising/disintegrating them like some of the film versions of the Heat Ray. 17.) It involved planning, skill, daring and a great deal of good luck, but the additional distances are not utterly impossible. 18.) Medicare for All is an attractive proposition, but an expensive one, both financially and politically. 19.) Rather. Rather. Something very different is going on in the past. 20.) It is largely a precaution, but anything falling from the sky leads to a big reaction after the events of the last decade. 21.) I couldn't see a way towards changing the result, unfortunately. Maybe next year. 22.) No, in this case it was sound from an older, louder helicopter, combined with that old chestnut of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. 23.) I see you saw where I was going there. 24.) Nothing helps reduce tensions than a visit from the big boys on the block to remind the neighbours to keep the noise down. 25.) Whilst they don't have anywhere near the resources of the really powerful teams in Test Cricket, they are evolving. The titan in the making is India, given the quality of players who started in @ in the 1970s in India and Pakistan.
1.) Historically, there was The Jungle Book (1894) and The Second Jungle Book (1895), followed by The Third Jungle Book in the 1990s by some American woman. Here, Sir Rudyard keeps on writing and writing and writing, even at the age of 103; he doesn't suffer the loss of his son in the Great War either. - Well that's good for him.
5.) Unfortunately, it is a frequent occurrence. - The US and its perverse interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, albeit that at that date organisations like the NRA were actually fairly responsible rather than the advocates for terrorism and criminality it is now.
8.) You pick up on the nom de guerre very well and identify the use of both Swahili/East Africa and West African components to it. What possible reason could a figure have for adopting a multi-regional name? - Very ambitious seeking to bridge such a range. Especially given how heterogeneous African culture and society is.
9.) He is already kicking on further than @ and will do so for many years to come. In a way, he will be part of a British 'triumvirate' of science fiction authors (akin to the international one of Asimov, Heinlein and Clarke) along with John Christopher/Sam Youd and Nicholas Fisk, or at least a bit of younger readers/older children's sci-fi. That is one of the few flourishes of personal preference I'm allowing to creep in, having discovered their works in the late 1980s as a boy through the Thames TV adaption of Wyndham's Chocky and then developed a taste for the written works of all three in 1990-1992.
Fisk's Trillions of 1972 is an extremely British science fiction story that I was introduced to on audio cassette tape, followed by discovering John Christopher's The Sword of the Spirits trilogy and Wyndham's Day of the Triffids; The Tripods came years later, but appealed to me as an interesting example of British children's science fiction television and an interesting little written work to boot. Christopher and Fisk wrote their best stuff in the late 1960s and early 1970s (as distinct from Wyndham's 1950s pomp) which was and is an era of literature of that genre that I enjoy and appreciate. - I must admit I don't know the other two although looking at Christopher's works I do remember seeing a film that sounds like it was [possibly loosely] based on his Death of Grass story.
11.) I succeeded in my intention in this respect. A 'Weird Cold War' is a bit more threatening (and atmospheric from a literary point of view) than one where all secrets are known in my view. - Looking forward to seeing if we find out more about this. 12.) The West has Bobby Fischer from the USA and a British youngster who will dispute that... - Ah but their only two people compared to the depth in strength of the Soviet grand masters. I take it that the British youngster is the late Tony Miles - something of a shock to realise he died 21 years back! 13.) Indeed. The warning was historical, but I decided to chuck in a bit about the old mother's cautionary tale being true to add to the fun, character and style of the world. - 14.) I doubt it. There hasn't been any sort of groundswell of demand for change thus far. The cultural normality of school, then national service, then work or study has been drilled in for multiple generations, rather than being a fairly recent phenomenon and, whilst the postwar generation is large, it isn't truly culturally distinct in the manner of @. As of 1969, the year group turning 18 are 1951 drops. Their early childhood was one of war in Korea, followed by a big war in the Middle East. By the time they entered secondary school in 1962/63, they'd lived through another war scare in 1960 and then have seen Vietnam progress through their teenage years. Their parents are either WW2 veterans or lived through both it and the Depression. They've had a lot of affluence, but not the same rebellion in dress, movies and music. Generational change is inevitable, but the same degree of perceived 'revolutionary change' is something that requires additional circumstances and drivers in my view. - Have doubts here. They don't have the same money and time possibly as OTL teenagers which meant there was a commercial interest in them as a market. However there is arguably even more demand for this sort of political reform as a lot more is being demanded of them but their being denied the corresponding rights to match those responsibilities. Not necessarily talking of the sort of extravagant social differences but there's a clear argument for leveling up their position. 15.) The Dark Earth Bond continuity is a bit different to @, so whilst it bears some resemblance to OHMSS, it is a separate story. By 1969, Bond is 45 and rather hardened after 27 years of active service in the RN, SOE and MI6, but lives in a world where the active years of an agent are somewhat more extended through various arcane and medical means; he looks and fights like a chap a dozen years his junior. - Must admit I was forgetting Bond is a person here as opposed to a fictional character. 17.) It involved planning, skill, daring and a great deal of good luck, but the additional distances are not utterly impossible. - Mind you there is the additional problem that a relatively small yacht can be a snack in the DE universe. Which could mean that some earlier attempts or later bids to match his achievement ends rather badly. 18.) Medicare for All is an attractive proposition, but an expensive one, both financially and politically. - In the short term anyway but can save a hell of a lot of money in the longer term. Although that's if its done properly and politicians and economic interests don't get to twist the system for their advantage. If the US avoids the extremely expensive and often inefficient mess they have OTL it could be of lasting benefit to the US. 19.) Rather. Rather. Something very different is going on in the past. - going on rather implies its still ongoing or interacting with the present day. Or did you simply mean went on? Either way would be interesting to find out more. 21.) I couldn't see a way towards changing the result, unfortunately. Maybe next year. - No problem. In my 1st two years of paying attention to the FA Cup final I supported the losers, WBA and then Leicester and then in 1970 I finally broke my duck and had Chelsea win. - Had rather a childish dislike of Leeds under Don Revie at the time but then I was only 10 at the time. 23.) I see you saw where I was going there. - 25.) Whilst they don't have anywhere near the resources of the really powerful teams in Test Cricket, they are evolving. The titan in the making is India, given the quality of players who started in @ in the 1970s in India and Pakistan. - Well if they get suitable political stability and are able to mobilize their population, with the fevour that cricket promotes in the sub continent their always likely to be giants. Mind you are we seeing the Windies having a period of domination in DE cricket in this time period?
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Post by stevep on Mar 5, 2022 15:48:16 GMT
In Reply #15 of the large post directly above. There is a pretty significant event on April 21st; as a hint, there has been a reason to the body counts I’ve posted regularly since mid 1967…
Yes given the sheer firepower and repeated defeats the communists have suffered, even with the markedly larger populations on DE if only say 1/3 of the deaths are actual communist fighters their suffering very badly.
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Post by simon darkshade on Mar 5, 2022 16:00:24 GMT
In Reply #15 of the large post directly above. There is a pretty significant event on April 21st; as a hint, there has been a reason to the body counts I’ve posted regularly since mid 1967…
Yes given the sheer firepower and repeated defeats the communists have suffered, even with the markedly larger populations on DE if only say 1/3 of the deaths are actual communist fighters their suffering very badly.
You are correct on the disparity between claims and actual numbers, but more than that, there was a quite accurate assessment of VC and NVA numbers in the South in mid 1967. From there, I’ve been keeping a tally of the cumulative body count since then along with reinforcement rates. Once the HCM Trail was cut, supply and reinforcement doesn’t bolster that number. This crosses the point where there is a significant VC number and marks the shift into the final phase of the war.
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Post by simon darkshade on Mar 6, 2022 2:46:35 GMT
Steve, 1.) Historically, there was The Jungle Book (1894) and The Second Jungle Book (1895), followed by The Third Jungle Book in the 1990s by some American woman. Here, Sir Rudyard keeps on writing and writing and writing, even at the age of 103; he doesn't suffer the loss of his son in the Great War either. 2.) It was very much a political entity for the last decade or so, representing the legitimacy of Free Poland. It was made up of the aging wartime veterans as the officer and NCO corps, with the rank and file provided by the children of the exile community and the Polish diaspora from the USA, British Empire and France; even then, it was more of a symbolic hollow force than a useful or deployable element. In terms of units, they almost entirely marched on paper and formed a bit of a social club, with the exception of the ceremonial Royal Polish Guards battalion and Winged Hussars regiment. First to go was the Royal Polish Navy, which was laid up by the mid 1950s after being perpetuated as part of the RN. 3.) An OTL event with a longer period of effectivity; the development of artificial organs is rather more advanced. 4.) It was a historical event, yes. No trolls. 5.) Unfortunately, it is a frequent occurence. 6.) Historically, there was a big shift between Roth in 1957 (6-3) and Stanley in 1969 (0-9) on the question of the protection of pornography. A very large part of this came down to the shifting social standards of the Sexual Revolution rather than a really dramatic shift in the alignment of the Supreme Court, although the Warren Court was very much a liberal one given to broad and creative interpretation. Here, the US Supreme Court is rather more conservative, reflecting a more socially conservative society and new Chief Justice Nixon is absolutely no Earl Warren. Some cases will not change, given logic and legal arguments, but where the change was driven by more than a decade of social changes absent on Dark Earth, we won't see them. I'm half wearing my law student hat for the cases out of general interest in exploring how and why very different decisions could eventuate, so I'm not simply going for conservatism for its own sake. 7.) Historically, many of the Maginot Line ouvrages were repurposed for this very role in the 1960s. This is simply a further development of the same notion. You are correct in picking up that it is still used as a defence against certain enemies to the east - both the USSR and the potential enemy, Germany, should politics shift rapidly. Political change happens a lot faster than fortifications can be built, major weapons systems developed and defence posture can be altered, so as an insurance policy, France keeps her nominal defences present, just not readied. 8.) You pick up on the nom de guerre very well and identify the use of both Swahili/East Africa and West African components to it. What possible reason could a figure have for adopting a multi-regional name? 9.) He is already kicking on further than @ and will do so for many years to come. In a way, he will be part of a British 'triumvirate' of science fiction authors (akin to the international one of Asimov, Heinlein and Clarke) along with John Christopher/Sam Youd and Nicholas Fisk, or at least a bit of younger readers/older children's sci-fi. That is one of the few flourishes of personal preference I'm allowing to creep in, having discovered their works in the late 1980s as a boy through the Thames TV adaption of Wyndham's Chocky and then developed a taste for the written works of all three in 1990-1992. Fisk's Trillions of 1972 is an extremely British science fiction story that I was introduced to on audio cassette tape, followed by discovering John Christopher's The Sword of the Spirits trilogy and Wyndham's Day of the Triffids; The Tripods came years later, but appealed to me as an interesting example of British children's science fiction television and an interesting little written work to boot. Christopher and Fisk wrote their best stuff in the late 1960s and early 1970s (as distinct from Wyndham's 1950s pomp) which was and is an era of literature of that genre that I enjoy and appreciate. 10.) It would seem to be a bit of a combination of both, with the early 1960s enthusiasm that did exist in @ in the Khrushchev period not being buried by Brezhnevian malaise and depression as occurred historically. The new chap is responsible for a bit of this continued verve. 11.) I succeeded in my intention in this respect. A 'Weird Cold War' is a bit more threatening (and atmospheric from a literary point of view) than one where all secrets are known in my view. 12.) The West has Bobby Fischer from the USA and a British youngster who will dispute that... 13.) Indeed. The warning was historical, but I decided to chuck in a bit about the old mother's cautionary tale being true to add to the fun, character and style of the world. 14.) I doubt it. There hasn't been any sort of groundswell of demand for change thus far. The cultural normality of school, then national service, then work or study has been drilled in for multiple generations, rather than being a fairly recent phenomenon and, whilst the postwar generation is large, it isn't truly culturally distinct in the manner of @. As of 1969, the year group turning 18 are 1951 drops. Their early childhood was one of war in Korea, followed by a big war in the Middle East. By the time they entered secondary school in 1962/63, they'd lived through another war scare in 1960 and then have seen Vietnam progress through their teenage years. Their parents are either WW2 veterans or lived through both it and the Depression. They've had a lot of affluence, but not the same rebellion in dress, movies and music. Generational change is inevitable, but the same degree of perceived 'revolutionary change' is something that requires additional circumstances and drivers in my view. 15.) The Dark Earth Bond continuity is a bit different to @, so whilst it bears some resemblance to OHMSS, it is a separate story. By 1969, Bond is 45 and rather hardened after 27 years of active service in the RN, SOE and MI6, but lives in a world where the active years of an agent are somewhat more extended through various arcane and medical means; he looks and fights like a chap a dozen years his junior. 16.) It is the descendant of the Martian heat rays used in The War of the Worlds, so is not inefficient in and of itself. Those captured by the British in the 1890s were reverse engineered and tinkered with for over 30 years until they could utilised effectively, initially on skyships and airships, but they never really found an ideal niche. On land, in tactical combat, it offers some advantages, but these continue to be tested and refined into two major streams. The first is a directed energy weapon/laser cannon a la Warhammer 40k, whilst the second is a more genuine heat ray for anti-personnel use: something like the Area Denial System, which can cause pain on its lowest setting all the way up to a beam of superheated energy that can set groups of enemy personnel on fire without vaporising/disintegrating them like some of the film versions of the Heat Ray. 17.) It involved planning, skill, daring and a great deal of good luck, but the additional distances are not utterly impossible. 18.) Medicare for All is an attractive proposition, but an expensive one, both financially and politically. 19.) Rather. Rather. Something very different is going on in the past. 20.) It is largely a precaution, but anything falling from the sky leads to a big reaction after the events of the last decade. 21.) I couldn't see a way towards changing the result, unfortunately. Maybe next year. 22.) No, in this case it was sound from an older, louder helicopter, combined with that old chestnut of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. 23.) I see you saw where I was going there. 24.) Nothing helps reduce tensions than a visit from the big boys on the block to remind the neighbours to keep the noise down. 25.) Whilst they don't have anywhere near the resources of the really powerful teams in Test Cricket, they are evolving. The titan in the making is India, given the quality of players who started in @ in the 1970s in India and Pakistan.
1.) Historically, there was The Jungle Book (1894) and The Second Jungle Book (1895), followed by The Third Jungle Book in the 1990s by some American woman. Here, Sir Rudyard keeps on writing and writing and writing, even at the age of 103; he doesn't suffer the loss of his son in the Great War either. - Well that's good for him.
5.) Unfortunately, it is a frequent occurrence. - The US and its perverse interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, albeit that at that date organisations like the NRA were actually fairly responsible rather than the advocates for terrorism and criminality it is now.
8.) You pick up on the nom de guerre very well and identify the use of both Swahili/East Africa and West African components to it. What possible reason could a figure have for adopting a multi-regional name? - Very ambitious seeking to bridge such a range. Especially given how heterogeneous African culture and society is.
9.) He is already kicking on further than @ and will do so for many years to come. In a way, he will be part of a British 'triumvirate' of science fiction authors (akin to the international one of Asimov, Heinlein and Clarke) along with John Christopher/Sam Youd and Nicholas Fisk, or at least a bit of younger readers/older children's sci-fi. That is one of the few flourishes of personal preference I'm allowing to creep in, having discovered their works in the late 1980s as a boy through the Thames TV adaption of Wyndham's Chocky and then developed a taste for the written works of all three in 1990-1992.
Fisk's Trillions of 1972 is an extremely British science fiction story that I was introduced to on audio cassette tape, followed by discovering John Christopher's The Sword of the Spirits trilogy and Wyndham's Day of the Triffids; The Tripods came years later, but appealed to me as an interesting example of British children's science fiction television and an interesting little written work to boot. Christopher and Fisk wrote their best stuff in the late 1960s and early 1970s (as distinct from Wyndham's 1950s pomp) which was and is an era of literature of that genre that I enjoy and appreciate. - I must admit I don't know the other two although looking at Christopher's works I do remember seeing a film that sounds like it was [possibly loosely] based on his Death of Grass story.
11.) I succeeded in my intention in this respect. A 'Weird Cold War' is a bit more threatening (and atmospheric from a literary point of view) than one where all secrets are known in my view. - Looking forward to seeing if we find out more about this. 12.) The West has Bobby Fischer from the USA and a British youngster who will dispute that... - Ah but their only two people compared to the depth in strength of the Soviet grand masters. I take it that the British youngster is the late Tony Miles - something of a shock to realise he died 21 years back! 13.) Indeed. The warning was historical, but I decided to chuck in a bit about the old mother's cautionary tale being true to add to the fun, character and style of the world. - 14.) I doubt it. There hasn't been any sort of groundswell of demand for change thus far. The cultural normality of school, then national service, then work or study has been drilled in for multiple generations, rather than being a fairly recent phenomenon and, whilst the postwar generation is large, it isn't truly culturally distinct in the manner of @. As of 1969, the year group turning 18 are 1951 drops. Their early childhood was one of war in Korea, followed by a big war in the Middle East. By the time they entered secondary school in 1962/63, they'd lived through another war scare in 1960 and then have seen Vietnam progress through their teenage years. Their parents are either WW2 veterans or lived through both it and the Depression. They've had a lot of affluence, but not the same rebellion in dress, movies and music. Generational change is inevitable, but the same degree of perceived 'revolutionary change' is something that requires additional circumstances and drivers in my view. - Have doubts here. They don't have the same money and time possibly as OTL teenagers which meant there was a commercial interest in them as a market. However there is arguably even more demand for this sort of political reform as a lot more is being demanded of them but their being denied the corresponding rights to match those responsibilities. Not necessarily talking of the sort of extravagant social differences but there's a clear argument for leveling up their position. 15.) The Dark Earth Bond continuity is a bit different to @, so whilst it bears some resemblance to OHMSS, it is a separate story. By 1969, Bond is 45 and rather hardened after 27 years of active service in the RN, SOE and MI6, but lives in a world where the active years of an agent are somewhat more extended through various arcane and medical means; he looks and fights like a chap a dozen years his junior. - Must admit I was forgetting Bond is a person here as opposed to a fictional character. 17.) It involved planning, skill, daring and a great deal of good luck, but the additional distances are not utterly impossible. - Mind you there is the additional problem that a relatively small yacht can be a snack in the DE universe. Which could mean that some earlier attempts or later bids to match his achievement ends rather badly. 18.) Medicare for All is an attractive proposition, but an expensive one, both financially and politically. - In the short term anyway but can save a hell of a lot of money in the longer term. Although that's if its done properly and politicians and economic interests don't get to twist the system for their advantage. If the US avoids the extremely expensive and often inefficient mess they have OTL it could be of lasting benefit to the US. 19.) Rather. Rather. Something very different is going on in the past. - going on rather implies its still ongoing or interacting with the present day. Or did you simply mean went on? Either way would be interesting to find out more. 21.) I couldn't see a way towards changing the result, unfortunately. Maybe next year. - No problem. In my 1st two years of paying attention to the FA Cup final I supported the losers, WBA and then Leicester and then in 1970 I finally broke my duck and had Chelsea win. - Had rather a childish dislike of Leeds under Don Revie at the time but then I was only 10 at the time. 23.) I see you saw where I was going there. - 25.) Whilst they don't have anywhere near the resources of the really powerful teams in Test Cricket, they are evolving. The titan in the making is India, given the quality of players who started in @ in the 1970s in India and Pakistan. - Well if they get suitable political stability and are able to mobilize their population, with the fevour that cricket promotes in the sub continent their always likely to be giants. Mind you are we seeing the Windies having a period of domination in DE cricket in this time period?
Steve
Steve, 1.) It does provide for not only a better personal life for the Kiplings, but opens to the door to some different literature and poetry for the wider public. 5.) There isn't really any perverse interpretation of the 2nd Amendment at this point and it is indeed unlikely that guns will be politicised in the USA to anywhere near the same extent. There were no drivers for the Gun Control Act of 1968, but the mail order purchase of firearms isn't significant enough to cause any issues without the 1960s prominent assassinations. Gosh. in the absence of Prohibition, the 1934 National Firearms Act doesn't likely occur. I see the general development of firearms law following a similar path on both sides of the Atlantic, with some common sense measures for military machine guns and 'destructive devices' but no significant change from the 1950s and early 1960s status quo until there is a big driver for change. Here, the American NRA has a similar role to the British NRA of earlier times - running competitions, teaching youngsters how to shoot, organising activities and picnics and promoting firearms safety. 8.) Good. You picked up on the Pan-African intent. The goals of various groups are nothing if not ambitious. 9.) The Death of Grass is perhaps the most well known of Christopher's 'adult' works, which fits very handily into the 'cosy catastrophe' sub-genre. As said, this is the exact era/origin point of a large number of my favourite works and styles, so it is interesting to weave in appropriate homages and try and work in their various styles/tones. Whilst television series of that era were less sophisticated technically than today, they did have a great deal of adherence to form, style and tone; similarly, the novels, be they children's or adult, were quite solid stories without a lot of frippery. 11.) Some will come out in Timeline entries, but other stuff I want to explore in longer stories. I do have a dream of the universe being a more open one for other authorial contributions one day. 12.) Miles is certainly one, but I do have plans for a fictional wunderkind... 13.) I'll have to assemble some other relevant old wives' tales and urban myths of the 1960s and 70s to add to the immersion. 14.) As said, the waiting for political rights in nothing new and is simply seen as an extension of how life is unfair for youngsters, a constant gripe for children of all ages throughout the ages. An argument may be there, no doubt of it, but it isn't a publicly compelling one nor one with exceptional cut through. There are simply different ages - some for drinking alcohol and buying tobacco, some for driving, some for marriage, some for military service and some for legal and electoral rights and responsibilities. This is combined with the ongoing culture of deference to authority and age, a longer life expectancy and a later school leaving age compared to @. 15.) It does put a different slant on his adventures. 17.) There is that threat, certainly, but the size of civilian yachts are both smaller and quieter than some of the fishing vessels that tend to attract attention from nasty things beneath the waves. 18.) I quite agree with what you've written, but it is going to have teething problems to put in place due to cultural/socio-political issues. It will cost a fair bit of the political capital built up over the 1960s at a minimum. 19.) You do pick up on wording very well. 21.) I shall endeavour to work within the scope of your 10 year old needs. 25.) All correct on India; there is still the circumstance of Indian princes playing in England when attending university. The West Indies are going to have even more stars on top of their already formidable line up, along with the powerful Australian side of the 1970s, the South Africans who were cut off in @ and very, very good English and American sides. An interesting cricketing decade.
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Post by stevep on Mar 6, 2022 16:08:20 GMT
1.) Historically, there was The Jungle Book (1894) and The Second Jungle Book (1895), followed by The Third Jungle Book in the 1990s by some American woman. Here, Sir Rudyard keeps on writing and writing and writing, even at the age of 103; he doesn't suffer the loss of his son in the Great War either. - Well that's good for him.
5.) Unfortunately, it is a frequent occurrence. - The US and its perverse interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, albeit that at that date organisations like the NRA were actually fairly responsible rather than the advocates for terrorism and criminality it is now.
8.) You pick up on the nom de guerre very well and identify the use of both Swahili/East Africa and West African components to it. What possible reason could a figure have for adopting a multi-regional name? - Very ambitious seeking to bridge such a range. Especially given how heterogeneous African culture and society is.
9.) He is already kicking on further than @ and will do so for many years to come. In a way, he will be part of a British 'triumvirate' of science fiction authors (akin to the international one of Asimov, Heinlein and Clarke) along with John Christopher/Sam Youd and Nicholas Fisk, or at least a bit of younger readers/older children's sci-fi. That is one of the few flourishes of personal preference I'm allowing to creep in, having discovered their works in the late 1980s as a boy through the Thames TV adaption of Wyndham's Chocky and then developed a taste for the written works of all three in 1990-1992.
Fisk's Trillions of 1972 is an extremely British science fiction story that I was introduced to on audio cassette tape, followed by discovering John Christopher's The Sword of the Spirits trilogy and Wyndham's Day of the Triffids; The Tripods came years later, but appealed to me as an interesting example of British children's science fiction television and an interesting little written work to boot. Christopher and Fisk wrote their best stuff in the late 1960s and early 1970s (as distinct from Wyndham's 1950s pomp) which was and is an era of literature of that genre that I enjoy and appreciate. - I must admit I don't know the other two although looking at Christopher's works I do remember seeing a film that sounds like it was [possibly loosely] based on his Death of Grass story.
11.) I succeeded in my intention in this respect. A 'Weird Cold War' is a bit more threatening (and atmospheric from a literary point of view) than one where all secrets are known in my view. - Looking forward to seeing if we find out more about this. 12.) The West has Bobby Fischer from the USA and a British youngster who will dispute that... - Ah but their only two people compared to the depth in strength of the Soviet grand masters. I take it that the British youngster is the late Tony Miles - something of a shock to realise he died 21 years back! 13.) Indeed. The warning was historical, but I decided to chuck in a bit about the old mother's cautionary tale being true to add to the fun, character and style of the world. - 14.) I doubt it. There hasn't been any sort of groundswell of demand for change thus far. The cultural normality of school, then national service, then work or study has been drilled in for multiple generations, rather than being a fairly recent phenomenon and, whilst the postwar generation is large, it isn't truly culturally distinct in the manner of @. As of 1969, the year group turning 18 are 1951 drops. Their early childhood was one of war in Korea, followed by a big war in the Middle East. By the time they entered secondary school in 1962/63, they'd lived through another war scare in 1960 and then have seen Vietnam progress through their teenage years. Their parents are either WW2 veterans or lived through both it and the Depression. They've had a lot of affluence, but not the same rebellion in dress, movies and music. Generational change is inevitable, but the same degree of perceived 'revolutionary change' is something that requires additional circumstances and drivers in my view. - Have doubts here. They don't have the same money and time possibly as OTL teenagers which meant there was a commercial interest in them as a market. However there is arguably even more demand for this sort of political reform as a lot more is being demanded of them but their being denied the corresponding rights to match those responsibilities. Not necessarily talking of the sort of extravagant social differences but there's a clear argument for leveling up their position. 15.) The Dark Earth Bond continuity is a bit different to @, so whilst it bears some resemblance to OHMSS, it is a separate story. By 1969, Bond is 45 and rather hardened after 27 years of active service in the RN, SOE and MI6, but lives in a world where the active years of an agent are somewhat more extended through various arcane and medical means; he looks and fights like a chap a dozen years his junior. - Must admit I was forgetting Bond is a person here as opposed to a fictional character. 17.) It involved planning, skill, daring and a great deal of good luck, but the additional distances are not utterly impossible. - Mind you there is the additional problem that a relatively small yacht can be a snack in the DE universe. Which could mean that some earlier attempts or later bids to match his achievement ends rather badly. 18.) Medicare for All is an attractive proposition, but an expensive one, both financially and politically. - In the short term anyway but can save a hell of a lot of money in the longer term. Although that's if its done properly and politicians and economic interests don't get to twist the system for their advantage. If the US avoids the extremely expensive and often inefficient mess they have OTL it could be of lasting benefit to the US. 19.) Rather. Rather. Something very different is going on in the past. - going on rather implies its still ongoing or interacting with the present day. Or did you simply mean went on? Either way would be interesting to find out more. 21.) I couldn't see a way towards changing the result, unfortunately. Maybe next year. - No problem. In my 1st two years of paying attention to the FA Cup final I supported the losers, WBA and then Leicester and then in 1970 I finally broke my duck and had Chelsea win. - Had rather a childish dislike of Leeds under Don Revie at the time but then I was only 10 at the time. 23.) I see you saw where I was going there. - 25.) Whilst they don't have anywhere near the resources of the really powerful teams in Test Cricket, they are evolving. The titan in the making is India, given the quality of players who started in @ in the 1970s in India and Pakistan. - Well if they get suitable political stability and are able to mobilize their population, with the fevour that cricket promotes in the sub continent their always likely to be giants. Mind you are we seeing the Windies having a period of domination in DE cricket in this time period?
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Steve, 1.) It does provide for not only a better personal life for the Kiplings, but opens to the door to some different literature and poetry for the wider public. 5.) There isn't really any perverse interpretation of the 2nd Amendment at this point and it is indeed unlikely that guns will be politicised in the USA to anywhere near the same extent. There were no drivers for the Gun Control Act of 1968, but the mail order purchase of firearms isn't significant enough to cause any issues without the 1960s prominent assassinations. Gosh. in the absence of Prohibition, the 1934 National Firearms Act doesn't likely occur. I see the general development of firearms law following a similar path on both sides of the Atlantic, with some common sense measures for military machine guns and 'destructive devices' but no significant change from the 1950s and early 1960s status quo until there is a big driver for change. Here, the American NRA has a similar role to the British NRA of earlier times - running competitions, teaching youngsters how to shoot, organising activities and picnics and promoting firearms safety. 8.) Good. You picked up on the Pan-African intent. The goals of various groups are nothing if not ambitious. 9.) The Death of Grass is perhaps the most well known of Christopher's 'adult' works, which fits very handily into the 'cosy catastrophe' sub-genre. As said, this is the exact era/origin point of a large number of my favourite works and styles, so it is interesting to weave in appropriate homages and try and work in their various styles/tones. Whilst television series of that era were less sophisticated technically than today, they did have a great deal of adherence to form, style and tone; similarly, the novels, be they children's or adult, were quite solid stories without a lot of frippery. 11.) Some will come out in Timeline entries, but other stuff I want to explore in longer stories. I do have a dream of the universe being a more open one for other authorial contributions one day. 12.) Miles is certainly one, but I do have plans for a fictional wunderkind... 13.) I'll have to assemble some other relevant old wives' tales and urban myths of the 1960s and 70s to add to the immersion. 14.) As said, the waiting for political rights in nothing new and is simply seen as an extension of how life is unfair for youngsters, a constant gripe for children of all ages throughout the ages. An argument may be there, no doubt of it, but it isn't a publicly compelling one nor one with exceptional cut through. There are simply different ages - some for drinking alcohol and buying tobacco, some for driving, some for marriage, some for military service and some for legal and electoral rights and responsibilities. This is combined with the ongoing culture of deference to authority and age, a longer life expectancy and a later school leaving age compared to @. 15.) It does put a different slant on his adventures. 17.) There is that threat, certainly, but the size of civilian yachts are both smaller and quieter than some of the fishing vessels that tend to attract attention from nasty things beneath the waves. 18.) I quite agree with what you've written, but it is going to have teething problems to put in place due to cultural/socio-political issues. It will cost a fair bit of the political capital built up over the 1960s at a minimum. 19.) You do pick up on wording very well. 21.) I shall endeavour to work within the scope of your 10 year old needs. 25.) All correct on India; there is still the circumstance of Indian princes playing in England when attending university. The West Indies are going to have even more stars on top of their already formidable line up, along with the powerful Australian side of the 1970s, the South Africans who were cut off in @ and very, very good English and American sides. An interesting cricketing decade.
Without distracting things too far I would point out on 14 that sooner or later the demand for equal treatment does start to come and then gets more and more frustrated if ignored. If you have people who aren't allowed a say in their world until the age of 21 but are expected to comply with all its laws and demands for year prior to that, which not only includes being taxed here but also forced into a period of military service [or other can't remember if there are other forms of community service] then they have an argument. Especially given that the latter role can be very dangerous in on DE. It was after all the insistence of the US in using teenage conscripts for much of the forces engaged in Vietnam which was a factor in levels of unrest and resentment OTL.
Speaking personally I was somewhat prominent in that personally. Objecting to being treated as less than human from about the age of 13 onward. Not just in terms of voting rights but the general contempt displayed to people in that age range. True my view that I was a full adult at that age was probably somewhat off in hindsight but I could still argue that the young me was at least as responsible and thoughtful - my primary definition of adult - as most people older, both then and now.
Good point on 17 and interested to see what develops on 8, 11, 12, 19 & 25. Have to see what you come up with on 13.
In terms of point 21 the key issue was probably the following year. As I said I have a childish dislike of Revie and Leeds so that year finally settled on a permanent 2nd team and we ended up not only denying Leeds the title but winning the double. Mind you there is a far, far more important football result in 1970 that any club event but whether we can do it 3 times in a role, especially in Mexico, would be pushing it a lot.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 6, 2022 16:39:43 GMT
MayMay 2: Launch of the new Cunard superliner Queen Mary 2 at Harland and Wolff in Belfast by Queen Elizabeth II in front of a crowd of 100,000. The sister ship to RMS Queen Elizabeth 2 is due to be completed late next year and the pair is rivalled in size only by White Star Line’s new liners still under construction.. So what are the French building to rival this in honor of getting the Blue Riband.
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Post by simon darkshade on Mar 6, 2022 16:45:19 GMT
The Blue Riband has been a competition between SS United States and RMS Great Britain since the 1940s. SS France can’t compete in raw speed with them.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 6, 2022 16:56:13 GMT
The Blue Riband has been a competition between SS United States and RMS Great Britain since the 1940s. SS France can’t compete in raw speed with them. So the French are not even trying, what about Germany.
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Post by simon darkshade on Mar 6, 2022 17:01:06 GMT
They are well and truly further back, having only been gradually allowed back into the liner conferences.
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Post by simon darkshade on Mar 7, 2022 1:55:27 GMT
Steve, 1.) It does provide for not only a better personal life for the Kiplings, but opens to the door to some different literature and poetry for the wider public. 5.) There isn't really any perverse interpretation of the 2nd Amendment at this point and it is indeed unlikely that guns will be politicised in the USA to anywhere near the same extent. There were no drivers for the Gun Control Act of 1968, but the mail order purchase of firearms isn't significant enough to cause any issues without the 1960s prominent assassinations. Gosh. in the absence of Prohibition, the 1934 National Firearms Act doesn't likely occur. I see the general development of firearms law following a similar path on both sides of the Atlantic, with some common sense measures for military machine guns and 'destructive devices' but no significant change from the 1950s and early 1960s status quo until there is a big driver for change. Here, the American NRA has a similar role to the British NRA of earlier times - running competitions, teaching youngsters how to shoot, organising activities and picnics and promoting firearms safety. 8.) Good. You picked up on the Pan-African intent. The goals of various groups are nothing if not ambitious. 9.) The Death of Grass is perhaps the most well known of Christopher's 'adult' works, which fits very handily into the 'cosy catastrophe' sub-genre. As said, this is the exact era/origin point of a large number of my favourite works and styles, so it is interesting to weave in appropriate homages and try and work in their various styles/tones. Whilst television series of that era were less sophisticated technically than today, they did have a great deal of adherence to form, style and tone; similarly, the novels, be they children's or adult, were quite solid stories without a lot of frippery. 11.) Some will come out in Timeline entries, but other stuff I want to explore in longer stories. I do have a dream of the universe being a more open one for other authorial contributions one day. 12.) Miles is certainly one, but I do have plans for a fictional wunderkind... 13.) I'll have to assemble some other relevant old wives' tales and urban myths of the 1960s and 70s to add to the immersion. 14.) As said, the waiting for political rights in nothing new and is simply seen as an extension of how life is unfair for youngsters, a constant gripe for children of all ages throughout the ages. An argument may be there, no doubt of it, but it isn't a publicly compelling one nor one with exceptional cut through. There are simply different ages - some for drinking alcohol and buying tobacco, some for driving, some for marriage, some for military service and some for legal and electoral rights and responsibilities. This is combined with the ongoing culture of deference to authority and age, a longer life expectancy and a later school leaving age compared to @. 15.) It does put a different slant on his adventures. 17.) There is that threat, certainly, but the size of civilian yachts are both smaller and quieter than some of the fishing vessels that tend to attract attention from nasty things beneath the waves. 18.) I quite agree with what you've written, but it is going to have teething problems to put in place due to cultural/socio-political issues. It will cost a fair bit of the political capital built up over the 1960s at a minimum. 19.) You do pick up on wording very well. 21.) I shall endeavour to work within the scope of your 10 year old needs. 25.) All correct on India; there is still the circumstance of Indian princes playing in England when attending university. The West Indies are going to have even more stars on top of their already formidable line up, along with the powerful Australian side of the 1970s, the South Africans who were cut off in @ and very, very good English and American sides. An interesting cricketing decade.
Without distracting things too far I would point out on 14 that sooner or later the demand for equal treatment does start to come and then gets more and more frustrated if ignored. If you have people who aren't allowed a say in their world until the age of 21 but are expected to comply with all its laws and demands for year prior to that, which not only includes being taxed here but also forced into a period of military service [or other can't remember if there are other forms of community service] then they have an argument. Especially given that the latter role can be very dangerous in on DE. It was after all the insistence of the US in using teenage conscripts for much of the forces engaged in Vietnam which was a factor in levels of unrest and resentment OTL.
Speaking personally I was somewhat prominent in that personally. Objecting to being treated as less than human from about the age of 13 onward. Not just in terms of voting rights but the general contempt displayed to people in that age range. True my view that I was a full adult at that age was probably somewhat off in hindsight but I could still argue that the young me was at least as responsible and thoughtful - my primary definition of adult - as most people older, both then and now.
Good point on 17 and interested to see what develops on 8, 11, 12, 19 & 25. Have to see what you come up with on 13.
In terms of point 21 the key issue was probably the following year. As I said I have a childish dislike of Revie and Leeds so that year finally settled on a permanent 2nd team and we ended up not only denying Leeds the title but winning the double. Mind you there is a far, far more important football result in 1970 that any club event but whether we can do it 3 times in a role, especially in Mexico, would be pushing it a lot.
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Steve, On youth voting, there may be a nominal argument, but it hasn't come up yet. Rather than having any substantive impact, it simply exists as it did for 16 and 17 year olds after the shift to 18. There aren't any drivers in universe for it. Objectively and OOC, there is nothing special about 18 that is different from 16, 17, 19 or 20 in experience or crucially in cognitive development. It is simply an arbitrary age used to signify adulthood because of the confluence of a few legal factors. From a cognitive view point, the generally understood notion that the (male in particular) brain does not finish developing until 23 does militate against giving all of the benefits of legal adulthood, ranging from consuming poisons to being eligible for execution to voting, to callow 18 year olds. At that age, they think they know everything whilst still not having higher order thinking skills or the physical capacity to judge risk. Setting aside that out of universe perspective, in Dark Earth 1969, it has been 50 years/2 generations since the extension of the suffrage to all men over 21; for WW1 veterans, it was those over 19. There wasn't a huge move for 18 year old voting then or after 1945. There aren't any drivers for it to come through in the late 1960s nor for it to cause any significant social disturbance. The sense of 'youthquake' mentioned here www.historyandpolicy.org/policy-papers/papers/the-last-milestone-on-the-journey-to-full-adult-suffrage simply doesn't cut through in the DE Britain of the 1960s, which has bigger fish to fry. There isn't any widespread use of teenage conscripts in Vietnam by British or Commonwealth armies and the much larger (2.4 million +) US contingent is largely older, as it was in @. www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/7825zd/in_world_war_ii_the_average_age_of_the_combat/US boys are called up at 18 for at least 24 months, but after initial training, they are just as often assigned to CONUS and USAREUR units as they are to forces in South East Asia and the Pacific. The mobilisation for Vietnam has involved the activation of National Guard and Reserve units as well as the creation of new, hostilities only formations. From a US military perspective, it makes more sense to send trained troops into combat than green ones straight out of boot camp and initial training. The effect of this is less cumulative sense of resentment; serving in what seems to be an opening prelude to World War Three isn't intrinsically more of an imposition than WW1 or WW2. Regarding the 1970 Soccer World Cup, I have some general ideas, but they aren't fully formed yet. England will have Duncan Edwards in his last World Cup alongside George Best and Bobby Charlton for a fairly decent midfield as far as I can see, but Brazil will have an extremely powerful and hungry side and Germany also has a point to prove. Simon
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June 6: The 25th anniversary of the D-Day landings in Normandy is marked by a solemn ceremony attended by Queen Elizabeth II, the Duke of London, Presidents Kennedy and Thompson, General Dwight D. Eisenhower and Field Marshal Montgomery. Over 50,000 troops, hundreds of vintage aircraft and dozens of wartime ships take part in the commemoration. June 7: Transfer of six Foxtrot class attack submarines from the Soviet Union to North Vietnam. June 8: Twelve members of a single family are killed in an apparent arson in Parkersburg, West Virginia. June 9: Spain closes its border with Gibraltar in the latest escalation of its long running claim on the British possession. June 10: In a swift response to the Spanish actions of the previous day, a squadron of four RAF aerodreadnoughts arrives over Gibraltar. June 11: French troops destroy a large Viet Cong underground base deep in the Mekong Delta. June 12: Completion of the Imperial Trans-Arctic Expedition, a trek entirely on foot from Alaska to Spitsbergen. June 13: USAF B-52s destroy two fighter airfields outside Hanoi using T-12 Cloudmaker demolition bombs as part of a heavy raid on the North Vietnamese capital. June 14: Explorers Thor Heyerdahl and Jacques Cousteau announce that their specialist bathyscaphe has succeeded in finding the underwater ruins of lost Atlantis deep beneath the Atlantic Ocean. June 15: Communist backed nationalist rebels in Portuguese East Africa claim to have effective control of over half of its provinces. June 16: The New York City mayoral primaries are won by incumbent Republican Mayor John Lindsay and Democratic scion Franklin D. Roosevelt Jr. June 17: England defeat the West Indies in the First Test at Old Trafford by 6 wickets, with dashing young opener the Honourable Peter Ratcliffe making an unbeaten 125 on debut and tearaway fast bowler Jack Shaw evoking memories of Frank Tyson in capturing 6/24 in the West Indies first innings. June 18: Two Albanian mountain villages are destroyed in a sudden stampede by thousands of frenzied goats. June 19: The opening session of the much awaited Comintern Congress in Moscow is disrupted by a mysterious mass food poisoning that sees hundreds of delegates hospitalised after consuming tainted caviar. June 20: Laying down of the first atomic powered super battleship of the Royal Canadian Navy in Halifax. June 21: French detectives break a ring of Union Corse drug smugglers attempting the import of three tons of heroin and opium into Marseille disguised as a shipment of chalk. This is the latest scheme foiled by the Surete after their earlier success in smashing the ‘Turkish Connection’ last year. June 22: A large oil slick on the Cuyahoga River in Cleveland ignites and catches fire, burning well into the night and destroying a number of bridges and riverside structures. The striking, high profile incident sparks a national debate on water pollution. June 23: 159 people are killed in a midair collisions between an Aeroflot Ilyushin Il-76 airliner and a Soviet Air Force Antonov An-12 near Moscow. June 24: Production begins on a conventionally armed long range variant of the Hawker-Siddeley Lance tactical ballistic missile, itself a licensed version of the American LTV MGM-52 Lance. This is the first stage of what has been dubbed within the War Office as 'The Missile Plan', a programme for the expansion of the British Army's tactical strike range beyond the battlefield. 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JuneJune 1: Investiture of Prince Charles as Prince of Wales by Queen Elizabeth II at Caernarvon Castle; the ceremony, consisting of the presentation of his magic sword and enchanted ring and crowning with the ancient Coronet of Wales, is watched by a global television audience of over 1 billion people. Is that the highest ever watch event so far.
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Post by simon darkshade on Mar 9, 2022 5:32:56 GMT
If it isn’t, then it is close to it, a sign of how television audiences and ownership has expanded. To get to half of that point, though, it only needs Britain, Canada, and the United States. It gets higher through the rest of the Commonwealth, a chunk of Europe and part of India. It is an estimate of the audience, it should be noted.
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Post by simon darkshade on Mar 10, 2022 15:58:09 GMT
July July 1: Beginning of Exercise Capricorn, a major Western Alliance air defence exercise over France, the British Isles and the Low Countries. July 2: Spain reopens her border with Gibraltar after the British airship presence is reinforced by a large force of the Mediterranean Fleet and the Royal Space Force battlecruiser Warspite partially reenters the atmosphere over Spain, causing significant alarm and dismay. Madrid issues a protest at the British action, but the significance of the gesture is duly considered. July 3: A powerful, sudden storm strikes Southern Michigan and Ohio, killing 42 people caught in the terrific winds and unnatural downpour. July 4: The United States defeats Canada in the First Test by one wicket in Philadelphia in an absolute thriller, with American captain Charlie McDonald hitting the last ball of the match for four to bring up his double century after leading the way to a record run chase of 9/425. The result sparks wild celebrations in the city still considered as the heartland and spiritual home of U.S. cricket. July 5: Rumours are reported in the highlands of Peru of a strange group claiming to be emissaries of the Incas visiting a number of villages high in the Andes. July 6: The Soviet spacecraft Kosmos begins its initial return burn towards Earth from the Saturnine system. Dreadnought continues her explorations and refueling prior to her next mission against the Space Nazis in the Asteroid Belt. July 7: British Army cooks and arcane gastronauts complete the arduous testing process for a new series of military rations. Twenty four improved ration pack variants are to be produced, each providing five meals and assorted additional accompaniments, designed to support a soldier in the field for one day. July 8: USAF stocks of nerve gas are accidentally released at Kadena Air Force Base on Okinawa in a mishap caused by unnecessary repainting. 36 people are injured, 4 seriously, and the major responsible is reassigned to Clipperton pending a formal investigation. July 9: Renowned Italian scientist Andrea Fratellini publishes a paper on alarming patterns of solar radiation, describing their potential effect on the Earth's climate and the potential for dramatic global cooling. July 10: The young King of Egypt appoints a new nationalist Prime Minister, Sayed Ahmed, under intense pressure from his ministers and military; Ahmed is considered to be somewhat more circumspect than his late predecessor, but still acceptable to the increasingly robust calls for Egyptian self-assertion. July 11: Two former USAF airmen are hanged for murder in Washington, with the warden flipping a coin to decide whether Aiken or Wheat went first. July 12: A flying carpet is accidentally activated in a Persian carpet salesman's emporium in Paris, completely wrecking the shop before escaping. It is recaptured later that evening in the Moulin Rouge, taking in a show in company with two ladies of dubious morality, and given a thorough beating upon its return to its owner. July 13: The United States Mint begins the issuing of new $500, $1000 and $5000 bills; the $10,000 has been withdrawn from circulation, ostensibly due to lack of use. July 14: El Salvadoran troops begin an invasion of Honduras, spearheaded by columns of tanks. A large bomber raid by B-27s escorted by F-4U Corsairs and F-47 Thunderbolts on the capital city of Tegucigalpa is intercepted by Honduran Air Force F-51 Mustangs and F-75 Eagles, leading to possibly the first and last major engagement between some of the most notable US fighters of the Second World War. The immediate cause of the conflict has been the rising tensions between the neighbouring Central American states which reached boiling point in a two leg World Cup qualifier. July 15: SAS observation teams confirm suspicions first raised by RAF reconnaissance flights that Indonesia has begun to substantially increase its troop presence in Central Borneo, thought to be in preparation for a resumption of the border conflict. July 16: Surrey boy Matthew Gore, known for his rescue his sister from a river whilst not knowing how to swim and his remarkable artistic talent, receives a special government bursary to a new programme for gifted children in Cambridge. July 17: After urgent US diplomacy involving State Department officials making numerous flights between El Salvador and Honduras and the movement of the battleship USS New Hampshire through the Panama Canal from Porto Rico, an uneasy American-brokered ceasefire is agreed upon, ending what is dubbed 'The Soccer War'. July 18: Nineteen children are swept away whilst wading in the Loire River near the village of Juigné-sur-Loire. July 19: British adventurer John Fairfax becomes the first man to row solo across the Atlantic Ocean, arriving in Florida in his special self-righting and self-bailing boat Britannia after a journey of 238 days. July 20: The USDA reports that the average cow size across all breeds is 2254lb, a rise of 25% in the last decade. July 21: British Prime Minister Stanley Barton gives a speech on the National Plan in Glasgow, outlining the challenge over the next three years, including a 24% increase in steel production, a 20% increase in coal output and a 15% increase in car production and shipbuilding, along with numerous benchmarks for cooperative success for both heavy and light industry. July 22: Fighting along the Liberty Line in Laos begins to die down as North Vietnamese supply lines, already constrained by the severing of the Ho Chi Minh Trail, are pushed to near breaking point by the heavy air interdiction campaign conducted by USAF and USN aircraft around the clock. July 23: Buckingham Palace announces the engagement of Prince Charles and Princess Victoria of Ruritania, causing an immediate flurry of attention by the media and general public alike. July 24: An article is published in The Lancet by ten leading US ophthalmologists predicting that within a generation, the therapeutic use of eyeglasses and corrective lenses will no longer be necessary due to the revolutionary advance of the 'Lucas Method', a painless and swift corrective eye surgery procedure involving a specially configured 'laser' first used to restore the sight of Californian youngster George Lucas. July 25: Quadripartite strategic arms talks between the United States, the Soviet Union, Britain and France open in Geneva. July 26: Nazi war criminal Josef Blösche is executed by guillotine in Leipzig for numerous crimes against humanity, having been identified as the German soldier featuring in an infamous photograph of the suppression of the Warsaw Ghetto. July 27: The Strategic War Plan Committee issues a report on proposed changes to US mobilisation programmes and the incorporation of new strategic airlift and sealift assets, stating that the long desired goal of '12 in 12', or the movement of 12 divisions across the Atlantic to Europe in the first twelve days after M-Day, will be reached by 1972. July 28: Dwarven diamond miners in the DeBeers mine in Kimberly, South Africa discover an enormous gem-quality rough diamond weighing over 10,000 carats. It is immediately presented to mine owner Sir James Rhodes for security purposes. July 29: Mexican private detectives probing a series of disappearances of young women in Mexico City uncover clues indicating the involvement of a foul, eldritch groups of occultists, the 'Cult of Cthulhu'. July 30: President Kennedy gives a speech in Manila on the complete determination of the United States and her allies in the Free World to protect every country in South East Asia from Communist aggression and expansionism, stating that 'the nations of the free do not seek to expand or aggrandize their rightful borders and eschew any and all aggression against their neighbours, but will stop at nothing in their defense, which is the defense of the light of liberty itself!' This is seen by some Western observers as the beginnings of a tacit olive branch to the Soviet Union and their North Vietnamese allies, setting out a potential roadmap to a conclusion of the war in Indochina. July 31: Pope Paul VI arrives in Kenya for the first leg of his African tour, becoming the first pontiff in modern times to set foot in the Dark Continent.
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