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Post by simon darkshade on Sept 11, 2020 15:55:20 GMT
Simply a case of border troops on both sides getting anxious due to a heightened state of alert put in place due to the situation in Vietnam. Neither side won and it did not approach the level of the Sino-Soviet border conflict of 1969 from @ as of yet.
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Post by lordroel on Sept 11, 2020 16:05:55 GMT
Simply a case of border troops on both sides getting anxious due to a heightened state of alert put in place due to the situation in Vietnam. Neither side won and it did not approach the level of the Sino-Soviet border conflict of 1969 from @ as of yet. But the Chinese could have out gunned the Koreans if they wanted to. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Sept 11, 2020 16:16:57 GMT
Most assuredly. However, it was a localised incident and one controlled by regional generals on both sides once they became aware of it. The Yalu River border is very heavily defended on both sides, so anything short of a full on assault would not break through. Given that there are nuclear armed US forces in Korea and that China has its own growing array of nuclear weapons, any such escalation would not be at all advisable for either party and they know it.
The US aircraft and missiles are all based in the former South Korea due to some backchannel agreements with China and there is no longer a US ground force presence in Korea. Early 1960s plans for a concentration of forward based troops from US Army Pacific in Japan/Eighth Army have been somewhat disrupted by the Vietnam War, which by 1966 has seen the deployment of the 15th and 21st Infantry Divisions to Vietnam, replaced by the USARNG 40th Infantry Division.
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Post by lordroel on Sept 11, 2020 16:21:36 GMT
The US aircraft and missiles are all based in the former South Korea due to some backchannel agreements with China and there is no longer a US ground force presence in Korea. So a 38th parallel agreement of some sorts where the USwill have no nuclear weapons deployed above it. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Sept 11, 2020 16:32:51 GMT
Furthermore to that, a list of US divisions in Vietnam as of the end of 1966:
I Field Force
1st Cavalry Division
17th Airborne Division
23rd 'Americal' Infantry Division
29th Infantry Division, USARNG
II Field Force
21st Infantry Division
25th Infantry Division
36th Infantry Division, USARNG
101st Airborne Division
III Field Force
15th Infantry Division
19th Infantry Division
43rd Infantry Division, USARNG
90th Infantry Division, USAR
III Marine Amphibious Force
1st Marine Division
3rd Marine Division
1st Marine Raider Brigade
9th Marine Amphibious Brigade
24th Marine Amphibious Brigade (Provisional)
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Post by simon darkshade on Sept 11, 2020 16:36:34 GMT
The US aircraft and missiles are all based in the former South Korea due to some backchannel agreements with China and there is no longer a US ground force presence in Korea. So a 38th parallel agreement of some sorts where the US will have no nuclear weapons deployed above it. Yes, that is exactly the type of arrangement entered into at the end of the Korean War, along with restrictions on Korea possessing long range missiles, nuclear/chemical/biological weapons and a few other such systems. |
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Post by lordroel on Sept 11, 2020 16:40:44 GMT
So a 38th parallel agreement of some sorts where the US will have no nuclear weapons deployed above it. Yes, that is exactly the type of arrangement entered into at the end of the Korean War, along with restrictions on Korea possessing long range missiles, nuclear/chemical/biological weapons and a few other such systems. Sounds like Japan of OTL to me. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Sept 11, 2020 16:46:41 GMT
That was definitely an influence on what I was thinking when I put together the endgame of the Korean War. Whilst it is a definitive Allied victory, the Soviets and Chinese did have a fair few cards left to play. As such, there was some room for compromise to try and avoid a full-on escalation to WW3. The US does not feel as if it is substantially limited by not deploying forces or nuclear weapons in Northern Korea, so it was a concession that did not bite too hard.
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Post by lordroel on Sept 11, 2020 17:11:12 GMT
Furthermore to that, a list of US divisions in Vietnam as of the end of 1966: I Field Force1st Cavalry Division 17th Airborne Division 23rd 'Americal' Infantry Division 29th Infantry Division, USARNG II Field Force21st Infantry Division 25th Infantry Division 36th Infantry Division, USARNG 101st Airborne Division III Field Force15th Infantry Division 19th Infantry Division 43rd Infantry Division, USARNG 90th Infantry Division, USAR III Marine Amphibious Force1st Marine Division 3rd Marine Division 1st Marine Raider Brigade 9th Marine Amphibious Brigade 24th Marine Amphibious Brigade (Provisional) Has Australia ore the United Kingdom also got some forces there as part of a Commonwealth presence. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Sept 11, 2020 17:21:25 GMT
Not anymore. There was a residual Commonwealth division present until 1961, but it was a victim of shifts in force structure and deployments. Commonwealth forces there consisted of a British brigade drawn from the Imperial Strategic Reserve, a Canadian brigade, an Anzac brigade, an Indian brigade and an African brigade. These forces were mostly repurposed into the Commonwealth Divisions.
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Post by lordroel on Sept 11, 2020 17:45:30 GMT
1966March 7: Death of famous Marxist Leon Trotsky in Brazil at the age of 87. As you mentioned already in a previous post in this thread that the Soviet Union does not eliminate people anymore, I assume he has died of old age. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Sept 11, 2020 17:51:23 GMT
Yes, Trotsky died of old age, after having been under the protection of the eccentric Emperor of Brazil for many years. The juxtaposition between his politics and being protected by a mad emperor was too delicious not to use. It had the side effect of really messing with Brazilian politics.
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Post by lordroel on Sept 11, 2020 17:56:04 GMT
Yes, Trotsky died of old age, after having been under the protection of the eccentric Emperor of Brazil for many years. The juxtaposition between his politics and being protected by a mad emperor was too delicious not to use. It had the side effect of really messing with Brazilian politics. Wait a mad emperor, no communist uprising in Brazil. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Sept 11, 2020 18:02:45 GMT
There was a mad Emperor of Brazil, who felt some sympathies to Trotskyism, a right wing nobility, a faction around Vargas including the military, social democrats and the Trots. Plus some semi-fascist Integralists to boot.
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Post by lordroel on Sept 11, 2020 18:13:11 GMT
There was a mad Emperor of Brazil, who felt some sympathies to Trotskyism, a right wing nobility, a faction around Vargas including the military, social democrats and the Trots. Plus some semi-fascist Integralists to boot. And Brazil is still a monarchy, it took less than that to topple the OTL Brazilian emperor if I am right. |
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