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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 27, 2021 7:42:57 GMT
Steve 1.) They are absolutely onto something; something happened in 1947 to kickstart some advanced technologies. 2.) Stratford/West Ham remains a strongly industrial area through the Victorian era and the steelworks is one facet of that; London remains a thriving industrial city, not one declining into a post industrial state. I should really do a little piece on London in General Discussion. 3.) They do, but this USSR is not the Brezhnev one. 4.) Considering their politics and their backers, they have a bee in their bonnet over the USA. 5.) Libya is independent; the Italians are simply very big backers/investors who negotiated their way to weapons testing site. Britain is the big foreign player in Libya, but doesn’t lack in desert sites of their own. 6.) You’ve hit upon both elements - transformational but problematic for some. However, coal is still a big slice of the economy for metallurgical production and thermal coal for export; power production in Britain has been a declining use of coal since the Second World War. Oil is a large sector, but not for power, but rather for automobiles, ships, aircraft and chemicals. 7.) He was most displease at this newfangled nonsense. 8.) It will not help it at all, even if the Crown Prince was utterly correct that a neo-nationalist course would end in disaster; Britain’s position in the Middle East has not so declined from 1956 as to make them vulnerable nor are they lacking in will or ruthlessness. 9.) They are indeed. Lalabala died at the Battle of Mirbat in Oman in 1972, single-handedly firing a 25pdr; Bodie is Lewis Collins’ character from The Professionals; Jackson commanded British forces in Kosovo; Skellen is Lewis Collins’ character from Who Dares Wins and Dempsey is Miles Anderson’s character from Ultimate Force. 10.) It is very likely to go to NYC for the US Bicentenniary. 11.) Simply that the other ships will be moving on to other moons prior to heading home. Nothing nasty. 12.) “Thank you, Your Majesty. Thank you very much.” 13.) I wonder who you could mean?  14.) It isn’t an Andromeda Strain or anything like that, but when Earthly influenza is cured, what else can throw a spanner in the works? |
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Post by stevep on Dec 27, 2021 11:30:31 GMT
Steve 1.) They are absolutely onto something; something happened in 1947 to kickstart some advanced technologies. 2.) Stratford/West Ham remains a strongly industrial area through the Victorian era and the steelworks is one facet of that; London remains a thriving industrial city, not one declining into a post industrial state. I should really do a little piece on London in General Discussion. 3.) They do, but this USSR is not the Brezhnev one. 4.) Considering their politics and their backers, they have a bee in their bonnet over the USA. 5.) Libya is independent; the Italians are simply very big backers/investors who negotiated their way to weapons testing site. Britain is the big foreign player in Libya, but doesn’t lack in desert sites of their own. 6.) You’ve hit upon both elements - transformational but problematic for some. However, coal is still a big slice of the economy for metallurgical production and thermal coal for export; power production in Britain has been a declining use of coal since the Second World War. Oil is a large sector, but not for power, but rather for automobiles, ships, aircraft and chemicals. 7.) He was most displease at this newfangled nonsense. 8.) It will not help it at all, even if the Crown Prince was utterly correct that a neo-nationalist course would end in disaster; Britain’s position in the Middle East has not so declined from 1956 as to make them vulnerable nor are they lacking in will or ruthlessness. 9.) They are indeed. Lalabala died at the Battle of Mirbat in Oman in 1972, single-handedly firing a 25pdr; Bodie is Lewis Collins’ character from The Professionals; Jackson commanded British forces in Kosovo; Skellen is Lewis Collins’ character from Who Dares Wins and Dempsey is Miles Anderson’s character from Ultimate Force. 10.) It is very likely to go to NYC for the US Bicentenniary. 11.) Simply that the other ships will be moving on to other moons prior to heading home. Nothing nasty. 12.) “Thank you, Your Majesty. Thank you very much.” 13.) I wonder who you could mean? 14.) It isn’t an Andromeda Strain or anything like that, but when Earthly influenza is cured, what else can throw a spanner in the works?
1) Is that something your mentioned before please? I do recall a mission to pick up some items that we ended up sharing with a US group who arrived at the same time but from what I can recall that was more mystic items than technological ones. Albeit there is the clear possibility of interaction between the two fields.
5) Ah so the Italians did lose their empire. Would fit as a defeated power in WWII.
10) Must admit I didn't think of that. Rather surprised thinking about it that it didn't happen here.
Steve
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 27, 2021 16:20:41 GMT
Steve,
1.) I’ve alluded to it, but not written it up or unveiled it ‘in universe’. It is something to do with Roswell.
5.) They lose Libya, Eritrea and Somaliland, coming out as the big colonial loser of the war. Mussolini is still kicking himself in his South American refuge.
10.) In @, LA was the American contender, but they’ve already had it in 1932. It struck me as an opening for something different and thematically interesting without being outlandish.
Simon
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Post by lordroel on Dec 28, 2021 4:47:18 GMT
November 10: 118 US Redstone missiles are launched from bases in Thailand to strike air defence targets in North Vietnam in a night of exceptionally heavy bombardment. In contrast to previous rocket attacks have been, their mass use here is intended to identify new North Vietnamese radar systems and communication nets as well as damage fighter bases and SAM sites. So that those North Vietnamese radar systems and communication nets can be targeted in a next strike. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 28, 2021 5:29:45 GMT
Quite naturally. Getting the enemy to light up their radars is the first step to mapping out their system. NV has built up quite a multilayered one with Soviet help.
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 28, 2021 15:47:44 GMT
1968 Statistics
1968/69 Largest GDPs
1.) USA $9,557,167,079,640 (+ 6.9%)
2.) USSR $4,160,388,058,835 (+ 8.4%)
3.) Germany $3,664,779,796,859 (+ 7.4%)
4.) Britain $3,533,814,229,823 (+ 6.02%)
5.) Japan $2,918,389,790,547 (+ 12.5%)
6.) France $1,937,463,978,593 (+ 5.8%)
7.) India $1,877,950,248,326 (+ 6.55%)
8.) China $1,745,396,237,197 (+ 4.96%)
9.) Canada $1,739,000,821,701 (+ 8.6%)
10.) Italy $1,327,585,782,321(+ 8.97%)
11.) Austria-Hungary $1,041,723,088,145 (+ 7.32%)
1968/69 Population
1.) China: 932,144,475
2.) India: 658,809,546
3.) Soviet Union: 370,029,346
4.) USA: 324,589,125
5.) Japan: 250,968,236
6.) Indonesia: 226,547,293
7.) Germany: 187,329,995
8.) Brazil: 151,568,400
9.) France: 140,111,184
10.) Britain: 134,645,456
11.) Mexico: 133,256,377
12.) Austria-Hungary: 122,564,740
1968/69 Share of World Industrial Output
1.) USA: 24.7%
2.) Soviet Union: 12.2%
3.) Japan: 10.8%
4.) Germany: 10.6%
5.) China: 7.5%
6.) Britain: 6.4%
7.) India 4.9%
8.) France: 4.1%
9.) Italy: 3.7%
10.) Canada: 3.6%
11.) Austria-Hungary: 3%
Steel Production 1968/69 (millions of tons)
1.) USSR 179
2.) USA 175
3.) Japan 113
4.) Germany 90
5.) China: 72
6.) Britain 64
7.) AH: 56
8.) Poland 52
9.) India 50
10.) Canada 42
11.) France: 40
Coal Production 1968 (millions of tons)
1.) USSR: 654
2.) USA: 603
3.) China: 529
4.) Germany: 459
5.) Britain: 384
6.) Poland: 379
7.) India: 293
8.) Austria-Hungary: 272
9.) France: 208
10.) South Africa: 163
11.) Canada: 140
Automobile Production 1968
1.) USA: 12,087,525
2.) Japan: 5,930,232
3.) Germany: 5,565,523
4.) USSR: 4,125,474
5.) Britain: 3,254,598
6.) France: 3,068,376
7.) Italy: 2,761,092
8.) Canada: 2,508,964
9.) China: 2,111,390
10.) Austria-Hungary: 1,802,335
11.) Spain: 1,556,492
Merchant Shipbuilding 1968
1.) Japan: 6,038,569 tons
2.) USA: 5,248,476 tons
3.) Britain: 4,329,987 tons
4.) Germany: 2,925,744 tons
5.) USSR: 2,317,050 tons
6.) China: 1,960,182 tons
7.) Italy: 1,675,532 tons
8.) France: 1,223,854 tons
Aircraft Production 1968
1.) USA: 5236
2.) USSR: 5098
3.) China: 3294
4.) Britain: 2987
5.) Germany: 1845
6.) France: 1721
7.) Japan: 1458
8.) India: 1017
9.) Canada: 812
10.) Italy: 705
11.) Austria-Hungary: 624
Tank Production 1968
1.) USSR: 9031
2.) USA: 5594
3.) China: 3756
4.) Britain: 2995
5.) Germany: 2428
6.) France: 1995
7.) Japan: 1740
8.) Italy: 1675
9.) Austria-Hungary: 1490
10.) India: 1286
11.) Sweden: 927
Early by one month, but I felt in a statistical mood.
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Post by lordroel on Dec 28, 2021 15:52:53 GMT
1968 Statistics1968/69 Largest GDPs1.) USA $9,557,167,079,640 (+ 6.9%) 2.) USSR $4,160,388,058,835 (+ 8.4%) 3.) Germany $3,664,779,796,859 (+ 7.4%) 4.) Britain $3,533,814,229,823 (+ 6.02%) 5.) Japan $2,918,389,790,547 (+ 12.5%) 6.) France $1,937,463,978,593 (+ 5.8%) 7.) India $1,877,950,248,326 (+ 6.55%) 8.) China $1,745,396,237,197 (+ 4.96%) 9.) Canada $1,739,000,821,701 (+ 8.6%) 10.) Italy $1,327,585,782,321(+ 8.97%) 11.) Austria-Hungary $1,041,723,088,145 (+ 7.32%) 1968/69 Population1.) China: 932,144,475 2.) India: 658,809,546 3.) Soviet Union: 370,029,346 4.) USA: 324,589,125 5.) Japan: 250,968,236 6.) Indonesia: 226,547,293 7.) Germany: 187,329,995 8.) Brazil: 151,568,400 9.) France: 140,111,184 10.) Britain: 134,645,456 11.) Mexico: 133,256,377 12.) Austria-Hungary: 122,564,740 1968/69 Share of World Industrial Output1.) USA: 24.7% 2.) Soviet Union: 12.2% 3.) Japan: 10.8% 4.) Germany: 10.6% 5.) China: 7.5% 6.) Britain: 6.4% 7.) India 4.9% 8.) France: 4.1% 9.) Italy: 3.7% 10.) Canada: 3.6% 11.) Austria-Hungary: 3% Steel Production 1968/69 (millions of tons) 1.) USSR 179 2.) USA 175 3.) Japan 113 4.) Germany 90 5.) China: 72 6.) Britain 64 7.) AH: 56 8.) Poland 52 9.) India 50 10.) Canada 42 11.) France: 40 Coal Production 1968 (millions of tons)1.) USSR: 654 2.) USA: 603 3.) China: 529 4.) Germany: 459 5.) Britain: 384 6.) Poland: 379 7.) India: 293 8.) Austria-Hungary: 272 9.) France: 208 10.) South Africa: 163 11.) Canada: 140 Automobile Production 19681.) USA: 12,087,525 2.) Japan: 5,930,232 3.) Germany: 5,565,523 4.) USSR: 4,125,474 5.) Britain: 3,254,598 6.) France: 3,068,376 7.) Italy: 2,761,092 8.) Canada: 2,508,964 9.) China: 2,111,390 10.) Austria-Hungary: 1,802,335 11.) Spain: 1,556,492 Merchant Shipbuilding 19681.) Japan: 6,038,569 tons 2.) USA: 5,248,476 tons 3.) Britain: 4,329,987 tons 4.) Germany: 2,925,744 tons 5.) USSR: 2,317,050 tons 6.) China: 1,960,182 tons 7.) Italy: 1,675,532 tons 8.) France: 1,223,854 tons Aircraft Production 19681.) USA: 5236 2.) USSR: 5098 3.) China: 3294 4.) Britain: 2987 5.) Germany: 1845 6.) France: 1721 7.) Japan: 1458 8.) India: 1017 9.) Canada: 812 10.) Italy: 705 11.) Austria-Hungary: 624 Tank Production 19681.) USSR: 9031 2.) USA: 5594 3.) China: 3756 4.) Britain: 2995 5.) Germany: 2428 6.) France: 1995 7.) Japan: 1740 8.) Italy: 1675 9.) Austria-Hungary: 1490 10.) India: 1286 11.) Sweden: 927 Early by one month, but I felt in a statistical mood. So when will China hit the 1 billion mark in population. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 28, 2021 16:14:37 GMT
Without war or a famine, around 1972.
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Post by lordroel on Dec 28, 2021 16:25:51 GMT
Without war or a famine, around 1972. Well there is not Great Leap Forward in the Darkearth verse as far as i know which might in the past have slowed things down. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 28, 2021 16:28:07 GMT
Exactly. Steve and I discussed Chinese population trends in a previous year. However, the absence of a GLF doesn’t mean that the Empire of China is famine proof…
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 30, 2021 17:02:13 GMT
December
December 1: The Dow Jones Industrial Average records its highest daily average for the year with 1893.62.
December 2: Hundreds of witnesses report seeing a bright light coursing across the sky in Central Indiana, culminating in a large crash on the western outskirts of Indianapolis. The crash site is rapidly secured by US military forces and unspecified government officials.
December 3: Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg sign the Treaty of Brussels, establishing a full economic and monetary union between the Benelux states.
December 4: The French franc is devalued by 25% to a flat exchange rate of 5 francs to the dollar.
December 5: Formation of the Hong Kong Division, an administrative command of all British and Imperial land forces in the Crown Colony.
December 6: US medical researchers begin testing a cure for diabetes in humans following successful preliminary tests.
December 7: The Emperor of Brazil signs a decree imposing martial law on several provinces.
December 8: Project Schooner, a peaceful nuclear explosion carried out under the broader Project Plowshare releases an unexpectedly large amount of radiation, contaminating a carnival train en route to Las Vegas and a local mail courier of the New Vegas Express Company; US military officials swiftly place them in confinement for specialist treatment.
December 9: CBS’s news magazine flagship, 60 Minutes runs a special report on The Tomorrow Children, an exploration of the recent phenomenon of children with extraordinary special powers and abilities around the world.
December 10: Armed robbers in Tokyo ambush an armoured car delivering cash and escape with over 500 million yen.
December 11: Newly re-elected President Kennedy’s releases the changes to his Cabinet, with John Kenneth Galbraith nominated for Secretary of Health,Welfare and Education, Bruce Wayne as Secretary of Defense and Reverend Martin Luther King as Secretary for Housing, Urban Development and Social Equity.
December 12: Filming begins of a new BBC military series on board the nuclear aircraft carrier HMS Ark Royal, with the 26 episode season to record her cruise of the North Atlantic and Mediterranean prior to her deployment to the Far Eastern Fleet for combat operations off South Vietnam.
December 13: First general public release of the US Government’s annual Soviet Military Power report. It is notable for its declaration that the Soviet Armed Forces are at their highest level of strength since 1945 and very detailed assessments of new Eastern Bloc weapons systems. It’s sister publication, Imperial Chinese Military Power, remains classified.
December 14: SAS, Iberia, Alitalia and KLM announce large orders for Concord supersonic airliners.
December 15: Six USN battleships conduct a long range bombardment of North Vietnam, the largest such assembly of capital ships on a single mission since the Second World War.
December 16: The King of Spain and the Pope formally order the revocation of the Alhambra Decree of 1492.
December 17: Mary Bell and Norma Bell are found guilty of murder and manslaughter respectively. The latter is sentenced to be detained at Her Majesty’s pleasure, but the former receives the sole sentence prescribed for multiple murders of children, death by hanging. Mr. Justice Cusack gives a recommendation for mercy given her age.
December 18: Former Scotland Yard Commissioner Sir Christopher Foyle and the current Commissioner Sir Frank Burnside inadvertently foil an attempted robbery of the Royal Mint whilst filming a BBC special.
December 19: President John F. Kennedy announces that he will be nominating Supreme Court Justice Richard Nixon for the position of Chief Justice of the United States. This is seen by many as a political manoeuvre to further the growing Republican split, but is actually driven by judicial political strategy to create a vacancy and repayment of complex favours that delivered the traditionally Republican heartland of California to the Democrats in the recent election.
December 20: The Bulgarian Orthodox Church announces a shift in the date of Christmas to December 25-27 from January 7th. Spokeselves for Father Christmas express a quiet sense of relief.
December 21: British Chancellor Denis Healey announces a surprise income tax cut as part of a special Christmas budgetary statement, additionally stating that the government’s plan to pay off the national debt will be achieved by 1971.
December 22: NASA announces that Orion 5 will begin its return voyage to Earth in early 1969.
December 23: Completion of the Yangtze River Bridge in Nanking, finally linking Shanghai and Peking by rail.
December 24: An incredibly daring joint special operation by United States Army Special Forces, the new Delta Force and Navy SEALs commanded by Colonel Charles Beckwith simultaneously raids three North Vietnamese POW camps around Hanoi, freeing 156 prisoners and flying them to safety in hitherto top secret supersonic VTOL transports and Jolly Green Giant rotodynes. The raids are coordinated with precision airstrikes by USAF and USN F-111s on high value targets in Hanoi using new laser guided bombs and strike missiles. 3 SEALs, 2 Delta Force operators and 2 Green Berets are killed in the raids and a number of recommendations for decorations are made. As a result of Operation White Christmas, Marshal Stepin Berkoff, commander of the Group of Soviet Forces in North Vietnam, has the remaining US POWs taken into Soviet custody.
December 25: Queen Elizabeth II makes her traditional Christmas broadcast to the Empire and Commonwealth, emphasising the centrality of peace, family and love and the eternal promise of the hope and joy of Christmas.
December 26: US Marines begin a buildup along the Cambodian border with South Vietnam.
December 27: Chinese and Soviet border troops clash along the Amur frontier.
December 28: Unveiling of the first prototype of a new RAF ‘Super ICBM’, a long range heavyweight missile intended to augment the Blue Streak force.
December 29: A special team of Interpol detectives successfully locate the infamous ‘Grand Animal Snatcher’ in the Black Forest and free his captives, including Boterbloem the cow, who has a joyously tearful reunion with her owner hours later.
December 30: Uganda and Tanganyika are granted internal self government within the British Empire, the first major step towards independence as Commonwealth Dominions.
December 31: Soviet seismic monitors indicate an underground nuclear explosion in Japan.
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Post by lordroel on Dec 30, 2021 19:51:01 GMT
DecemberDecember 2: Hundreds of witnesses report seeing a bright light coursing across the sky in Central Indiana, culminating in a large crash on the western outskirts of Indianapolis. The crash site is rapidly secured by US military forces and unspecified government officials. So Roswell 2.0. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 30, 2021 20:26:17 GMT
It is rather larger than that.
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Post by lordroel on Dec 30, 2021 20:36:17 GMT
It is rather larger than that. So is MIB involved in this as well. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 30, 2021 20:58:09 GMT
This is beyond a mere “Nothing to see here” and mass use of memory spells. It is a major city.
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