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Post by lordroel on Jul 29, 2018 9:30:11 GMT
It is a high quality tank that costs more than the M60 and is set to get a fair few more foreign orders. I assumes that Israel, India and Sweden will build their own licences version of the Chieftain.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jul 29, 2018 9:47:39 GMT
That is correct. There will be other potential markets in South America and perhaps the Middle East.
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Post by lordroel on Jul 29, 2018 9:49:56 GMT
That is correct. There will be other potential markets in South America and perhaps the Middle East. Like Brazil, ore do they prefer United states hardware.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jul 29, 2018 9:59:48 GMT
The Brazilians are an interesting case, but they will be looking to making large purchases through the 1960s. Their relations with the USA are mixed, but sound.
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Post by lordroel on Jul 29, 2018 10:01:35 GMT
The Brazilians are an interesting case, but they will be looking to making large purchases through the 1960s. Their relations with the USA are mixed, but sound. Could be that they look to the Germans, but the Germans are prohibited from selling tanks, does this also include license production.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jul 29, 2018 10:03:53 GMT
They are currently, but this is going to be lifted in a number of years if the Germans get their way. They will enter the market just at an interesting stage of the 1960s.
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Post by stevep on Jul 29, 2018 10:23:08 GMT
Sdarkshade Replying on US armour chapters, before I forget too much or read the British post-war bit. A) I'm glad to see the Sherman avoided it OTL problem of brewing up so easily, hence its unpleasant nicknames in British service. Also saving a lot of tankers lives in all the armies that used it. B) From the mention of the US advance in the Pacific starting from Fiji does that mean the Japanese were a bit more successful in the S Pacific and took those islands? C) Loved the comment about the gremlin. Presumably part of Britain's reverse lend-lease programme. D) Puzzled as to why the fighting in N Africa was so similar to OTL with French N Africa being Free-French. Would have thought this would mean the quick fall of Libya as its main port, Tripoli, is so near French Tunisia which would supply an ideal base for attacking Libya, especially since supply it from Britain would be a lot easier than supplying forces to Egypt via the Cape? Also with Tunisia especially in allied hands and the French fleet, or much of it, available supplying Libya from Italy would be a hell of a lot harder for the Axis. Even with Spain being occupied by the Nazis at some stage.
E) Notice also the mention that Operation Olympus occurred so obviously Japan didn't surrender early enough to avoid that.
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Post by stevep on Jul 29, 2018 10:46:18 GMT
sdarkshade Comments on the British post-war tank development and production.
A) - Is MBCR a darkverse version of ABC? Guessing its stands for protection against Magic, Bacteriological, Chemical and Radiation [i.e. nuclear] attack?
B) - Given there's a reference to the "East India Company" having its own tanks post-war that suggests it still survives as not just a commercial company but also a political/military force into this time period? Where would this be as I would think any presence in India would be deeply unpopular once those .
C) - Surprised that something as heavy as a Centurion would be practical in the jungle, or pretty much anything other than the lightest tanks. Think a lot of the mobility OTL was via paras and helicopter use.
D) - Is the armour on the Chieftain an early development of Chobham armour? Sounds like a very, very formidable tank. Given the greater market produced by the enlarged Empire/Commonwealth, the greater degree of militarisation and also the greater influence of Britain I can see a lot being produced.
E) - While Germany has effectively been neutralised what is the status of Austria-Hungary? Is it also neutral or is it involved in whatever NATO equivalent presumably exists?
F) - Notice that the reference to the 1956 war, as well as mentioning successes from Egypt east to Persia also says tanks were deployed across Europe as well. If its not giving too much away did this involve combat in Europe or just moves to deter a feared Soviet attack.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jul 29, 2018 10:48:00 GMT
- The Shermans do not get their rather unfortunate nicknames and serve their many forces very well. - Japan gets as far as the New Hebrides, with the Americans and Commonwealth launching their South Pacific offensives from Fiji, New Caledonia/Bensalem, New Zealand and Australia. - The gremlins play their part. - The Free French fight a very, very broken-backed war. They lack the ability to do more than defend the Mareth Line in the ~24 months between the Fall of France and the end of the North African campaign, whilst Italian and German air raids from Sicily are quite the nuisance. Algeria and Tunisia lack the transport networks, infrastructure and ports to support a British Empire field army; Egypt has all three in spades. The Marine Royale is a big factor, but the Allies are stretched by the demands of the Peninsular Campaign, the Regia Marina, Austro-Hungarians and the German Mediterranean Squadron in the centre of the Med and the Turks in the Eastern Med. - Japan surrendered after the combination of Olympic, the Soviet invasion of Manchuria and four atomic bombs. - MBCR is the equivalent of NBC - The East India Company is a very complex organisation, retaining much of its paramilitary capability. Its role in India is very much in the background as an investor, owner of infrastructure, mines, oil fields and subsidiary companies. It has a more overt role in Burma, Borneo, Malaya, Siam and Indochina. - The Centurions were employed in Vietnam in @ by the Australians; their use in Malaya is symptomatic of their ubiquity. - It is an early version of Chobham armour, with a fantastic twist. It is a very formidable tank and will be produced in large numbers. - Austria-Hungary is within the general Western defence orbit, as is Germany; the circumstances of both will come out in the Timeline and Never Had it So Good. - The deployments to Europe in 1956 were as a deterrent and did not go into action Excellent questions that are interesting to answer. Regards, Simon
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Post by lordroel on Jul 29, 2018 10:51:28 GMT
- The gremlins play their part. Are these Gremlins the same as The Gremlins of the Roald Dahl book.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jul 29, 2018 10:55:32 GMT
They are similar in some regards, but can vary in their malevolence.
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Post by stevep on Jul 29, 2018 11:01:01 GMT
- The Shermans do not get their rather unfortunate nicknames and serve their many forces very well. - Japan gets as far as the New Hebrides, with the Americans and Commonwealth launching their South Pacific offensives from Fiji, New Caledonia/Bensalem, New Zealand and Australia. - The gremlins play their part. - The Free French fight a very, very broken-backed war. They lack the ability to do more than defend the Mareth Line in the ~24 months between the Fall of France and the end of the North African campaign, whilst Italian and German air raids from Sicily are quite the nuisance. Algeria and Tunisia lack the transport networks, infrastructure and ports to support a British Empire field army; Egypt has all three in spades. The Marine Royale is a big factor, but the Allies are stretched by the demands of the Peninsular Campaign, the Regia Marina, Austro-Hungarians and the German Mediterranean Squadron in the centre of the Med and the Turks in the Eastern Med. - Japan surrendered after the combination of Olympic, the Soviet invasion of Manchuria and four atomic bombs.- MBCR is the equivalent of NBC - The East India Company is a very complex organisation, retaining much of its paramilitary capability. Its role in India is very much in the background as an investor, owner of infrastructure, mines, oil fields and subsidiary companies. It has a more overt role in Burma, Borneo, Malaya, Siam and Indochina. - The Centurions were employed in Vietnam in @ by the Australians; their use in Malaya is symptomatic of their ubiquity. - It is an early version of Chobham armour, with a fantastic twist. It is a very formidable tank and will be produced in large numbers. - Austria-Hungary is within the general Western defence orbit, as is Germany; the circumstances of both will come out in the Timeline and Never Had it So Good. - The deployments to Europe in 1956 were as a deterrent and did not go into action Excellent questions that are interesting to answer. Regards, Simon
Many thanks for the quick and detailed responses. Glad to hear that 56 didn't see major conflict in Europe but 45 sounds a very bad year for Japan.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jul 29, 2018 11:10:00 GMT
It wasn't a particularly good time, even if one of the atom bombs, delivered by an RAF Avro York, was on the headquarters of Unit 731 in Pingfang, Manchuria.
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Post by lordroel on Jul 29, 2018 11:11:17 GMT
It wasn't a particularly good time, even if one of the atom bombs, delivered by an RAF Avro York, was on the headquarters of Unit 731 in Pingfang, Manchuria. I assume the nuclear blast prevented any outbreak of whatever Unit 731 had stored.
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Post by simon darkshade on Jul 29, 2018 11:18:15 GMT
It did so very effectively, as well as preventing the Soviets from capturing Japanese biowar stocks.
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